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No you will be put in jail for inciting racial hatred because it is racist, and fundamentally wrong. If they get violent in their recation then they will also go to jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx
Freedom of speech is just that, free. However like anything in society it must be used with responsibility.
Depends on the country, I suppose. You can get jailed for inciting racial violence in this country (or any other kind of violence, for that matter), but not inciting hatred. If that were the case, W would be in jail along with pretty much anybody else who opens their mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
You have no free speech if there are limits on your speech. The only reasonable legal limit on your speech is that you can't libel or slander against a specific person or organization, then the only penalty is civil (lawsuits).Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
So there you have it, you guys have no free speech. I mean in U.K., there was censorship laws that said Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles couldn't use nunchuks or have any violence. It has since been repealed, but its kind of scary how extreme your censorship is. You guys care so much about not offending anyone that you guys have become zombies.
No, it wasn't the fear of offense that made them zombies, it was all the booze.
Since Denmarks main exports are bacon, beer and porn I dont think its that much of an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Mosabama
And marijuana... can't forget that one.... or is that a main import? OMG, that's the answer! Get those Islamic fundamentalists hooked on weed!Quote:
Originally Posted by davebat
It's Holland where cannabis is legal, and not Denmark ;)
And England is it's own Island, sperated from Europe if you didn't know that already :D
Woka
LiterallyQuote:
Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx
Well then I guess Denmark is s@$# out of luck huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wokawidget
I did know that but seriously its like 21 miles from the coast of France right? 'Ooo look at us we're 21 miles from the rest of Europe... we're special.'Quote:
And England is it's own Island, sperated from Europe if you didn't know that already :D
. . . and all-American grilled cheese we import from you guys. Zombification by proxy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
In the United States, Freedom of Speech, as defined by out Bill Of Rights, means that you can not be punished if you speak out against the Federal Government.
It does not mean you can yell Fire in a crowded theater.
It does not mean you can incite a riot.
And, it should not mean those things. For those acitivies, you should, and will be, jailed.
What about if there is a fire :confused:Quote:
It does not mean you can yell Fire in a crowded theater.
I understand yelling Fire in a theater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack
But incite a riot? Did those cartoons incite a riot? Does that mean all satire of religion should be outlawed? Does that mean all satire of anything should be outlawed because someone might be offended and riot?
Arrest the rioters, not the people who "incite" it, whether directly or by offending said people.
In my opinion, even if I said in public "we should riot", I shouldn't be arrested, the people who followed what I did should.
By that logic, brutal dictators should be pardoned, but their armies should all be jailed.
What? Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by demotivater
I think you're using a bad comparison there buddy.
Dictators are in a position of power.
They are responsible for the orders they hand out.
People who try to incite riots are not. There is no legal repurcussion if you refuse to follow somebody trying to incite a riot.
Besides you try to equate inciting a riot with publishing things that offend people to the point of riot (i.e. satirical cartoons).
Both of which I think are free forms of speech. But it is even more ludicrous to think the latter (publishing offensive cartoons) should be illegal.
It's all perfectly clear now.Quote:
Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx
:confused: :confused:
Indeed, but that is a more obvious form of power. You inciting a riot also shows power over others, but of a more covert nature and as such you are responsible for manipulating the others to follow your desire to riot. As the leader you are responsible and as such would be the first to be jailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx
Then Enimem should be thrown in Jail for inciting domestic violence. Gangster rappers should be thrown in jail for inciting gang violence. In fact all music and media should go through a special government comission to make sure it won't cause any negative reaction or cause any offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
Thats the slippery slope you're going down.
Thats where personal responsibility comes in.
Remember, don't be a moron. Just because someone says it doesn't mean you have to do it. But they have every right to say it, you have every responsibility to not do it if it is wrong.
Care to re-phrase that? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by capsulecorpjx
I think there's a fairly fundamental difference between inciting a riot by saying 'Hey, let's all riot' and inciting one by insulting someone enough that they feel the need to kick off.
The first one is already illegal in the UK as it's incitement to commit a crime - which is a crime in and of itself.
The second one is more of a grey area and the question really should be: Should you be allowed to get away with insulting someone or their beliefs just to boost your circulation?
For the second one, there is no grey area, it should be allowed, at least in the United States it is. Thats what Free Speech means, it means people do not have the right to not be offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
For the first one, well just to me, trying to inciting a riot is also free speech. Of course I think it's even illegal in the States.
I meant "don't be retarded." And I was referring to people who riot and then blame it on the person who "inciting the riot." People who don't take personal responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
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Originally Posted by Hack
Just to point out a few things. Yelling Fire in a crowed theater isn't a question of free speech, but a question of morals. Therefore, I am within my right to yell Fire, when in fact there isn't. My doing so may lead to consequense, such as being told to leave, or arrest (not for yelling Fire, but rather for not obeying the property owner's request to leave the theather).
Second, your example of inciting a riot has nothing to do with free speech. However, you are corrrect that it is an illegal act. The constitution only protects our right to peaceful assembly.
I totally agree with Mosabama...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosabama
Muslims Love Prophet Muhamed (peace upon him) more than themselves,thier Fathers and mothers,and more than thier sons....
So, when muslims reply to this offending by not buying Demark products ,this is the least reaction ...
There is very important thing that nobody remark it, it is that muslims did not reply this offending by the same way ,they didnot reply it by offending thier religious or offending their holy sympoles....
they (Denamrk) say that they will burn the holly book of islam infront of all the people in denmark , but we did not see any muslim say " we will burn the holy book of christians".....
This is great thing in muslims religion " Not to reply the offending by another wrong offending"
In additin to that muslims believe in jesus as a prophet from god and respect all prophets
see this article :Jesus in the Glorious Qur'an
this is greatest civilization.....
Isnot this says muslims are not teroreists at all ??!!!
See this article : What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
as Mosabama said "when I say islam .. you remember BEN LADEN"...
why??!!
BEN LADEN isnot the only muslim one in the world!
There is very great samples for muslims around the world like : The Scientist who won Nobel prize in chemistry "Ahmed Zewil",And other scientists like "Farouk El-Baz",Magdy Yaqoup, and more...
please visit this site World Muslims
Finally I want to say that all muslims respect the freedom of speech , and holy Quran say that meaning and they accept the criticism ,and the evidence on this that they discuss with The orientalists and accept them in thier countries, But anyway offending people and holy sympols is not from freedom of speech , it is freedom from responsibility........
When did they say this? Who said it? Got any news links?Quote:
Originally Posted by hanysaad
Everyone know that they that, and this news were in everywhere when they said that,if you do not believe me "Mosabama" mention that in his post before me....Quote:
When did they say this? Who said it? Got any news links?
In between, I did a search on what you mentioned. Apparently it was a racist party within Denmark that called for this. "They" != Denmark. That is a dangerous generalization to make.
Kind of ironic don't you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by mendhak
yet they turn around and do the same to us. Human nature perhaps? Maybe we're not that different after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by haynseed
Yes, I agree. It all comes down to those territory-type instincts embedded in our psyche.Quote:
Originally Posted by space_monkey
No, that's correct, some Muslims burned down embassies and killed completey innocent people, who probably agreed with them.Quote:
There is very important thing that nobody remark it, it is that muslims did not reply this offending by the same way ,they didnot reply it by offending thier religious or offending their holy sympoles....
You are also generalising Denmark, which is a little hypocritical don't you think?
Woka
Of course, muslims have been publicizing anti-jew cartoons in islamic publications for years now. Apparently they're allowed to...