How exactly will leaving saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?

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Originally posted by Futt Bucker
:rolleyes: Another one of your fabulous statistics???

Where do you get this stuff from? Every one I've seen on here who against the war is against it for very solid reasons (such as unstabilising the reason and causing civil war, increased terrorist recruitment etc.)

Do yuo actually read anyone elses pojnt of view? Or do you just post away in the "knowledge" that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

There are times you know (like this) when neither answer may be right, and it's a question of picking the lesser of two evils.

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The reason it is easy to laugh at peace protesters is because there are a lot of people who are just like the girl in the MP3 at the top of this thread. They know nothing. You can argue that inspite of a war ultimately benefiting the Iraqi people, the presence of a US force in the region would destabalize the area, and start a much greater, much bloodier war. But you'll rarely, if ever, hear that argument. There is too much ignorance like that girl exhibits. If she were sure of herself, if she thought that war was ultimately wrong, she could have answered the man, she could have told him that leaving Saddam in power might not promote peace and justice in Iraq, but may avoid a much greater war. But obviously she has little knowledge of the situation, and was unable to make the argument. The fact that she made it onto radio (or TV) shows how many people there are like that.

You can at least hold a discussion, and answer a hard question. Most people who share your opinion can't.

I find it a shame that once again, anyone who doesn't agree with you, you consider as "ignorant". :rolleyes: [Sorry, that was aimed at Memnoch]

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Originally posted by Memnoch1207
Once again ignorance prevails...Saddam attacked Kuwait in 1991 because his economy was failing he was invaded Kuwait to steal it's riches (Look it up).
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Ah yes, and the US isn't attacking Iraq to distract attention from the home front where the US economy is failing?????

I'm giving up on trying to talk with you. I at least can understand that the Pro-War camp has some valid points, it's pointless discussing with you as you cannot even begin to comprehend what the Anti-War camp are saying. You keep coming back to "You don't want war at any cost/You're ignorant of the situation/You would rather leave Saddam in power" etc. I will state once more why I am anti-War - This war will cause more terrorism in the world! It will cause civil war in Iraq. Can you grasp that simple concept?

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Originally posted by nishantp
The reason it is easy to laugh at peace protesters is because there are a lot of people who are just like the girl in the MP3 at the top of this thread. They know nothing. You can argue that inspite of a war ultimately benefiting the Iraqi people, the presence of a US force in the region would destabalize the area, and start a much greater, much bloodier war. But you'll rarely, if ever, hear that argument. There is too much ignorance like that girl exhibits. If she were sure of herself, if she thought that war was ultimately wrong, she could have answered the man, she could have told him that leaving Saddam in power might not promote peace and justice in Iraq, but may avoid a much greater war. But obviously she has little knowledge of the situation, and was unable to make the argument. The fact that she made it onto radio (or TV) shows how many people there are like that.

You can at least hold a discussion, and answer a hard question. Most people who share your opinion can't.

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Thanks! Yeah, both sides have their blind idiots (Did someone say "Arc"?). I haven't listened to the MP3 (no speakers in work), but yeah, we see a lot of people who think this is about Oil, or finishing what his daddy started etc. I don't agree with any of those reasons.

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Originally posted by Futt Bucker
I find it a shame that once again, anyone who doesn't agree with you, you consider as "ignorant". :rolleyes:





Ah yes, and the US isn't attacking Iraq to distract attention from the home front where the US economy is failing?????

I'm giving up on trying to talk with you. I at least can understand that the Pro-War camp has some valid points, it's pointless discussing with you as you cannot even begin to comprehend what the Anti-War camp are saying. You keep coming back to "You don't want war at any cost/You're ignorant of the situation/You would rather leave Saddam in power" etc. I will state once more why I am anti-War - This war will cause more terrorism in the world! It will cause civil war in Iraq. Can you grasp that simple concept?

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Lol its funny how you make a boisterous statement on one account (suzzi), and then laugh it the reaction it gets from this account. Great job.

How is our economy failing?
From msnbc.com

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The Dow Jones industrial average surged more than 235 points Friday to record its best week in more than 20 years as the latest developments in the Iraq war bolstered investor confidence that the conflict could be resolved quickly and decisively.

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Want proof?
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You are basing you opinion on a civil war in iraq and promoting terrorism argument purely on speculation and emotion.

The real fact is no one really knows what effect this is going to have in any area until it's over.

a few million job losses can't be wrong eh ... :)

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Originally posted by Futt Bucker
:rolleyes: Another one of your fabulous statistics???

Where do you get this stuff from? Every one I've seen on here who against the war is against it for very solid reasons (such as unstabilising the reason and causing civil war, increased terrorist recruitment etc.)

Do yuo actually read anyone elses pojnt of view? Or do you just post away in the "knowledge" that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

There are times you know (like this) when neither answer may be right, and it's a question of picking the lesser of two evils.

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I think the after effects of this war will greatly reduce terrorist recruitment from the Middle East. The Iraqi people will see peace for the first time in years. Most of their population is starving and will be able to get food and medical supplies. I think in the end our helping this nation will come back to help us.

My 99.8% was just what I have personally seen. I don’t think there has been any kind of poll on this. I just never see anyone with any kind of valid argument that can be realistically viewed at. They either believe in some kind of conspiracy theory or ignore the reality of the problem. Just about every one of them I have seen tries to say their cause is in the name of peace.

War is about picking the lesser of the two evils. War is always evil; you just have to decide which one is worse.

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Originally posted by Futt Bucker
I find it a shame that once again, anyone who doesn't agree with you, you consider as "ignorant". :rolleyes: [Sorry, that was aimed at Memnoch]





Ah yes, and the US isn't attacking Iraq to distract attention from the home front where the US economy is failing?????

I'm giving up on trying to talk with you. I at least can understand that the Pro-War camp has some valid points, it's pointless discussing with you as you cannot even begin to comprehend what the Anti-War camp are saying. You keep coming back to "You don't want war at any cost/You're ignorant of the situation/You would rather leave Saddam in power" etc. I will state once more why I am anti-War - This war will cause more terrorism in the world! It will cause civil war in Iraq. Can you grasp that simple concept?

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Our economy was low because of the uncertainty of the war with Iraq for so long. Now that the uncertainty is over our economy is starting to rebound. Wars cost a lot of money and shift a country from a civilian type of economy to a military one. Investors don’t like such an uncertainty and the economy will always drop until they have a certainty in what is going on.

We are going to put in a democratic type of government in Iraq that will suit all the needs of the people. America is definitely the most ethnic split up country in the world and it does fine for us.

I definitely stand my ground when I say this will probably do more to reduce terrorism then anything we could ever do.

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Originally posted by Pc_Madness
They do, but that won't stop a country like America. In this situation though, I think everyone is aware the UN Security council process is at fault, not the US's eagerness to blow something up. :)

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Yeah but if America or its allies hide the killings of innocent people.

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Originally posted by Maven
I think the after effects of this war will greatly reduce terrorist recruitment from the Middle East.

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Yet again you prove you have no understanding of terrorism.
By occupying their country you will breed more and more terrorists than ever before.

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Originally posted by plenderj
Yet again you prove you have no understanding of terrorism.
By occupying their country you will breed more and more terrorists than ever before.

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Whos occupying someone?

The US and UK forces will have to occupy Iraq until they feel its safe to send in humanitarian aid.
And then god only knows how long it would take them to leave after that...

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Originally posted by plenderj
The US and UK forces will have to occupy Iraq until they feel its safe to send in humanitarian aid.
And then god only knows how long it would take them to leave after that...

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Humanitarian aid should be in Iraq, at the most, a week. :)

I think america haters are the reason for terrorism in america, so why do people hate america?

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Originally posted by kedaman
so why do people hate america?

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That is an issue which has never, and in my opinion, will never get the attention it deserves.
The most I've ever heard on it is because "they hate freedom".

well yeah, they tend to solve problems with their fists instead of their brain?

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Originally posted by kedaman
well yeah, they tend to solve problems with their fists instead of their brain?

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Kimi Raikkonen - the iceman - solves problems with a formula 1 car ;)

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Originally posted by Nightwalker83
The weapons inspectors haven't found any weapons so far. :rolleyes: :D

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Don't you know by now it's immaterial if Iraq has them or not? Iraq doesn't have proof they don't have them. We need proof, we don't need WMDs. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Maven
Our economy was low because of the uncertainty of the war with Iraq for so long. Now that the uncertainty is over our economy is starting to rebound. Wars cost a lot of money and shift a country from a civilian type of economy to a military one. Investors don’t like such an uncertainty and the economy will always drop until they have a certainty in what is going on.

We are going to put in a democratic type of government in Iraq that will suit all the needs of the people. America is definitely the most ethnic split up country in the world and it does fine for us.

I definitely stand my ground when I say this will probably do more to reduce terrorism then anything we could ever do.

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Good gracious! If you are educated, I must say the education system in the US is in shambles!! Have you heard of a term called "Economics" ?

I wonder who fed you the crap about uncertainty of war bringing down an economy and the war prospering it. If you seriously think the US economy is picking up because of war, it's all the more reason to doubt the US motives behind the war. After all the US companies have been asked to submit tenders for rebuilding Iraq, and I think the Iraqi people are going to pay for at least some of this rebuilding. Else the US government will find some way of making the other nations pay for its own profit.

And I suppose existence of WMDs in Iraq was the cause for Enron, WorldCom and the likes to go bankrupt?

Then there's the question of who gave you the right to decide what's good and what's bad for the Iraqis, and what makes you think a democratic government in Iraq will not meet the same fate as in Afghanistan.

The investors don't give a damn to the war because they know the US is going to win it, because Saddam simply doesn't have anything to match the US military, and because of the huge government spending on war and the post-war contracts in Iraq, many companies will actually prosper.

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