The group I was talking about that claimed resposebility, is now Threatening Norway, Denmark and Italy. I guess it is since we have all had soldiers in Iraq, and at least Norway have had and have in Afghanistan.
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The group I was talking about that claimed resposebility, is now Threatening Norway, Denmark and Italy. I guess it is since we have all had soldiers in Iraq, and at least Norway have had and have in Afghanistan.
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Originally Posted by NoteMe
Do you mean "now threatening?"
Hhehehhehe..yeah...hard to do many things at the same time here..:D
I know that you are just passing on info but maybe stuff from the likes of al-Qaida shouldn't be published.
I was thinking about it. But then I thought. Well it is published on 9999 other web pages all ready. So what does it help if don't. Do you have any suggestions how it can help? If so I will take it away.
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Religion! :rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm
Was that a reason?
We've heard this all before. For some reason its' always the same stuff that gets said from both sides, and so the situation never improves. For as long as this is the case these things will continue to occur.
Yeah I guess. I have been thinking about this a lot today. Yesterday me and my GF desided that we will go to Italy in the end of August. But now they are threatening Italy and Norway too. Guess you are pretty safe if you stay away from the big cities, but you can never bee to sure when it comes to the air planes and the trains. But if you are too scared, and don't want to travell anymore, then I guess the only thing you can do is to sit down in your couth in a house on the country side. And that is not what I want to do, so I guess I will go anyway. Havn't bought the tickets yet though.
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And how exactly can you negotiate with such fanatics? When they consider us as the "infidels" they would hardly want to talk, just kill.
What did the people of London (NYC and Madrid too) do to deserve this act? Nothing. If these "warriors" wanted to try and convince the UK to retreat from Iraq this is hardly the way to do it. If anything this will bring more support FOR the war in Iraq, and anywhere else where these terroists hide. Besides, a true warrior would not commit such a cowardly attack on innocent people
Hmmmm, supposed to be going to Florida in 2 weeks too. Great. Smashing. Super. :mad:
I support that thought. This might scare, but countries all over Europe is more then sure to get more hate out of this then feeling pitty for them. And from hate war evolves, not piece.
why don't you go? Nothing you can do to prevent this from happening.
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Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
Well, they are "worriers" of Europe, so I wouldn't be too affraid if I where you. But you never know though. But again, I don't think you can be affraid for the rest of your life. Nothing good comes out of it.
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Originally Posted by Wally Pipp
Was that for me or to "Valleysboy1978"?
40 killed now, 300 with injuries.
No, exactly. You can't win! If you don't travel, the terrorist have won, if you travel, you might get blown up. However remote the chance is there is still a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
Well, I guess the best place to start isn't to do what Bush has done and immediately declared that the "war on terror" must go on. What is being done to resolve the situation? If the best we can manage is to fight fire with fire then we are no better than them. Someone (or some people) need(s) to sit down, think calmly and logically, and discuss exactly why these things are happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
Granted, killing civilians is terrible and unjustifiable. All the more reason to try to figure out why this is going on.
:thumb: Hear hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoteMe
Terrible news. Fargin jihadis. Their statement calls it a military raid - military my foot. RIP to the fallen. :(
They are religious fanatics, and therefore cannot be reasoned with. The only reason they target civilians is because they are easier targets. Would they try to bomb a military target? No, because they would fail miserably. These people are cowards.Quote:
Originally Posted by penagate
This cannot be resolved until the countries harbouring these terrorists (whichever country they may be) stop doing so and realise that these "freedom fighters" simply increase the hatred felt towards their respective religions.
Targeting these innocent civilians is simply cowardly and frankly unforgivable
Hmm... You have the G. W. Bush cap on. Sure they are religious fanatics, and we probably can't reason with them. After all, most of these people have been brainwashed all their lives! But how can we say they are merely killing innocent people for no reason? Even if they were sick enough to do that, lets look at the hard facts: it costs money and a lot of effort to organise these attacks, they have to obtain things like explosives, etc. They would not go to all this trouble, half of them killing themselves in the process, just to satisfy some twisted dream of killing civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
At the top (or bottom) of this there is an ulterior motive that these people have, which we must try to discover, in order to stop the madness. Is it the attitude of Western governments toward Middle Eastern people? Is it the way political affairs are handled?
Instead of trying to wipe them out and merely inciting further hatred in the process, we must work toward a solution somehow. I don't know what that solution would be, but it is not war, and it is not blame.
Perhaps this is the approach Winston Churchill should have taken? After all Hitler was not to blame. When facing a bully you have to stand up for yourself, otherwise you are simply an easy target.Quote:
Originally Posted by panagate
I was never a Bush supporter, but today a lot has changed, and I would imagine a lot of people in Britain have changed their minds on the "war against terror" myself included
Nonetheless it doesn't help. I'll still be going as it's my best mates wedding, but I can imagine the US border control are going to be even worse with incoming tourists :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wally Pipp
That's what we seem to be doing, is it working?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
Not really, terrorism has always been a problem in the UK. I remember when we lived in London and my parents told me about the risks of bombs. This is by no means trivial but it is not the worst act of of terrorism the UK as seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
The problem needs to be addressed but it seems that fighting fire with fire is not going to work, we must live our daily lives as best as normal and consider looking at the root causes of such cowardly, inconsiderate and atrocious acts.
It would be nearly impossible to protect every train, bus , taxi, road and street from such future events.
I just read that 100.000 persons in the UK actualy supporst (or think it can be justified) terrorist actions like this in the UK. Pretty scary....
True, true. The Omagh bomb comes to mind (okay technically it wasn't London but it was still far worse).Quote:
Originally Posted by visualAd
How else can they be fought? They will not stand up and say "Okay, we got issues with you let's talk about a comprimise"
That is one thing I will say about the IRA, they have finally gone to the talking table and things have improved, but that took a long time and trust is still not 100% between both parties.
There were a lot less people killed at Omagh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
Today's death toll is currently at 33 plus.
As usual its the minority who are intent on causing death , pain and suffering. It is theses people who employ the services of vulnerable individuals, brainwashing them in to thinking the only way is to fight.
There are real issues which are behind these acts, real issues which do need to be addressed and I believe that addressing them wouldn't giving the terrorists the surrender flag but would instead show the world that we are listening.
I am hoping that G8 summit will continue regardless, that it will do the good it is meant to do and that London and everyone in the UK will get back to life as normal as quickly as possible. Because as mentioned by our own prime minister , the object of his trip to Scotland was to try and address some of the issues that give these sick people the fuel they need to employ terrorism, if we take the fuel away from the likes of extremists such as Bin Laden terrorism will inevitably die.
Didn't Blair say that he wanted to go to London now, and leave G8?
[Edit]Ohhh...he is going back again later on tonight..:)
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Fluffy kittens and candyfloss.
Can we please keep this discussion based on the facts and not opinions, especially where other religions are concerned.
This thread will be locked if there is anything that even straddles the line of racial hatred or extremism.
It's true, terror is never an issue until it strikes close to home.
I'm pretty sure the majority of UKs citizens will now have a different opinion, or will soon have a different opinion on even the war in Iraq (or what's left of it).
And this 'war' on terrorism can never be won through force. They grow up believing that they are right. And we grow up believing that we're right, and that they're minds have been twisted. The solution is... education. On both sides. And personally, I'd eliminate religion. That's remove a lot of todays conflicts and problems. Let other problems take center stage for a while. I'd be happier with that.
Talk about extremism. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by visualAd
Well said, Moderating Droid serial number: 332814419772164885CQuote:
Originally Posted by visualAd
Less deaths yes but the effects were worse. Mostly because they used a nail bomb, and children were killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlenW
Yes but acknowledging our own alledged wrongdoings AFTER a terrorist attach sets a very useful precedent for the terrorists, if they ever want us to jump through a hoop all they have to do is organise another atrocity.Quote:
Originally Posted by visualAd
Indeed
Don't children exist in London then? I don't think a dead person cares whether it was nails or ball bearings or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by valleysboy1978
Rush hour traffic rarely involves children.
A dead person doesn't care, but a live person does. If memory serves a few were struck with nails from the bomb and survived with horrific injuries.
A bomb is meant to kill
A nail bomb is meant to kill those in the immediate vicinity and severely injure those further away. Just trying to say that different bombs have different effects.