India State Opposes Microsoft "Monopoly"

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Originally Posted by honeybee

Clean pools? In the place where an IT admin gets $300, a pool cleaner would probably end up with $10 or so. Do the math please before switching :D


So just because Linux is free, anyone can learn it? That's another new one for me.


And what is that supposed to mean? That Windows users don't know anything about securing Windows? And Linux users don't know anything about securing Windows? Are you actually trying to promote Windows here? ;)

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Pool cleaners get paid more than linux admins who are mostly windows drop outs and dont know anything about setting up and securing windows properly which is why they switch to linux in fear ... :D

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Originally Posted by penagate

You answered it yourself.
Windows gives you a pretty GUI that you can mess around in. Linux throws you in the deep end, much as does DOS.

Not to mention picking a distribution, and a GUI if that's what you want.

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Point is when you learn to operate Windows, you essentially learn the GUI. You don't learn the SDK. When you learn to operate Linux/DOS for that matter, you are essentially learning the bare-bones, raw commands. So I would say it's two different things learning Windows and learning Linux w/out the UI. Now if you were to compare Windows with another UI-based OS such as the Mac, that would be interesting.

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Originally Posted by rory

Pool cleaners get paid more than linux admins who are mostly windows drop outs and dont know anything about setting up and securing windows properly which is why they switch to linux in fear ... :D

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Boy, you seem to just "hate" Linux admins! Either you don't know the real Linux administrators or you don't know what Linux administration means.

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Originally Posted by rory

saving money doesnt actually pay for food though ... :D

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And why would it not?

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Originally Posted by honeybee

Point is when you learn to operate Windows, you essentially learn the GUI. You don't learn the SDK. When you learn to operate Linux/DOS for that matter, you are essentially learning the bare-bones, raw commands. So I would say it's two different things learning Windows and learning Linux w/out the UI. Now if you were to compare Windows with another UI-based OS such as the Mac, that would be interesting.

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Yes, correct, you don't actually learn Windows properly unless you program in it.

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Originally Posted by honeybee

Boy, you seem to just "hate" Linux admins! Either you don't know the real Linux administrators or you don't know what Linux administration means.

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Okay so we've obviously gathered that you are a linux user ... :wave:

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Originally Posted by penagate

Yes, correct, you don't actually learn Windows properly unless you program in it.

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Well, then I say if a newbie were to learn Windows programming and Linux programming, both would be equally easy/difficult.

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Originally Posted by rory

Okay so we've obviously gathered that you are a linux user ... :wave:

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Oi, you jump very fast!!! To conclusions. How about not drawing conclusions so fast and debate the issues without any biases?

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Originally Posted by honeybee

Oi, you jump very fast!!! To conclusions. How about not drawing conclusions so fast and debate the issues without any biases?

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if you think linux is soo cool then u must be a linux user .. :bigyello:

Do you know DOS BTW ..??

I'd say Windows code would be more difficult to learn as you'd be in jail at the time for breach of copyright :lol:

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Originally Posted by honeybee

Well, then I say if a newbie were to learn Windows programming and Linux programming, both would be equally easy/difficult.

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I agree.

People will inevitably be drawn to Windows and find it easier to use because of the GUI; but to actually know either inside out is a task of equal magnitude.

From what I can see you don't need to learn either to call yourself an admin. Just learn the phrase: "Have you rebooted the machine?".

Seriously, the other day I found myself exaplining to a customers admin that when he set up a datasource he had to actually tell it which database to use :rolleyes:

the word "admin" is overated on any OS ... and everyone is a "computer expert" nowadays, or so it "seems" ... :bigyello:

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Originally Posted by honeybee

Oi, you jump very fast!!! To conclusions. How about not drawing conclusions so fast and debate the issues without any biases?

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Where is the real HB and what have you done with him? :eek:

I'll have Vista Boulevard and put two (count 'em, two!) webservers on it.

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Originally Posted by rory

if you think linux is soo cool then u must be a linux user .. :bigyello:

Do you know DOS BTW ..??

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Take it a bit slowly, will ya? I haven't said Linux is cool. However I don't agree with the statement that Linux is harder to learn than Windows. If you take the operating system, probably in Linux you would still have to use a command line to get certain jobs done (MS shipped DOS with Windows till Win '98 I guess). Which would be equally difficult to do with the DOS command prompt in a Windows system. The only difference here is Windows now comes with a neat GUI to shield you from the command-line syntaxes and switches. As far as programming is concerned, you need to learn the respective APIs, again I have no reason to believe Linux APIs will be more difficult to learn than Windows APIs, and then there are programming languages to learn. Again for the programming languages, apart from the syntax differences, hardly anything is different for a normal programmer.

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Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978

I'd say Windows code would be more difficult to learn as you'd be in jail at the time for breach of copyright :lol:

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API?? Ever heard of them??

I don't think if I were to write a program to work on Linux I need to know how the kernel instructions are executed or what code goes into a particular flavour of Linux, as long as I have the APIs to work with.

Same for Windows. How many Windows programmers know actually what goes on behind the screens when an API function is called? And frankly it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by MasterBlaster

Where is the real HB and what have you done with him? :eek:

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That's a secret, which if revealed, will endanger the people of your country, so don't ask!!

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Originally Posted by Wally Pipp

I'll have Vista Boulevard and put two (count 'em, two!) webservers on it.

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Is this some weird/sick form of futuristic Monopoly move?