I would ask your girls to help you decide. They're old enough.
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I would ask your girls to help you decide. They're old enough.
Yes, that sounds good but I hope they dont do a "Oh sure Dad take the job" and be thinking "Oh now its time to party" :lol:
They can give me a hard time sometimes ;) If I had someone to watch them I wouldnt have had to ask this question. I would have probably tried the job out.
When the older one's 18, I'll help you out. ;)
Ya, I bet. :p
So should I Ban you now? :D
Well then if they really aren't mature enough to be by themselves, or even if they are but you are worried about their safety then you should forget the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
I think its a little of both.
I'm going to find out if I come in 5 days if I can work a shortened shift so when they get home at 3:30 I will be home by 4:30. 1 hour is justified.
If you can be home by 4 or anytime before 6 at night thats great. My mother is in the same position as you, and she works her butt off. I love her for that, she works every day doing her best for her and me. She does not get paid the big bucks you do, but damn does she deserve it. I say take the job, if your kids are anything like me they will come to appreciate the great way your parents raised you and cared for you.
It seems to me that the benefits that you have quoted are there to distract from the problems.
You have indicated that there are 100+ systems to be maintained, 3 new
websites a year, maintaining an unspecified number of existing websites,
insanely long days, a hideous commute and missing out on a lot of time with your family.
Under those conditions I would only suggest taking the job if they where paying a Seven figure salary, even the think it through carefully. :thumb:
Cant you move your kids with you?
For that salary you can move house for a few years and move back later when you have all the money and stress leave. Its never easy for kids to move but ask them and see what they say
Rob, I have an idea that could put your mind totally at ease:
Since you wouldn't let me take your place at home, watching your girls, let me take the job off your hands. I know it'll be really tough for me to accept over $150k/year, but for you I'll make the sacrifice. I'll even move from the east coast for you.
Who says you couldn't work for this company for a couple of years, pay off your debt, build up a nice savings and then leave and go back to your consulting??
Besides if your children are interested in going to college, having that money around would be beneficial.
Have you spent any quality time at the company just to see how the environment is??
Yes, I was thinking that I could just do this for 3 years at least and then both my kids will be out of high school. Then I would have my house paid off and could buy another house closer. They would move with me easier since I can buy them cars and they will both be of driving age, rent my house out and make more $. If it doesnt work out then I would at least make some good coin and have more savings for doing my own thing but I will have lost my current clients as they will need someone else if I take the job.
I'm going to talk to the kids this weekend to see what they think. I find out today if they need me to jump in as a contractor to finish a website that is past due and is very important. $150 an hour with no limit. The sites already up but imcomplete so it is just like doing half a website. Theses people are very nice and accomodating so far.
Maybe its just me but if they are paying you 6 figures surley that means thats theres lots of work and responsibility so when they say you leave at 4 it actually means you will be there till 6.....
:lol: Yes, there is allot of responsibility but they are serious about people working different shifts and let them come and go based on it. Most are salary and they do take driving distance into considerations when they allow someone to leave early on a scheduled basis. Granted if the phone system is down or something, it wil need to be fixed and I'll have to stay until it is but it wouldnt be everyday.
Rob, I know my opinion is probably not valued because I'm 15 blah blah...
But I feel that the choice is only yours to make. You know and understand your kids the most out of all of us, you will know how they will react to your actions etc. Only you know what the right decision is, considering your own circumstances, non of us can make this choice for you!!
Personally I don't know what I would do, but I know that you will make the right choice whatever happens :)
Good luck with whatever happens,
Rudi.
Thanks Rudi. It is a major decision as once I take it I will have to start my consulting bussiness all over again. Currently I am doing some sserver support and misc desktop support in addition to writting an ASP.NET web app for a client. I wanted to get away from consulting and focus on programming only. If I have the resources then I can just do it on my one day off and possibly over the weekends. Then if it takes off I can quit the far job and be back to making good money and being able to stay home. :)
I think this may be my plan for this.
What a horrible offer. Bad commute and 16 hour days? Hell no.
Stick with your consulting firm. Though I would develope your own software product, you might get lucky and strike it rich.
Yes, I do have a couple of ideas and a almost complete program too offer but its just a freeware type. I need to get moving and write more cod perhaps but even if I take the job for a short term length, I would build up resources while i can still be writting apps on weekends and any "spare time" :D
Hmm, seems like Im still in the middle for deciding. :(
Ok, they just made a third offer with an increase of 15%. this is really alot so I think I will see if the kids are ok and can handle things for me to take the position as its just too much to pass up. At least if I can do it for a year it will be a major help. Then I would have all bills paid and some reserves to start a programming company without any worries.
Your kids are 15 and 18, right??Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
Well I'm 15, soon to be 16, and I feel that I am mature enough and responsible enough to handle being alone for the most parts of days. Seeing as girls mature quicker than boys, I honestly don't think you'll have a problem. You'll probably only seen me on VBF as to be mental and immature, but there is a time and a place for everything ;)
All I wish to say now, is good luck Rob!! :thumb:
Thanks, I'm gonna buy a new civic or something with an automatic tranny so the traffic wont get to me. Then I can let my old daughter have it when I am home. Car will be paid off in 2-3 months. I hate having bills so taking the job will be one way to get rid of them all very quickly. This will reduce my stress and allow for more tolerance in dealing with the traffic. Plus, I will have money to continue fixing my Cobra up. :) Just wont see me on VBF as much depending on how things go. :(
Oh well, its worth it to give up being #1 as I have had it for over a year now I think. :D They said they understand my position but I think they may have some thought that I am playing hardball with them but I informed them it wasnt about the money. They were shocked when I turned down the first offer :lol: but now I think they know its not about money.
I hate kids, and yes, I do see the Serious tag.
You said it all, man. Look, the money always sounds great, but I can tell you from personal experience that everything else suffers. My father did that to me and my sibblings, so I did not get to know him until I was in my 20s. I did it to my son and missed a lot of the first two years of his life. And I acquired serious health problems. And I almost got divorced. Plus, commuting is expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
Closer is better when it comes to family because quantity time = quality time, every time. Your kids won't remember the great game you took to them to in 2007; they will remember that you were there.
Unless you really need the job, you might want to lean toward staying in town -- at least until your kids are out of the house.
I just read all the other posts. I don't know you or your kids, so please do not be offended. I teach kids their age. I have seen the results of good kids with time on their hands when the parents aren't home. You don't want to be a grandfather until you are Martin's age. ;) Really, you don't.
:lol: No offense taken and I do agree about time, but I have been there for them for many years already. I am thinking of just a year or two as they are 15 and 17 years old. I am going to talk to my sister in law tomorrow to see if the girls can come over after school for a few hours so she could watch them. I would be able to pay her well to get her to accept. This will prevent me being promoted to Grandfather too soon. :)
That's the ticket.
It looks like the only thing to be seriously worried about is the commute, but you could get some of those learn Chinese while you drive CDs to pass the time. They are more exciting than it might seem.
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Originally Posted by Rudi & ML
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Originally Posted by Rob
Bring on the google wierdos!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moon_Pie
I got it....Move closer to the new job!
Yes, but then I would have to pull the girls out of high school and move them to another one. Not fun or a good idea I think lol. I think I need to be watching my younger daughter more as this time will never be around again. Guidence and stuff is more important then money. I'll just try to see how things would be and make a final based on that. Still no amount of money seems worth some of the sacrafices I would have to make.