I don't think we'd go that far in $America$. Smoking helps the economy too much.
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I don't think we'd go that far in $America$. Smoking helps the economy too much.
true.. but all the things that those packs say.. people already know...Quote:
Originally posted by The Hobo
I don't think we'd go that far in $America$. Smoking helps the economy too much.
they should make cigarettes illegal and make weed legal... let all the cigarette companies transition their cigs to joints :D
Alright people this is absurd...Everyone knows smoking is the common cause of the following: Siphilus,anal warts, and of course...shark bites
I wrote a paper on the legalization of pot and what it'd do for the economy. From my perspective, working at a box office in a movie theatre in a melting pot community, we have a heavy number of high black people that come in and have the munchies.Quote:
Originally posted by kleinma
true.. but all the things that those packs say.. people already know...
they should make cigarettes illegal and make weed legal... let all the cigarette companies transition their cigs to joints :D
They go over to the stands and spend $30 buying nachos with "meat" and pizzas.
Pot is the best thing that's happened to some movie theatres.
Im going to sue each and every one of you who replied on this post for maing it so long to read.
I'll sue you for suing me and causing sever emotional trauma, stress and therefore making me lose my zeal for life.
They're planning one doing the same thing here.Quote:
Originally posted by maxl
You should see the packs here in Canada, they put pictures of organs messed up by cigarettes(lungs heart, etc.) it's not pretty!!.
Smokers are jokers the industry made it cool to smoke when younger, Parents objected and its become a rebel thing. Who benefits well the corporations you certainly don't!!!!!!
1 in 3 will die of lung cancer and thats because so many smoke, stop depressing me by not smoking :D
As for secondary smoke i recomend you put your head between your legs and blow it up your A***!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D
I don't think Phillip Morris makes them.Quote:
Originally posted by AirScape17
Isn't this enough warning?
These kind of cases make me want to school after I graduate....The lawyers in this case are making a fortune. Most law firms get something like 40% of the final reward. I would be rich.
See??? I'm right :)Quote:
Originally posted by rdove
These kind of cases make me want to school after I graduate....The lawyers in this case are making a fortune. Most law firms get something like 40% of the final reward. I would be rich.
Ah, justice!Quote:
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short term and only becuase you take breaks at the employers expense...Quote:
Increases concentration.
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Smokers support the economy by paying all those taxes, which *AHEM* some of us don't.
1) Financially stupid.Quote:
Smokers suffer from less stress, since they actually take a few breaks per day.
2) what about all those breaks your taking, technically all the other staff in the workplace have to work harder (more stress to others) to compensate so you should pay loads more tax in the first place nevermmind tax on smokes!
yep thats correct, your right, the hundreds of studies that have been completed by various medical sources are all wrong.Quote:
That bruhaha about second hand smoking is a lod of crap
well you need less stress to offset the stress that your internal organs are going through in order to compensate for all the extra toxins that your bodies having to deal with.Quote:
suffer from less stress, since they actually take a few breaks per day
yes, infact many :)Quote:
Ever seen a hacker or a real artist with a health shake?
until you get ill.... i rest my case :DQuote:
It's cool to smoke.
the point about smoking being not bad for your health is just as stupid as the idea that there is a safe leval of mercury, im talking about algaram fillings for teeth which contains mercury but some fool decided they were safe ? anyways its funny how smoking was deemed fine years ago just as algaram fillings are now...(well actually not by some/places)
The government allows us to smoke because it creates a great deal of revenue. The government also lies to us to increase taxes and then doesn't use the taxes for what they said they would.
Example: The lottery is supposed to generate funds for education. Well, the lottery does generate funds for education, but not additional funds. The funds the education system was already getting were taken away so it gets the same as it ever got. WHere is that money going now?
The last time taxes were increased on cigerettes almost double the price. They went from $16/carton to $30/carton in one tax hike.
Reason?
So when I get emphazema, is the government going to cover the costs of it using the tax dollars I've spent on cigarettes? I really doubt it. So where is that money really going?Quote:
To cover the increasing costs of smoking related illnesses.
Smoking is dangerous and deadly, but so is alcohol. The government doesn't care because it makes it rich.
The only good reason to smoke is because smoking makes you more attractive to the opposite sex. :)
http://www.paulkjohnson.com/truth/damn_smokers.htm
The only good thing about smoking is that it kills people. The more, the merrier.
You want to poison your body ? Hey, don't let me stop you. You're nowhere near me so I'm not bothered by it.
And if you are, I'll just shove that cigarette up there where the sun doesn't shine :)
That could be very dangerous as you could get an explosion, possibly even a curry one!!!!!!!!!! What a smell!!!!!!!!!Quote:
I'll just shove that cigarette up there where the sun doesn't shine
You can sit here all day chucking out reasons why you should or shouldn't smoke (leaving out the other side of the argument). The fact is, it's qualitative. I mean if you said "smoking is good because although it kills tens of thousands per year, it relieves my stress slightly for an hour", people would think you're mad. It might well be good for stress, but I'm sorry the qualitative conclusion on smoking is that the disadvantages usually outweigh the advantages.
Like Monsieur de la Pipp said, the only good thing about smoking is that it rids the world of a mostly arrogant and ignorant culture.
What happens in most cases where it is "advantageous" is that they smoker feels great at first. Hence the sentiment of it being good. Their opinion tends to change with the removal of a few lobes of their lungs because of cancer...Quote:
Originally posted by A$$Bandit
the disadvantages usually outweigh the advantages.
LOL!Quote:
Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Warning:
The Surgeon General Fails to warn you that non-smokers die every day
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i did not read this case, but the reason payouts have been so big is that....
the tobacco companies knew the cigarettes were addictive and they knew that they were also dangerous, but continued to sell them - without warnings. that was where they fu*ked up.
if in 20 years we find out that mobile phone companies knew that mobile phone radiation can give you cancer and they covered it up then they have endangered the public and should pay for it. since it is difficult to find individuals guilty and put them away the other option is to sue the company.
btw - i smoke and some days my lungs hurt, yes i am a fu*king idiot.
How so? The government makes billions on tax money charged on the sale of tobacco products. How much of it do you think they put back into treating tobacco-related illness, research or any other related expense? I'm sure it's a small fraction of the dollars they make.Quote:
Originally posted by sk8o
1) Financially stupid.
What breaks? Everywhere I ever worked everyone got the same breaks. Smokers weren't allotted extra breaks. How old are you? Have you ever had a job?Quote:
2) what about all those breaks your taking, technically all the other staff in the workplace have to work harder (more stress to others) to compensate so you should pay loads more tax in the first place nevermmind tax on smokes!
People like to quote facts that they've never actually researched themselves. Those "hundreds of studies" you mention never actually happened. A few studies have indicated that second-hand smoke is harmful through extended (many years) contact with a smoker such as working in a smoked filled environment or living with one. Since 99.999% of all work places do not allow smoking in common areas any more, this is no longer an issue. That leaves living with a smoker which is dangerous, I admit. Those people have a right to complain, but they should complain to the people they live with who smoke.Quote:
yep thats correct, your right, the hundreds of studies that have been completed by various medical sources are all wrong.
Studies showed no evidence that second hand smoke in free air areas has any effect on anyone else. I've actually looked at the studies. Have you or are you just quoting things that you've heard?
If you drive a car, your car puts out more deadly poisons and toxins in one drive to work than my smoking does in a year. When you go home again, that's another year. So in a couple months, you've created more deadly toxins in the environment than my smoking will in a lifetime. But it's always easier to point fingers at other people, isn't it?
If you're really concerned about your health then put your money where your mouth is. Stop buying products that are painted (all kinds of toxins put into the environment) or made of plastic (here's some stuff that's good for your health, right?) and stop driving a car. You can survive that way - a lot of people do it. But I'll bet you don't want to give up the conveniences these things offer.
I'm really tired of hearing people complain about the health risks that smokers present to them when they aren't willing to make changes to their own lifestyle that WOULD AFFECT THEM MORE than having any number of smokers quit.
I'm a smoker and to be honest, I really hate seeing butts all over the ground. But I'm also tired of seeing McDonalds wrappers all over the place. When a non-smoker sees a butt on the ground, they always say something like, "ALL smokers should have to clean these up." or something along the lines of punishment for ALL smokers. But they never say "every person who eats at McDonalds should have to clean these up."
For the record, I don't throw my butts on the ground. If there isn't a place to throw it away, then I field strip the butt and put it in my pocket until I find a garbage can to put it in.
By the way, smoking does not relieve stress... it causes stress. It also makes smokers more prone to having stess in the first place. Nicotine is a stimulant and all stimulants are stress producing.
When was the last time you heard this one:
"He went to the bar after work, had one smoke too many and went home and beat the crap out of his wife and kids?"
Or
"That auto accident was caused by someone who smoked one too many? (we're talking about tobacco here)."
Pop Quiz time:
Note: It doesn't matter if you answer any of these questions correctly. Nothing will change no matter how you feel about it.Quote:
What is the most abused and most dangerous drug in the world today? Why is it legal? Why isn't everyone up in arms about the number of people who die at the hands of people who use it? Why isn't it being taxed as highly as tobacco? Why are far safer drugs such as marijuana illegal while thousands of people die every year as a direct result of this one drug?
All your whinging matters little. I fail to see why I have to drive the extra miles to find a restaurant that isn't smoke filled and pay for the extra petrol just to accomodate your right to filth.
Fook that. Go smoke somewhere else and let me enjoy my steak.
That's why I greatly applaud the incentive to ban smoking from all public places. I don't care how much you can smoke and how it doesn't affect anyone, I like my food and drink clean and as I ordered it. I don't need the extra tar layer on my plate, thank you very much.
Smoke if you must but not in my vicinity or I'll stuff the damn cancer stick down your throat.
Reasons Why We Hate 2nd Hand Smoke:
1) Smoke Smells
2) Potentially Can Damage Our Health
3) Causes US (Not YOU) To Choke
4) Creates an uncomfortable atmosphere
I dont ask you not to smoke i just ask that you dont smoke and cause discomfort to others by blowing smoke away from you and onto others!!!!!!
Ill tell you another think that really pisses me off, Mobile Phones Constantly Ringing
Reasons Why
1) Quote "Tut Not Another Call" Well Switch THE FU**ING THING OFF
2) Noisy and used by many as a status simbol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3) Quote "Ill See You In A Minute" What Was The Point Of The Dam Call
4) If They Are Proven To Cause Dangerous Side Effects Does That Mean I Am Being Damaged By Others!!!!!!!!!
5) Driving with mobile in one Hand And one Hand On The Wheel (HHmmmmm because i trust you to stop before going headlong into the back of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: )
I agree with you Wally. I don't think anyone should have to inhale someone else's smoke. That's a Europe thing though. In America, most restaurants don't have smoking sections any more.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
All your whinging matters little. I fail to see why I have to drive the extra miles to find a restaurant that isn't smoke filled and pay for the extra petrol just to accomodate your right to filth.
Fook that. Go smoke somewhere else and let me enjoy my steak.
That's why I greatly applaud the incentive to ban smoking from all public places. I don't care how much you can smoke and how it doesn't affect anyone, I like my food and drink clean and as I ordered it. I don't need the extra tar layer on my plate, thank you very much.
Smoke if you must but not in my vicinity or I'll stuff the damn cancer stick down your throat.
Here most of restaurants have seperate areas :rolleyes:
One: you have to part company or put up with the smoke and two : the smoke drifts in most places over to the non-smoking area anyway so why bother ?
Restaurant owners are afraid to ban it altogether because then they stand to lose customers and yadda yadda yadda.
Loadsabollocks I say. Are you running a restaurant or a tobacco shop ? Morons ...
You should not be able to smoke where food is being served because its a horrible smell and can put you off your food!!!!!
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Hear, hear.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
All your whinging matters little. I fail to see why I have to drive the extra miles to find a restaurant that isn't smoke filled and pay for the extra petrol just to accomodate your right to filth.
Fook that. Go smoke somewhere else and let me enjoy my steak.
That's why I greatly applaud the incentive to ban smoking from all public places. I don't care how much you can smoke and how it doesn't affect anyone, I like my food and drink clean and as I ordered it. I don't need the extra tar layer on my plate, thank you very much.
Smoke if you must but not in my vicinity or I'll stuff the damn cancer stick down your throat.
That's one good piece of speech, Wally :)
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I wish Thunder Bay Ontario Canada (where i live) would follow ottowas lead and ban smoking in public places. Unfortunately a huge percentage of the population here smokes :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Here most of restaurants have seperate areas :rolleyes:
One: you have to part company or put up with the smoke and two : the smoke drifts in most places over to the non-smoking area anyway so why bother ?
Restaurant owners are afraid to ban it altogether because then they stand to lose customers and yadda yadda yadda.
Loadsabollocks I say. Are you running a restaurant or a tobacco shop ? Morons ...
I live in Ottawa. The ban caused an outcry from bars and restaurants, and as i understand it, some temporarily lost significant amounts of business. That was enough to drive some smaller restaurants out of business, but the ones who survived gradually regained business. People still eat and drink after all.
As I understand it, the city of Ney York is in the process of implementing their own smoking ban, and they even asked for a one of our city councellors to visit and advise them based on his experience in Ottawa.
Personally, I'm for the ban, but for purely selfish reason. I appreciate not having to inhale smoke in restaurants. However, i understand how inconvenient it could be for smokers. They can't exactly quit overnight.
coming from a smoker, I have no problem If smoking is banned indoors. I personally hate breathing in smoke while I eat unless It is from a Mesquite grill with a huge rack of BabyBack Ribs on it. I dont even smoke indoors at home. I do get very pissed at the outdoor non smoking sections. There is a public park here that is completly non smoking. The parents in the childrens playground were worried that the smoke would blow across the 2 lane highway and give their babies cancer. That sort of stuff pisses me off. Now I can't fish, drink and smoke at the same time 2 miles from the dumb asses and their dumb babies. :mad:
Master Blaster:
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The parents in the childrens playground were worried that the smoke would blow across the 2 lane highway and give their babies cancer. That sort of stuff pisses me off. Now I can't fish, drink and smoke at the same time 2 miles from the dumb asses and their dumb babies.
I Agree That Is Excessive and an attitude like that by people will just force smokers to do it anyway. A balance is needed and both sides need to compromise!!!
I quit smoking cold-turkey almost exactly 1 year ago. I had smoked for 26 years. My wife has never smoked, and hassled me alot about it for the first 7 or so years of our marriage. I invented some really neat ways to hide it from her, and snuck out alot. Her attitude just made me want to smoke more :). Finally, she quit bugging me about it 8 or so years ago, and last year I finally felt ready to quit and did. I'm not now one of these ex-smokers who hates smoking. It has its place. Point(s)?
1) If you don't want to quit then don't.
2) If you smoke, try to be considerate of others who don't.
3) Ditto if you don't smoke.
4) If you feel deep down inside that you want to and/or should quit, you can. It IS possible. The first couple of months are a b*tch, but then you're home free.
5) The final decision should be yours alone and no one else's.
Do I feel better?? In some ways yes, and some ways no. The morning coughs and occasional chest pains are gone. I can now get VERY close to my wife :) without always having to clean up first.
I miss smoking sometimes cause I actually liked to smoke, and it was such a big part of my life. My short-term concentration is down a bit sometimes but is improving.
Just some hopefully helpful insight from a recent quitter.
Part of the problem is that some people who smoke dont grasp how disgusting indoor smoking can be. If you are a smoker who sees nothing wrong with smoking indoors, just think of a tobacco chewer walking into your home and spitting on you, your floor, your walls, your wife, your children, ... :D
Smoke if you want (do try to understand the risks though), but try no to hold it against non smokers when they dont want to be in the vicinity when you light up.
... right, but the number one reason not to smoke is:Quote:
Originally posted by The Hobo
I never really understand smoking. I always mocked people for it. Never really saw the point.
Costs a lot of money
Makes you stink
Turns your teeth and nails yellow
Can cause handfulls of diseases
Wastes your time that you would have wasted elsewhere.
you don't have your mom and dad all day picking on you to give it up.
You are either somebody with experiance of a parent who is giving somebody this experiance :D :D :D :D :D :D
Yes, I was a former smoker a few years ago and decided to quit just not to stand any longer my mom trying to talk me out of it every 2 hours.
But I'll give you another reeason that contributed quite a bit, too: I was always running out of matches or gas for my lighter or running out of money and my smoker friends were regarding me as some sponger.
The lesson of the above post is:
It's good to have a job.
Smoking is the perfect way of commiting suicide.
If you want a long drawn out death and is a pefect way to get back at the local health authorities and medical insurance companies
What annoys me is in the UK we have a health service that is free (Other than tax). When people smoke they should accept that it is killing them, but oh no when they suddenly become ill they sponge off the health service and moan about how bad it is. Its because of people like them that it is so bad, old people did not know at the time it was that dangerous but young people today do know it and still insist on killing themselves and then demanding help from doctors who cant do anything and have already told them to stop.
The woman who won loads of money from a ciggerette company is just a sad loser who doesnt want to take responsibility for her own actions and blames somebody else. As far as we know this may be the only life we get so why the f*** waste it and shorten it by smoking expensive and dangerouse chemicals!!!!!!
NEVER EVER BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE IF YOU DIE BECAUSE OF SMOKING, YOU KNOW THE RISKS AND IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND STUPIDITY THAT GETS YOU THERE.
P.s Dont even get me started on drug users they are a **** and a half bunged into a pea sized brain!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Cigarettes are good for your sex drive. They release endorphines that increase your concentration which in turn enables you to operate a vehicle whilst you get a blowjob.
Also the nicotine is good for impotence. Lots of smokers suffer from it. But the nicotine afterwards takes away the stress so that's good !