JS limits?

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Uhm... all of them? Duh.

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have you ever heard of rhetorical questions? ;)
you obviously missed something...

and to retort... no not all of them

there is difference between bytecode and machine code
only some languages use bytecode which renders a program platform independant(normaly slower) unlike C++ which, when compiled on a windows machine, will not run on unix....etc..

some languages that takes this approach are JAVA and Prolog to name a few.... I think .NET is also applying this process.

this thread is getting stupid...i hope the admins close it so we can all move on. yawn... :wave: i'm out

bsw

Now, to get back on topic, client-side JavaScript cannot access a database.

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Originally posted by CornedBee
But at least it DOES stand for something.



1) C++ is very much a language unto itself.
2) C# is MS's .Net version of Java, it's much more similar to that than to C++. (Yeah, I know about J#, but that one's a joke.)
3) J++ isn't really a language. Visual J++ was MS's IDE for Java, but they modified their own virtual machine so hard that it didn't work with normal Java anymore.
4) Then CPL would be the great-grandmother, and you forgot B ;)


Never heard of Ruby, but Python uses its very own syntax, which I find very weird, unreadable and dangerous, if intuitive. But to each his own. The typical sign of a C-like language is the braces for blocks:

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Python uses only indentation, so

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if cond
  this is dependent
  this too
this not

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I think it's dangerous, because if I copy & paste this little snippet to my post again, but this time without the code tags
if cond
this is dependent
this too
this not
the program suddenly gets a different meaning. I don't think it's wise to trust functionality to something as volatile as whitespace.
But apparently people like it.

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Wow. I didnt know that. Thanks for the lesson

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Originally posted by bsw2112
have you ever heard of rhetorical questions? ;)
you obviously missed something...

and to retort... no not all of them

there is difference between bytecode and machine code
only some languages use bytecode which renders a program platform independant(normaly slower) unlike C++ which, when compiled on a windows machine, will not run on unix....etc..

some languages that takes this approach are JAVA and Prolog to name a few.... I think .NET is also applying this process.

this thread is getting stupid...i hope the admins close it so we can all move on. yawn... :wave: i'm out

bsw

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lol. but it was interesting for a while.. starting with the retard statement

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Originally posted by CornedBee
Now, to get back on topic, client-side JavaScript cannot access a database.

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oh. thats what I wanted to know from the very beginning.

Maybe I could have java call a perl script in a hidden window that does the deed.

A hidden iframe, you can't hide windows.

You could also use remote XML loading, but that only works in Mozilla and newer version of IE, and in two different ways at that.

thats what I meant. heh

I didnt really want to use something not 100% supported. Not good for work related stuff

this is funny

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starting with the retard statement

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retort...not retard...

retort=answer back

i like Travis' passion :bigyello:

cheers

bsw

so Java and JavaScript are exactly the same?

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Originally posted by CornedBee
But at least it DOES stand for something.

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Again, not really. But we should ask Larry.

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From Llama
It's actually a retronym, not an acronym. That is, Larry came up with the name first, and the expansion later. That's why "Perl" isn't in all caps.

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2) C# is MS's .Net version of Java, it's much more similar to that than to C++.

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Yeah, that is true. I didn't think about that at the time. This pushes C# down another step in the pedigree.

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4) Then CPL would be the great-grandmother, and you forgot B ;)

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I thought B was BCPL. And I didn't know CPL was a language or that it came before BCPL.

So: CPL -> BCPL -> B -> C -> C++ ....?

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I don't think it's wise to trust functionality to something as volatile as whitespace.

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I agree completely. Why I think VB is a bad language for serious programmers to learn on.

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there is difference between bytecode and machine code

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True, and sorry to not point out the difference. Java and JavaScript do have the distinction in wanting to almost compile for the sake of cross-platform useability. But they want to be cross-platform for different reasons. Still, the only relation between JavaScript and Java is Netscape wanted to ride on the buzz around Java so they renamed LiveScript before its release.

And... Funny Dave.

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So: CPL -> BCPL -> B -> C -> C++ ....?

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Yeah. I read the whole history of C++ not long ago, but the site is now down.

CPL was a kind of theoretical programming language, much too complicated for practical use. It was simplified to BCPL (Basic CPL), but that was still not enough, so it was simplified again to B. B was written for a special platform though, so C was created from it. And C++ is C with several modern programming features.

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I don't think it's wise to trust functionality to something as volatile as whitespace.


I agree completely. Why I think VB is a bad language for serious programmers to learn on.

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I know vb quite well, and have never seen a white space affect the program.

Give me an example

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Originally posted by Evan
I know vb quite well, and have never seen a white space affect the program.

Give me an example

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Sorry, I'm counting returns as whitespace.

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If boolFoo Then doSomething
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That will probably upset the VB parser.

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Originally posted by Travis G
Sorry, I'm counting returns as whitespace.

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If boolFoo Then doSomething
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That will probably upset the VB parser.

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AH returnes, that is a different story.

I completely argee with you on this one, I dont like that about VB either.

Thats one cool thing about perl

if( $this == 1 || $that == 2) {
#do this;
} else { #do something ;}

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Originally posted by Evan
if( $this == 1 || $that == 2) {
#do this;
} else { #do something ;}

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There are many cool things about Perl. The syntax however is common to the lineage, so it is the same for JavaScript and Java (with the exception that scalars and comments are denoted differently).

There is also the neatness of short-circuiting in that example you give. If $that is truly '2', then the program will not bother checking the value of $this (I think short-circuiting runs right to left, but I could be wrong).

Short-circuiting is not unique to Perl, it is just annoyingly absent in VB.

This thread definately belongs in Chit Chat now.

Short-circuting runs left-to-right, as the && and || operators are evaluated.

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Sorry, I'm counting returns as whitespace.

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That will probably upset the VB parser.

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Not if you do

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There are many cool things about Perl. The syntax however is common to the lineage, so it is the same for JavaScript and Java (with the exception that scalars and comments are denoted differently).

There is also the neatness of short-circuiting in that example you give. If $that is truly '2', then the program will not bother checking the value of $this (I think short-circuiting runs right to left, but I could be wrong).

Short-circuiting is not unique to Perl, it is just annoyingly absent in VB.

This thread definately belongs in Chit Chat now.

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I didnt know that. Thanks for the info

I hate that about vb

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Not if you do

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But we mean there is no need for a new line in perl. That is never required, so you can stack things however you want (or as bad as you want)

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Short-circuting runs left-to-right, as the && and || operators are evaluated.

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that makes more sense

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Originally posted by CornedBee
Yeah. I read the whole history of C++ not long ago, but the site is now down.

CPL was a kind of theoretical programming language, much too complicated for practical use. It was simplified to BCPL (Basic CPL), but that was still not enough, so it was simplified again to B. B was written for a special platform though, so C was created from it. And C++ is C with several modern programming features.

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thats weird.. I thought b was before c

back to the original question. Im looking to make a java game for my cell phone, but I want to make it first for the computer.

Also I dont want it to be to hard to switch between the two.

I barely know java, and also want to learn it better.

How would I do this

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Originally posted by Evan
back to the original question. Im looking to make a java game for my cell phone, but I want to make it first for the computer.

Also I dont want it to be to hard to switch between the two.

I barely know java, and also want to learn it better.

How would I do this

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www.sun.com =) - I'm learning Java as well, but I gotta warn you, converting isn't that easy - there's a dev SDK for J2ME using MIDP so developing and debugging on the computer is easy. I'd suggest you learn basic Java before trying J2ME - and if you need an IDE, I suggest you use Eclipse(developed by IBM, IN Java) It's really good - I've come to like it more than the VB6 IDE =).

Cheers!

Is this thread just some elaborate joke by Evan to get a big post count? Seriously, dude, what's up with all the replies? Don't you know how to copy and paste?

Copy and paste should be a prerequisite to programming.

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Is this thread just some elaborate joke by Evan to get a big post count? Seriously, dude, what's up with all the replies? Don't you know how to copy and paste?

Copy and paste should be a prerequisite to programming.

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What is this magical 'Copy & Paste' of which you are speaking ? :p

J2ME and J2SE have quite different APIs, especially for drawing. You might be able to write some tiny wrapper classes though, I did that for my Tetris, which was never finished.

B was before C, read my post again.


And by now we're again off-topic, because this thread started about JavaScript and is now about Java again.

why are J2ME and J2SE so differently made.
I dont see the point

The point is that PCs and tiny devices have very different capabilities and need different frameworks to support. Another point is that they have different purposes too, and a program written for the PC is unlikely to run on a microdevice, while a program written for a MD is unlikely to be useful on a PC for lack of functionality.

The kept what they could, e.g. the classes frrom java.util that exist in ME are the same as in SE.

But there are no float and double datatypes in ME, just as an example.

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The point is that PCs and tiny devices have very different capabilities and need different frameworks to support. Another point is that they have different purposes too, and a program written for the PC is unlikely to run on a microdevice, while a program written for a MD is unlikely to be useful on a PC for lack of functionality.

The kept what they could, e.g. the classes frrom java.util that exist in ME are the same as in SE.

But there are no float and double datatypes in ME, just as an example.

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The processor in micro devices are not as large as the ones in your desktop PC, so even down to the 'ASM' plane it has to be different.

i see.. thats interesting

you doublled that!

whoops, my bad