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The point of Camel **** jumping is to make the largest splat possible not avoid it.
DAM U that means i have to cancel the new elephant **** jumping competition that was to be held this weekend. They wont like you you know!!! :( :( :( :(
Can i jump in cow **** or do you think the methane will be compressed too much and therfore ignite???? :) :) :)
Actually, that's the reason you jump on cow ****. How do you think the cow jumped over the moon? It stepped in the wrong place.
Fair point!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Would that not mean there is a cow jumping over the moon every day???? :confused: :confused: ;) ;)
I wish they would. There's a reservoir near here that I like to sail on. At this time of the year, the reservoir is filling. That floats all the cow pies, so the sailing is through drifting mats of pies.
Fortunately, the pies sink or break up after a few weeks, but I'm still not going to touch that water any more than I absolutely have to. I know that's unrealistic, since there's crap in every natural body of water, but those rafts of dung were pretty unappetizing.
Jump on them when you want to get to shore!!!!:D :D :D :D
Something I doubt the US media is bothering to cover is the fact that there are widespread anti-us protests inside iraq at the moment.
Also add to that the utter resentment for the US in more rural areas because of all the people who were killed.
Yeah it’s being covered. I was recently in Canada and it was covered there too :)Quote:
Originally posted by plenderj
Something I doubt the US media is bothering to cover is the fact that there are widespread anti-us protests inside iraq at the moment.
Also add to that the utter resentment for the US in more rural areas because of all the people who were killed.
But I think you are over-reacting as usual. Sure there are protests from some of the people. That is expected. I think it’s also a good thing. For the first time in a long time the people are actually free to express themselves without fear of being shot. I hope that they would take the time too look at that before complaining to much :)
And militants are always going to stir the pot. They do it here in the US. The far left and communists were responsible for most of the anti-war rallies here that made such news. There will always be people who don't agree with what is being done. But at least now the Iraqi people CAN disagree without getting a bullet in the back of their head.
X
Good boy!!!
*Bodwad gives Xanith a choc drop
that just shows your pervert mentality.......Quote:
Originally posted by nishantp
And since you like to believe things until they are disproven, I would like to take this opportunity to inform you that your mother slept with your uncle last night.
In this day and age it seems that we are truly slaves to freedom.
I remember seeing when they pulled that down on TV, they made it look like loads and loads of people were celebrating, but when it was show on a documentary from a wider angle, about 20 people were dancing about, and there were people scattered around and they wern't interrested in the slightest.
And you're facts would be where???? Besides, does someone's political views make their opinion any less important?Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
And militants are always going to stir the pot. They do it here in the US. The far left and communists were responsible for most of the anti-war rallies here that made such news.
I'm sure this is of great comfort to the people who have just buried their children, brothers, sisters, friends, parents etc.Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
There will always be people who don't agree with what is being done. But at least now the Iraqi people CAN disagree without getting a bullet in the back of their head.
X
I'm willing to guess that it is.Quote:
I'm sure this is of great comfort to the people who have just buried their children, brothers, sisters, friends, parents etc.
I read this from numerous sources months ago about this awhile back. This was not a grass roots protest to some massive injustice as was the case during Viet Nam. This was a politically motivated movement by Communists and Left Wing groups.Quote:
Originally posted by Ex-FB
And you're facts would be where???? Besides, does someone's political views make their opinion any less important?
And I never said that the opinions of Left Wing Radicals or Communists are any less important. What I am saying is that the protests you saw (at least here in the US) were politically motivated and organized and not some ground swell of grass roots protests of ordinary people frustrated with the president’s policy in Iraq.
Actually it probably is as most of the dead were killed by Saddam. 1 million give or take thousands were killed by Saddam. They are probably very happy hes no longer in power.Quote:
Originally posted by Ex-FB
I'm sure this is of great comfort to the people who have just buried their children, brothers, sisters, friends, parents etc.
X
I'm not saying your wrong, but whered you get the number 1 million from? I'm always looking for new stats since I'm something of a number freak.
BTW Roughly 62% of America supported the war.
Some interesting stats I got from CNN.
A group of Americans between the ages of 18-24 were surveyed.
87 percent cannot find Iraq
83 percent cannot find Afghanistan
76 percent cannot find Saudi Arabia
70 percent cannot find New Jersey
49 percent cannot find New York
11 percent cannot find the United States
http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/
I don’t think that survey is an accurate representation of the USA. Quite frankly I slept through geography class and was referred to by my teacher as a “Slacker”. Point is I have no trouble at all pointing out any of the countries on the map. Well I take that back, there is probably a few in South America I wouldn’t stand a chance in hell of guessing and one or two in Africa.
I think we are going off topic :) :) :)
I hate maps i cant even find my local supermarket :D :D :D
Iraq needs to get back on its feet again with a proper government in place chosen by the people. America does need to back out and try to make a friend out of Iraq (Politically). Their actions at the moment may damage that as they show no signs of backing out or any sign that they are trying to quickly establish a Iraqi government. :) :) :) :)
Um, how can we back out now? There is still a mess left to be cleaned up and currently we are the Iraqi Government. Right now we are working at cleaning up the mess, after which a new government will be set up. C-Span has the latest briefing on this.
Backing out would be unresponsable of the USA. I mean we broke it, it's our place to fix it.
I didn't support the war, but I support an early withdrawal even less. We went and did it, now we need to finish the job. If we leave now Iraq will either become as democratic as Iran, or will fall into ethnic civil war. Neither solution is good for anybody.
I am not saying back all out what is am saying is to remove some troops and to stop looking to much like a large invasion force.
Even if you dont actually back out you could at least show more signs to the people of Iraq that you are trying to get them their own government as quickly as you can. Plenty of Iraqis believe America is trying to run the place because all they see is American troops on their streets.
There is no sign of any structures for the new government either, i think even empty gestures like start building government offices in each town for counsils will reasure those that dont have tellys that something is happening. You have got rto win over the people by showing them signs (Even empty ones) that you are doing something for them. Too long without any signs of change and they will believe America is an occupying force. :) :) :)
just my thoughts anyway ;) ;) ;)
If anything we need more troops there to keep the order, prevent looting, and combat terrorism.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
I am not saying back all out what is am saying is to remove some troops and to stop looking to much like a large invasion force.
Even if you dont actually back out you could at least show more signs to the people of Iraq that you are trying to get them their own government as quickly as you can. Plenty of Iraqis believe America is trying to run the place because all they see is American troops on their streets.
There is no sign of any structures for the new government either, i think even empty gestures like start building government offices in each town for counsils will reasure those that dont have tellys that something is happening. You have got rto win over the people by showing them signs (Even empty ones) that you are doing something for them. Too long without any signs of change and they will believe America is an occupying force. :) :) :)
just my thoughts anyway ;) ;) ;)
We are an occupying force.
But that is what they are scared of and so more terrorism will rise up in their country if unwanted people are present.
That is an interesting theory. Criminals hate police, would removing police reduce crime? Would removing America reduce Terrorism? These questions are virtually impossible to answer.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
But that is what they are scared of and so more terrorism will rise up in their country if unwanted people are present.
It's hard to know how terrorists would respond if America left Iraq. So I think we shouldn't depend on their response. Besides the bigger problem right now is the state of Iraq. The country is a mess with no infrastructure and this problem needs to be dealt with.
Terrorists rise up because of hatred, hatred of troops in Iraq is caused by the presense of them and no noticable Iraqi presence. Maybe if we were to have an Iraqi presence of police and make our troops assist instead of run.
It needs food and water. The infastructure needs building up from the mess that saddam left it :( ;) :( :(
Thats a relatively simplistic view on the issue.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
Terrorists rise up because of hatred, hatred of troops in Iraq is caused by the presense of them and no noticable Iraqi presence. Maybe if we were to have an Iraqi presence of police and make our troops assist instead of run.
It needs food and water. The infastructure needs building up from the mess that saddam left it :( ;) :( :(
The mess resulting in a lack of public utilities is a result of removing the acting government. Now it is our job to put in place a new government and rebuild the country.
The whole terrorism issue is a side effect of invading. Terrorists only represent the extremists, not the majority. And even the majority has spent a lifetime listening to tv channels and radio stations promoting anti-american feelings.
I agree it is simplistic. The country must have a large income from oil trade so where did all the money go??? Saddam kept it for himself and let his people live in relative poverty.
The extremists do the most damage look at Sept 11th. something like 8 people killed thousands!!!!! In UK we have/had (Dont know where he is) an extremist priest from some religion who publicly told people to bomb us and ANY western country!!! the government couldnt send him packing becuase of 'Human Rights' and that just pisses me off because it just sounds like some ***** trying to make himself into a leader by promoting the murder of others. And we couldnt do anything about him!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Yes the extremists often do do most of the damage, I am just saying that their views don't necessarily reflect the overall feeling of Iraq.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
I agree it is simplistic. The country must have a large income from oil trade so where did all the money go??? Saddam kept it for himself and let his people live in relative poverty.
The extremists do the most damage look at Sept 11th. something like 8 people killed thousands!!!!! In UK we have/had (Dont know where he is) an extremist priest from some religion who publicly told people to bomb us and ANY western country!!! the government couldnt send him packing becuase of 'Human Rights' and that just pisses me off because it just sounds like some ***** trying to make himself into a leader by promoting the murder of others. And we couldnt do anything about him!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Just a thought, but the top one percent of America has most of the wealth, and one in five children here live in poverty. (I am not advacating, suggesting, or commenting on anything with this statement).
I agree :) :) :) . We are responsible for them and their protection now as well but they are more likely to start listening to extremists if they believe they have no say in their country or that America is stealing from them (oil, Goods, money etc)
They are seeing no return from the liberation and this will cause unrest. Its all about buttering them up wether it is expensive or not. A new town hall in towns etc shows democracy is on its way and will cool down the tension and replace it with excitement (For those who want a democracy)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Poverty is everywhere but the American government tries to help those who are poor. Saddam didnt give a sh** and took what was rightfully his own peoples money. He had hordes of money and wealth that he was keeping while his people suffered. That is a very bad leader in deed!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
I do see your point though :) :) :) :)
Clearly we don't have to accomodate the extremists, we simply have to beat them.
I doubt Iraqis would care about a new town hall when some don't have running water or electricity.
Well ok then after the water and electricity is restored. My point is you must show that something is happening to benefit them and then they will help isolate the extremists.;) ;) ;)
Iraqis are already starting to embrace western culture. CNN had a nice article on how they are installing satelite TVs for the first time. Imagine going your whole life without having free media. :eek: :confused: :mad:
I Object
i dont have satelight its skank!!!!
5 Channels of joy :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
:D :D :D :D :D
And at the same time Shia spiritual leaders are flocking to Baghdad to establish an islamic bond with the clear intention of taking over the country and making it an Islamic state.
Loads of Shia in and around Baghdad are listening very keenly to what they're saying and it ain't in favour of the US. Shalabi is called "a man who's knowledge of Iraq and the suffering is only hearsay" and they don't trust the Iraqi National Congress one bit.
So I wouldn't say things are definately going the right way. In fact, if this was the coalition's post war plan it isn't really flying off the blocks, is it ?
Why cant people just accept differences and stop trying to force their beleifs onto others???
Hey i know lets make a strict country that prevents people to have free will!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Why not exists and accept thats what i think. Islamic state my arse!!!!!:( :( :( :(
I don't think the war had anything to do with weapons of mass distruction. I don't think it had anything to do with Saddam. The middle east is very important to the west because of it's oil, and this was obviously a factor, but here is my theory about why the war in Iraq took place:
The US is very concerned about the breakdown of relationships with Saudi Arabia. They are concerned that the feeble Saudi monarchy will soon be overthrown, and the relationship will become much worse. The war on Iraq was an excuse to gain control of a very strategic piece of land in the middle east.
Interesting articles:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...di_africa.html
http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue3/jv6n3a7.html
Hmmm....interesting couple of theories P. It a real tough subject this one. I do believe however that the war was NOT one of liberation - only a naive fool would swallow that one and smile.
What REALLY bugs me is the political spin - if i ignore it i get passive and stoopid. If i listen i actually get quite ANGRY - PISS off Blair you patter merchant, you patronizing, smug *******...SEE, SEE what i meAN. And that is not good for the health
I also quite funny to watch the popular media change subtley. Remember RAMBO helping out the 'Meester I love Mickey Mouse' Mujahideen. He would be back kickin' their arse these days i'll wager - is there truth in the runour that there was a dedication to the 'BRAVE FIGHTERS OF AFGHANISTAN' at the end? or is that urban myth...
OOPS too much talk, It's FRIDAY !!! must dash down for some Rizlas and Pringles now...NO WAIT...going out tonight...must be...able to...umm...converse with..um... friends...and...that
HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND ONE AND ALL !!!
LOL, was thinking exactly the same! ;) Have a good'n!Quote:
Originally posted by powdir
must dash down for some Rizlas and Pringles now...NO WAIT...going out tonight...must be...able to...umm...converse with..um... friends...and...that