[Serious] Male depression

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Originally Posted by Andrew G

So...adding drugs complicates the problem, therapy works for these people (hence treating the problem?), depression can't be cured

Unless I missed something else, which seems likely since its 5am here and i need sleep...

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Depression can be treated, it can't be cured - because, as I've repeated a couple of times, it's the natural course of life. We have ups, we have downs. Sometimes you're down for awhile, sometimes it's even a couple of years. "Treating" depression with drugs is only instilling an addiction to take the edge off.

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Originally Posted by bm

I think he nailed down your position exactly and that position is that:
A) The drug companies and doctors conspire to trick people into thinking they're sick
B) Then they prescribe drugs that cause more harm than good so that they can make more money
Did I get this wrong or are you ready to jump the couch now Mr. Cruise?

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You would be right had he said anything remotely close to what you just listed.

Also - you can call me Tom all you want. It just worries me that a basket case like him can understand this, but the general consensus of the population can't even begin to grasp it.

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Originally Posted by sevenhalo

Also - you can call me Tom all you want. It just worries me that a basket case like him can understand this, but the general consensus of the population can't even begin to grasp it.

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On Monday, June 27, 2005, the American Psychiatric Assocation released a statement that stated the following: "It is irresponsible for Mr. Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views and deter people with mental illness from getting the care they need...Rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research clearly demonstrates that treatment (of mental illness) works...It is unfortunate that in the face of this remarkable scientific and clinical progress that a small number of individuals and groups persist in questioning its legitimacy."

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So, where is your rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research?

Hell, I can give you "rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research" for reasons to pick up smoking. The tobacco industry had entire scientific institutes working around the clock weighing out the cons with pros.

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Originally Posted by sevenhalo

Hell, I can give you "rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research" for reasons to pick up smoking. The tobacco industry had entire scientific institutes working around the clock weighing out the cons with pros.

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So it's an eeeeevil conspiracy right? :rolleyes:

No, just how corporations work. If you don't CYA, no one else will.

And with the average citizen as impressionable as they are, all company A has to do is say company B has cooties and if company B can't prove otherwise - everyone starts to hate company B. Having a "research" department on hand tends to help sway the consumers, much like lawyers and lobbyists used to.

It holds true yet again... a person may be smart, but people as a whole are dumb, ignorant, and gullible.

Depression is often phrased in the same breath as ME; people like to believe it's a woolly condition that means "I feel sad". But in reality it is a sliding scale; there's "having one of life's downs", there's teenage angst and there are varying degrees of clinical depression, all the way up to manic (bipolar).


Treating clinical depression with drugs is not instilling an addiction to take the edge off. It is redressing the chemical imbalance that is present in the central nervous system due to the pineal gland not producing enough seratonin.
It is certainly true that certain activities (such as exercise) are known to improve seratonin production, and a managed diet (particularly with omega-3 and vitamin C) can also help. In mild cases, this can be enough. However, anti-depressants work in a slightly different way, effectively by blocking the reabsorption of seratonin. They aren't nice drugs and carry the risk of serious side effects, but sometimes it's the only way to treat a condition. You can't slap somebody in the face and say "Grow up, your life will get better soon". It isn't a state of mind; it's actually a bodily defect in the same way that hypothyroidism is due to a problem with the thyroid gland or Type I diabetes is due to a defective pancreas.

Just because it affects the mind doesn't mean that it is a mental problem.

Seven is banned. It wouldn't have happened if he took those drugs.



I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by kregg

Seven is banned. It wouldn't have happened if he took those drugs.



I'm sorry.

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For gods sake let it go. You're embarassing yourself.

Hehe... drugs....

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Originally Posted by penagate

For gods sake let it go. You're embarassing yourself.

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You sound like I am new to embarrassment...