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No, I asked if you wrote the function and you never said noQuote:
Originally posted by Crunch
//No you made a mistake as well
That's really weird, I was talking about Win32 API calls throughout, and you were apparently on the same page ("...Microsoft hasn't really updated the win32 API much..."), and when you jump a track it's somehow my fault. I guess my mistake was giving you credit for being able to keep up with what was being talking about.
Shrug, when I was your age I knew everything too.
VB is a niche language. Even my ****ing VB book says so.Quote:
Originally posted by nemaroller
VB isn't 'all-around good?' What do you mean? In that it can't perform 1 trillion calculations as fast as C++?? Well, with that notion, anything less than assembly or even pure machine code is a niche language. ... here's a good IDE to get you going.. http://www.negatory.com/asmstudio/
VB can do 99% of anything C++ can do. And the 1% it can't do, you could call unmanaged code to do.
Really, I would be interested to learn why VB is niche just because it handles databases well?
VB is made for fast development of GUIs to work with things like databases. It is not supported under most OSes except Windows, it has no standard. It was created for one purpose, fast development. That is what makes it a niche language.
VB definatly can't do 99% of the things C++ can do. Maybe about 70% or less, and if you figure speed in, more like 1%.
That is a bad sign in your argument when you resort to a 'my book told me so' statement. You got to come stronger than that.Quote:
Even my ****ing VB book says so
Do you program for a living? Are you still in school? These are honest questions and I am not trying to make fun of you in any way with them. It is just that I talk to other programmers every day that studied C++ a lot in College because they didn't want to use the (in your words) 'niche' language. Guess what they get paid to program in? That is right, VB. Sorry to say it, but C++ has become the niche language in the business world now days. That niche is speed. Only, and I stress that, ONLY, when speed is needed will the time be allowed to develop C++ apps or components. When it comes to speed of development though, C++ QUICKLY gets pushed down right above Assembly in the decision process. VB, .Net, and Java all rise to the top for speed of development.
When you are paying programmers 25-40 dollars an hour and working on projects that span months of development time, a one month reduction can produce a savings of $15,000 dollars or more. And that is what it comes down to, saving money.
So as you can see, that 'niche' language has a pretty big chunk of businesses development for money savings alone. Because its 'niche' saves a ton of money, and speeds up businesses technology response time, and it is so widely used, I hardly call it a niche language.
I just added it to my arguement, I made other pointsQuote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
That is a bad sign in your argument when you resort to a 'my book told me so' statement. You got to come stronger than that.
No I am still in school studying to be a game programmer.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
Do you program for a living? Are you still in school? These are honest questions and I am not trying to make fun of you in any way with them. It is just that I talk to other programmers every day that studied C++ a lot in College because they didn't want to use the (in your words) 'niche' language. Guess what they get paid to program in? That is right, VB. Sorry to say it, but C++ has become the niche language in the business world now days. That niche is speed. Only, and I stress that, ONLY, when speed is needed will the time be allowed to develop C++ apps or components. When it comes to speed of development though, C++ QUICKLY gets pushed down right above Assembly in the decision process. VB, .Net, and Java all rise to the top for speed of development.
C++ is not a niche language, it is a good general purpose language meaning it can do anything with great speed. Development time varies depending on the situation.
If C++ quickly gets pushed down for speed, why is Windows programmed in C++? Why are 95% of all games (including console games) made with C++? Alot of drivers are made with C/C++. Drivers, console games (because of the limited spec of the system) and an Operating system, you'd think those would be top priority for speed, right? C++ is pretty damn fast and usually you don't see much, if any, improvement in ASM and if you really want ASM, you can just drop some ASM right INTO a C++ program.
It is a niche language by definition, hell that whole statement you just made proves it's a niche language. Niche languages arn't jacks of all trades, they are designed for a purpose and geared towards an area. That area is speed in the development cycle, and you can't forget Database for VB.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
So as you can see, that 'niche' language has a pretty big chunk of businesses development for money savings alone. Because its 'niche' saves a ton of money, and speeds up businesses technology response time, and it is so widely used, I hardly call it a niche language.
Even if 99% of all programming companies used VB, that won't change the definition of what a niche language is.
So I guess C/C++ has the niche of games, drivers, and OS huh? Actually C++ fills a niche too, multiplatform support. If you want something to work on more than just windows then you might use C but..ah hell what am I arguing for. You can pay to go to school and learn C if you want and I'll take that into consideration now while I'm earning my money in my niche lingo. Niche or not it sure pays the bills. If you think calling VB a niche lingo some how be littles it then think whatcha want. Like in most businesses the niche is where the money is at. I don't program for braggin rights I do it for the paycheck.
No, I was just listing examples and I don't want to type out pages of examples just so you won't call it niche (since it isn't)Quote:
Originally posted by Edneeis
So I guess C/C++ has the niche of games, drivers, and OS huh?
Never said thatQuote:
Originally posted by Edneeis
If you think calling VB a niche lingo some how be littles it then think whatcha want.
I really need your guys help here, If You look at my web site you will see my program for download, www.eGamingprograms.com
But the File it 23 Megs!!!! NO body is going to want that. Its so big because of the Frame work i have to include. There Has got to be a way that i just include the files that it needs to work because its crazy to have to include the whole framework.
Thanks
just put it as download in a separate file, if ppl dont have the framework then they might download it, if they have it they just have to download it
R u sure there is no way to include only the necessary Files?
as you can see by what everyone says no there isn'tQuote:
Originally posted by VBGangsta
R u sure there is no way to include only the necessary Files?
I had no idea about this, if i had i whould have never learned vb.net, but what about that setup template
Yes, like I said Salamander's mini-deploy works wonders.Quote:
Originally posted by VBGangsta
R u sure there is no way to include only the necessary Files?
As long as your code isn't obfusticated, I'll download, disassemble and mini-deploy it. Then people without the framework can use it since it runs a mini-framework.
Lemme download and upload, gimme a couple of minutes
Read my posts fully before you comment on them. You obviously missed what I said because you have blinders on. Re-read it. You will see that I said C++'s niche is speed. I said when it comes to speed of development, it gets pushed down to the bottom.Quote:
Originally posted by kasracer
C++ is not a niche language, it is a good general purpose language meaning it can do anything with great speed. Development time varies depending on the situation.
If C++ quickly gets pushed down for speed, why is Windows programmed in C++? Why are 95% of all games (including console games) made with C++? Alot of drivers are made with C/C++. Drivers, console games (because of the limited spec of the system) and an Operating system, you'd think those would be top priority for speed, right? C++ is pretty damn fast and usually you don't see much, if any, improvement in ASM and if you really want ASM, you can just drop some ASM right INTO a C++ program.
Get back to this post in 5-7 years if it is still here, then post your point of view.
I agree with Edneeis, the money is good in this 'niche' if that is how you refer to it. I will stay with it as long as possible. I don't ever think C++ will take over this niche.
Either way, I am done with the argument. Obviously your language of choice is the only one in your eyes. Until you get out in the real world, and start development under deadlines with a boss over your back, you won't be able to fully open your eyes to the whole perspective of things. I wish you luck in your game career.
No, re-read my post. Just because it's a fast language doesn't make it a niche language. It is a general programming language, not niche. You can do pretty much anything in C++, the same cannot be said for VB which is why it's a niche language. it was developed for a certain area where as C++ was not.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
Read my posts fully before you comment on them. You obviously missed what I said because you have blinders on. Re-read it. You will see that I said C++'s niche is speed. I said when it comes to speed of development, it gets pushed down to the bottom.
No, topping old threads is bad :DQuote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
Get back to this post in 5-7 years if it is still here, then post your point of view.
I haven't talked about money, yet everyone keeps bringing it up. Of course you make money with .NET, you can make money in any language, even LISP. That is beside the point of this arguement.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
I agree with Edneeis, the money is good in this 'niche' if that is how you refer to it. I will stay with it as long as possible. I don't ever think C++ will take over this niche.
C++ won't take over VB's niche because a niche language is ment to be exceptionally strong in a certain area, where as C++ is a general purpose language. Thinking C++ would take over a niche language kind of defeats the purpose of a niche language, now doesn't it?
My language choice ISN'T the only one in my eyes. I know alot of VB and I started to learn Java. Doesn't mean I like those languages, it's just nice to have more languages under your belt for resumes.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
Either way, I am done with the argument. Obviously your language of choice is the only one in your eyes.
That reply has absolutely no relavence to me. You act like I'm going to need a solution that would require the quickness of development that VB has when I'm out in "the real world" and I'm going to try to do it in C++. But yet you know I want to have a career in the game industry, so I see no relavence what so ever since I'm obviously going to be using C/C++ for game development. No one in their right mind would use VB for that.Quote:
Originally posted by hellswraith
Until you get out in the real world, and start development under deadlines with a boss over your back, you won't be able to fully open your eyes to the whole perspective of things. I wish you luck in your game career.
Hi Guys.
There seems to be an other solution for this problem.
You can set the option "Local copy" to "True" in your list of referenced files.
When you release your application now all needed files will be copied to the bin folder.
Packed my application needs justifiable 3 MB.
Hope that helps ;)
(P.S.: Sorry for my bad english :eek: )
where do you see Local Copy??
you still need the .net framework so its non use other for your own librariesQuote:
Originally posted by Tschieses
Hi Guys.
There seems to be an other solution for this problem.
You can set the option "Local copy" to "True" in your list of referenced files.
When you release your application now all needed files will be copied to the bin folder.
Packed my application needs justifiable 3 MB.
Hope that helps ;)
(P.S.: Sorry for my bad english :eek: )