Look for the horny dog in the back of the second film. Thats me :lol: :lol:
Strange though I am sure you were in the movie cast HB :D
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Look for the horny dog in the back of the second film. Thats me :lol: :lol:
Strange though I am sure you were in the movie cast HB :D
lord voldermort or the werewolf?
How does a nation feel insecure, It is a group of people each having their own opinions. You cannot sum up America into one emotion as it is probably the most culturally diverse place on the earth.Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
It's a shame that the nation which calls itself the most powerful on earth has to feel so insecure.
Honeybee have you ever constructed a valid argument, or are you just trying to annoy people?
Some do, but it's hardly an effective response. Look at Britain, they could swarm their army over Northern Ireland if they wanted, but it would do no good. The same with Russia and Chechyna. Armies cannot effectively fight terrorism, as a terrorist is not easily identifiable from any other person on the street until they actually start to do something. And that is the problem. Sure you can increase security patrols etc. But all you are really doing is putting more troops into potential danger.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
America isnt used to it. All nations fight terrorism (look at Israel) its just America can do more damage. They are reacting in no strange way and they are no different to other nations.
Maybe its time to stop thinking America is any different and bare in mind it is larger and has a larger military ability. I am certain most countries attacked by terrorists throw allot of their military resources into fighting it.
Oh go one, I'll argue this one as well :) The terrorists attacking the US have numerous goals. It's back to the old "people don't just do things because they are evil" argument. If people are going to throw away their life in a terrorist attack, you can bet they have a goal in mind. Whether that goal is to stop the US "interference" in the middle east, to "punish" the US for lost family members or other injustices, or simply to oppose what they probably see as the evil warmachine that it represents.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
You also have to remember this is one of those few cases where the terrorists arent bordering America and are attacking it for no real goals other than to destroy and damage the country itself. :)
I'm not saying that any of these goals are justified, but people almost always have a "good reason" for doing such acts. (By "good reason" I mean justifiable in their own mind).
Yes it is a shame, but that is different from shaming a nation. It's a shame that Pakistan and India don't have a better relationship. Does that mean that Pakistan have shamed India? I think not.Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Maybe the shock that such things could happen in the US itself? There are other countries suffering much worse on account of terrorism. None of them has isolated itself so well from the world as the US. That's why I said the Al Qaeda shamed the US. It's a shame that the nation which calls itself the most powerful on earth has to feel so insecure.
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The US has nothing to be ashamed about on 9/11, but the muslim world does, as these attacks were done in the name of Allah.
Umm they had a war if i recall. You could call it an uprising buts its the same thing.Quote:
The same with Russia and Chechyna
Britain had to take into account some people wanted to be independant and some didnt. It could have been simpler if the northern Irish people could decide amongst themselves. Northern Ireland had troups patrolling and constant attacks on military personnel much like a smaller Iraq.
Both responses were Military which is my point
You cant justify just wanting to wipe out a group of people without it being called 'cleansing' which is illegal across the globe. true these people have motives but many 'SEEM' to just want to wipe out America. Some of it is religious, how do you stop these people when there goal is anyone Christian or from a Christian country?
This Terrorism threat isnt about land so it can be fought anyway as respect to where any terrorists are found.
Muslims who did not participate/organise the attack have nothing to be ashamed of, with an attitude like that you are encouraging religious hatred.Quote:
Originally posted by Ex-FB
The US has nothing to be ashamed about on 9/11, but the muslim world does, as these attacks were done in the name of Allah.
If I blew some one up in the name of vbforums would you be ashamed?
Yes, but not the full force of the military. If the problem were solvable by military force, then Britain would just pour the whole army in Northern Ireland and solve the rpoblem. But unfortunately, the military will never be able to fight terrorism by strength of numbers. It comes down to intelligence agencies and special forces mainly.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
Umm they had a war if i recall. You could call it an uprising buts its the same thing.
Britain had to take into account some people wanted to be independant and some didnt. It could have been simpler if the northern Irish people could decide amongst themselves. Northern Ireland had troups patrolling and constant attacks on military personnel much like a smaller Iraq.
Both responses were Military which is my point
I would argue that their goal is not anyone Christian or from a Christian country. It may seem like that, but ultimately that is not a goal, that is a target. (I'm not explaining this well, sorry.) Maybe goal is the wrong word, their motivation is more than just "because evil people do evil things". In the same way that UK/US troops don't just kill innocent Iraqi's because "evil people do evil things." They have a motivation. The key to fighting terrorism is finding that motivation and neutralising it. Like I said, in many cases it will simply be to "punish" the US for the loss of a family member in Iraq or Afghanistan, but it is still a motivation.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
You cant justify just wanting to wipe out a group of people without it being called 'cleansing' which is illegal across the globe. true these people have motives but many 'SEEM' to just want to wipe out America. Some of it is religious, how do you stop these people when there goal is anyone Christian or from a Christian country?
Do I misunderstand the last sentance, or are you saying you can kill anyone who lives where there are terrorists to be found. If so, isn't that "cleansing". Sorry if I misunderstood your post.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
This Terrorism threat isnt about land so it can be fought anyway as respect to where any terrorists are found.
True, and I do stand corrected on that point. But you know what I'm trying to get at. If someone killed a bunch of US kids in the name of Scottish Nationalism, then I'd be ashamed. I wouldn't feel guilty (as I had no direct control over the situation), but I would be ashamed that such an individual had brought my country into disrepute.Quote:
Originally posted by davebat
Muslims who did not participate/organise the attack have nothing to be ashamed of, with an attitude like that you are encouraging religious hatred.
If I blew some one up in the name of vbforums would you be ashamed?
They are attacking in the name of Allah, which would make it a Holy War (Jihad), yet they are attacking because of political policy...
This all started when Saudi Arabia asked the US to stage is bases in their country during the Gulf War in 1990-1991.
1) Osama hates the US for desecrating the muslim holy lands.
2) The US wouldn't have based it troops in the muslim holy land, if it hadn't been for Saudi Arabia asking the US to assist when Saddam invaded Kuwait, and allowing the US to set up it's bases in Saudi Arabia.
So who is to blame? The US for helping an allie?
or Saudi Arabia for inviting the US into the middle east and allowing them to setup bases?
It seems to me that Osama should be pissed off at Saudi Arabia (his former government), more than the US, because Saudi Arabia asked the US to come there.
Yep, and the the only reason we are allies with saudi arabia is because they have a ****load of oil.Quote:
Originally posted by Memnoch1207
They are attacking in the name of Allah, which would make it a Holy War (Jihad), yet they are attacking because of political policy...
This all started when Saudi Arabia asked the US to stage is bases in their country during the Gulf War in 1990-1991.
1) Osama hates the US for desecrating the muslim holy lands.
2) The US wouldn't have based it troops in the muslim holy land, if it hadn't been for Saudi Arabia asking the US to assist when Saddam invaded Kuwait, and allowing the US to set up it's bases in Saudi Arabia.
So who is to blame? The US for helping an allie?
or Saudi Arabia for inviting the US into the middle east and allowing them to setup bases?
It seems to me that Osama should be pissed off at Saudi Arabia (his former government), more than the US, because Saudi Arabia asked the US to come there.
No I didnt mean that sorry. What I mean is that many critics instantly jumped up and said 'How can these countries be a threat when they are so far away?'. Also because this fight isnt over land there is no 'strict' battleground allowing terrorists to strike anywhere from embasies to allies. How can you protect everthing in the west from potential attacks :(Quote:
Do I misunderstand the last sentance, or are you saying you can kill anyone who lives where there are terrorists to be found. If so, isn't that "cleansing". Sorry if I misunderstood your post.
What I mean is distance is no longer an issue at that is changing the way terrorists work and what protection they can get. Like Afganistan :)
Also people critisis the US but they have done a good job of gaining allies in the fight on terrorists. One example is Pakistan is now attacking terrorist factions in its own territory. More countries are aware of the dangers now and are dedicating themselves to sorting out parts of their country that were more of less lawless and would allow free room for terrorist groups to grow and train.
Muslims shouldnt be ashamed. Many condemn the actions of these radicals. The radicals are using their religion to recruit and to exact there own personal revenge. Look at Osama he is a terrorist who commits others to die in the name of his cause. If he really had faith as strong as them then he would have been on one of those planes. He used radical extremests to his gain and used the religion as a recruiting tool for his own personal goals :mad:
and Boston.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
What I mean is distance is no longer an issue at that is changing the way terrorists work and what protection they can get. Like Afganistan :)
True.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
Also people critisis the US but they have done a good job of gaining allies in the fight on terrorists. One example is Pakistan is now attacking terrorist factions in its own territory. More countries are aware of the dangers now and are dedicating themselves to sorting out parts of their country that were more of less lawless and would allow free room for terrorist groups to grow and train.
True. Maybe shame is the wrong word. But I have a number of Muslim mates (and a muslim relative) and they are all annoyed at the fact that this is all purportedly done in the name of Allah. They are amongst the most peacefull people I know.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
Muslims shouldnt be ashamed. Many condemn the actions of these radicals. The radicals are using their religion to recruit and to exact there own personal revenge. Look at Osama he is a terrorist who commits others to die in the name of his cause. If he really had faith as strong as them then he would have been on one of those planes. He used radical extremests to his gain and used the religion as a recruiting tool for his own personal goals :mad:
I'd say Harry Potter is a childs book and/or movie... do you guys actually watch it? Hell, the old guy who played that other old guy in the movie died, what are they gonna do now, find some other old guy to play the old guy in the movie who doesn't look like the first old guy!??
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Hell yeah! They're great books and movies.
Funny thing is, I love watching some of the kiddy movies, try Scooby Doo (the live action movie), Monsters In, Shrek etc. They're a damn site better than some of the "adult" crap I end up watching.
I probably own more 'Childrens' films than adult ones :lol:
Fresh from Bizarre Tangents 'R' Us:DQuote:
Originally posted by dsheller
I'd say Harry Potter is a childs book and/or movie... do you guys actually watch it? Hell, the old guy who played that other old guy in the movie died, what are they gonna do now, find some other old guy to play the old guy in the movie who doesn't look like the first old guy!??
:bigyello:
Harry Potter sucks.
The summary of this thread is: Harry Potter is the cause of the world's problems.
Burn the ****er. :mad:
how I wish :)Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Lesbian movies? I guess there have been about two or three so far, but I don't want to spend money on the tickets just yet. Let me ensure you don't feature into any of them before I buy the tickets :p
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Two lesbians and me.. hmmm, mmmm...
Funny, I'm a teenager (read: child) and I donate more money to the adult film industry than you?? :PQuote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
I probably own more 'Childrens' films than adult ones :lol:
Darn, even I wish that :mad:Quote:
Originally posted by OrdinaryGuy
how I wish :)
Two lesbians and me.. hmmm, mmmm...
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Robin hood
Sword in the Stone
Lilo and Stitch
Monsters inc
Shrek
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