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I don't think the IRA is faking surrender, using civilians as suicide bombers, or firing at US troops from a mosque. It's a different war over there.Quote:
Originally posted by plenderj
Norther Ireland has had, and still has, a large number of checkpoints.
And the British forces in the north have a lot of experience with dealing with the IRA and other paramilitary organizations.
That is exactly what the US is facing in Iraq.
People trying to smuggle weapons and get through checkpoints.
The IRA isn't faking surrender no.Quote:
Originally posted by run_GMoney
I don't think the IRA is faking surrender, using civilians as suicide bombers, or firing at US troops from a mosque. It's a different war over there.
The IRA uses civilians as proxy bombers to get bombs to locations and then detonate them.
They use civilians as much as possible so they have as little connection to things as possible.
The IRA assassinate people in their homes.
Its a different war yes, but the IRA are a paramility organization, and the US should learn from the UK troops.
You are right. The people in the WTC buildings too were stupid because they didn't see the planes coming and didn't vacate the buildings. They are solely responsible for their own deaths. Doesn't matter if they were in their own country. Doesn't matter if they were minding their own business. Doesn't matter if none of them was personally against the forces which caused the disaster. They are still responsible for their own deaths.Quote:
Originally posted by Xanith
No one is saying how great it is only because it is pretty clear to everyone what country has the political, economic, and military power on the planet at this time.
I don’t think my president has to apologize for every tragic event that occurs in a war. IF that were done in WWII the president would be on TV 24-7 just apologizing.
And if military forces from Iraq landed in the US and started killing civilians on purpose then yes that would make me angry. However if they landed and were in control of an area and inadvertently shot some civilians that ran a check point I would likely say how stupid the driver was when all they had to do to stay alive was hit the brakes.
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How does it feel now? :)
Obviously it's not a significant incident for the US soldiers to murder a whole family just because they were shi tting in their pants over a previous suicide attack. It is much more heroic to rescue a teenager Private from a hospital, so heroic that it invites praise from the President. Of course I forgot that private was a US citizen, and the dead people are Iraqis. How stupid of me!
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feels like ur an a$$hole... but we all knew that already..Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
You are right. The people in the WTC buildings too were stupid because they didn't see the planes coming and didn't vacate the buildings. They are solely responsible for their own deaths. Doesn't matter if they were in their own country. Doesn't matter if they were minding their own business. Doesn't matter if none of them was personally against the forces which caused the disaster. They are still responsible for their own deaths.
How does it feel now? :)
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besides your point is completly irrelivent to what he said in the first place.. it makes no sense what so ever
You continue to astound me. How much warning were the people in the WTC given? If they were told before hand that some idiots were going to fly an airliner into the twin towers, I doubt many people would have stayed. I can't believe you would even try to make that comparison...oh wait...it's not surprising at all
I don't see how it's not a comparison. The driver of that ill-fated vehicle probably was paranoid, couldn't hear the instructions because they were shouted in English, and probably didn't see the stop sign in time. Whatever is the case, the killing of that family is as horrible as the WTC disaster.Quote:
Originally posted by run_GMoney
You continue to astound me. How much warning were the people in the WTC given? If they were told before hand that some idiots were going to fly an airliner into the twin towers, I doubt many people would have stayed. I can't believe you would even try to make that comparison...oh wait...it's not surprising at all
Yeah, maybe the fact that only around 15 people were killed, and they were not US citizens makes a huge difference. I have already accepted that slip earlier :)
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i bet the warning shots were fired in english too.. yeah thats why they didn't stop... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
I don't see how it's not a comparison. The driver of that ill-fated vehicle probably was paranoid, couldn't hear the instructions because they were shouted in English, and probably didn't see the stop sign in time. Whatever is the case, the killing of that family is as horrible as the WTC disaster.
Yeah, maybe the fact that only around 15 people were killed, and they were not US citizens makes a huge difference. I have already accepted that slip earlier :)
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The driver may have panicked on hearing the shots, or he didn't even know why those shots were fired. Or had you trained him earlier to stop when he heard gunshots?Quote:
Originally posted by kleinma
i bet the warning shots were fired in english too.. yeah thats why they didn't stop... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And because he didn't step on the brakes when the soldiers fired, it is perfectly just to spray them with heavy gunfire and kill them, right? :)
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What about the signs posted in Arabic? But again, this comparison is completely off. That van was more than likely sent by Sadaam as a propaganda message that we're killing civillians. This is a far more likely scenario than the driver being paranoid, missing the signs posted in Arabic, not hearing the troops shouting, and not hearing or noticing any warning shots.
No we should have just let them drive their suicide bomb into a troop of American soldiers.Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
The driver may have panicked on hearing the shots, or he didn't even know why those shots were fired. Or had you trained him earlier to stop when he heard gunshots?
And because he didn't step on the brakes when the soldiers fired, it is perfectly just to spray them with heavy gunfire and kill them, right? :)
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Here's the latest on the incident...apparently I was somewhat correct about why they did it.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...3-26484762.htm
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Originally posted by honeybee
The driver may have panicked on hearing the shots, or he didn't even know why those shots were fired. Or had you trained him earlier to stop when he heard gunshots?
And because he didn't step on the brakes when the soldiers fired, it is perfectly just to spray them with heavy gunfire and kill them, right? :)
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if, maybe, possibly, may have, should have, would have
that is all your posts are filled with... do you know what happened for a SOLID FACT? nope you dont.....
do I??? nope I don't either.. but who started this thread anyway?? i forget..
ill respond to save honeybee some typingQuote:
Originally posted by Memnoch1207
Here's the latest on the incident...apparently I was somewhat correct about why they did it.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...3-26484762.htm
"The US is just covering up so they won't be blamed for shooting women and children for no reason. The US is evil. HAIL SADDAM!!!!"
Interestingly, there's no way to know exactly how many signs had been posted. I think there was only one sign in Arabic, because there's been no mention of "many signs". Then there's confusion about the warning shots too. One of the soldiers (I think a Captain) has used a lot of "expletives" to call the Platoon Commander who ordered a firing on the van about not being able to fire the warning shots in time, to which the commander has replied he fired them in time. So I think there's reason to believe the soldiers are not telling the complete truth either.Quote:
Originally posted by run_GMoney
What about the signs posted in Arabic? But again, this comparison is completely off. That van was more than likely sent by Sadaam as a propaganda message that we're killing civillians. This is a far more likely scenario than the driver being paranoid, missing the signs posted in Arabic, not hearing the troops shouting, and not hearing or noticing any warning shots.
And even then, you certainly can't go about killing people that Saddam or whoever else sent you. Might as well wipe out the entire Iraqi population if you like :)
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Honeybee, read the story...It totally defeats any argument you had about this situation.
lol... you are running out of material to argue your case on...Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Interestingly, there's no way to know exactly how many signs had been posted. I think there was only one sign in Arabic, because there's been no mention of "many signs". Then there's confusion about the warning shots too. One of the soldiers (I think a Captain) has used a lot of "expletives" to call the Platoon Commander who ordered a firing on the van about not being able to fire the warning shots in time, to which the commander has replied he fired them in time. So I think there's reason to believe the soldiers are not telling the complete truth either.
And even then, you certainly can't go about killing people that Saddam or whoever else sent you. Might as well wipe out the entire Iraqi population if you like :)
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but i am sure you are right.. i am sure no one curses in the military.. only when women and children are shot
No you're absolutely right, next time we'll just let them drive the suicide bomb right into a troop of allied soldiers.
Yeah, and where's that suicide bomb? :)Quote:
Originally posted by run_GMoney
No we should have just let them drive their suicide bomb into a troop of American soldiers.
Kleinma, thanks for saving my typing troubles. However, we know for a fact that about 15 civilians were killed by the US soldiers without provocation or engagement. They were not suicide bombers. I doubt if they had anything other than their fists to fight the soldiers. Also most of the occupants were women and children. I don't need to know how it happened, just like people like you don't want to know why 9/11 happened. Your thick president destroys two countries because 9/11 happened, not caring to know why it happened. I don't expect you to do anything different in this case. Long live humanity! :)
By the way, I hope that when this war ends (if it does) there are enough Iraqis left to be ruled.
And do show some mercy to the British, would you :D
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Well at least you got one fact correct in your post :)Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
How stupid of me!
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Ok, I'm resorting to name calling. YOU MORON!!! If they knew whether or not there was a bomb in that van, we would not be in this situation. Without provocation? They drove through the *****ING CHECKPOINT!! QUIT MAKING THE GOD DAMN 9/11 CONNECTION!!!! They intentionally killed civillians for retalliation. We have intentionally killed NO CIVILLIANS!!! Why do you continue to expose yourself like this?Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Yeah, and where's that suicide bomb? :)
Kleinma, thanks for saving my typing troubles. However, we know for a fact that about 15 civilians were killed by the US soldiers without provocation or engagement. They were not suicide bombers. I doubt if they had anything other than their fists to fight the soldiers. Also most of the occupants were women and children. I don't need to know how it happened, just like people like you don't want to know why 9/11 happened. Your thick president destroys two countries because 9/11 happened, not caring to know why it happened. I don't expect you to do anything different in this case. Long live humanity! :)
By the way, I hope that when this war ends (if it does) there are enough Iraqis left to be ruled.
And do show some mercy to the British, would you :D
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Hey HB why not post how upset you are at your government killing innocent civilians in Kashmir if your so concerned with the deaths of innocent people? Lets hear your outrage over that.
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Because things called facts, logic, and reason do not exist in Honeybee-land. Only blind hatred applies. Don't even bother trying to reason with the unreasonable. It’s a futile attempt indeed.Quote:
Originally posted by run_GMoney
Ok, I'm resorting to name calling. YOU MORON!!! If they knew whether or not there was a bomb in that van, we would not be in this situation. Without provocation? They drove through the *****ING CHECKPOINT!! QUIT MAKING THE GOD DAMN 9/11 CONNECTION!!!! They intentionally killed civillians for retalliation. We have intentionally killed NO CIVILLIANS!!! Why do you continue to expose yourself like this?
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Personally, I would like to hear what honeybee has to say on why the 9/11 attack happened.
I know Osama Bin Ladens stance on the western world...So, honeybee enlighten us and explain why 9/11 happened...And after you spew your propoganda, I'll tell you why it really happened and set the record straight.
Yah i saw that story too, and i noticed how you conveniently left out the part where the British vehicle fired upon the American plane:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Hmm.... But the Americans have better weapons, you see :)
And what do the British get in return for their better ability? Friendly fire casualties. I heard about a particularly funny (in a rather sick way) incident where a British armoured vehicle was attacked by a US aircraft, the survivor later said the vehicle carried the British flag and could have been easily identified as one, but the American pilot decided to play cowboy...
As for speculations as to what someone would have done in the situation, I am sure the situation itself wouldn't have arisen if the US forces had not invaded Iraq :rolleyes:
There's a saying in English: Don't start something you can't finish.
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Umm and exactly who would Bush be appologizing to? It's not like they would show it on Iraqi TV haha.Quote:
Originally posted by plenderj
You wouldn't be so hated if you didn't keep telling everyone how great your country was.
And yes it is war, but if you're trying to gain favour with a country that hates you anyway, the least you can do is apologize.
If the Iraqis shot an American family over there by accident there'd be a ****ing nuclear war.
So he should appologize to all the other nations around the world who have access to the "real" news? Exactly what should he appologize for? Maybe he could pass on his condolences to the familys of the dead, but appologize? nah... The guy who drove the van thru the check point should appologize.. or rather the fedeyeen who forced him to do it.