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PsyVision mate, the page you specify is down at the moment. See what i was saying about freebie web accounts :D
Anyway, how old are ya, and where are ya besed (country wise, i aint asking for a specific street address :))
when i get the time in a few eeks I will make a proper project web site for this thing. Wicked.
Laterz
REM
p.s. I really think we should arrange to chat somewhere sometime, as this thread is getting quite long... :)
Sorry Guys,
I'm Richard Caunt from England U.K. running on G.M.T +00 hours, i'm 14 years old.
The web site for me is at:
http://psyvision.members.easyspace.com/
And for the chat picture and link(Friday):
http://psyvision.members.easyspace.c...orld/index.htm
This should work but is new so the server has to register it.
Or why don't we ask John if we can keep it on Vb-world?
Have you asked, when shall we meet for a chat ?
Nope haven't asked, but I will now.
John, do you want to do this idea?
Thats very good, but you have to say it to him!
there is another...imesh.com...kind of dumpy site...deals with apps and whatevers..movies...porn...not a recommendation but it's the same deal as Napster..share files...instead of having files too large to email you upload them and people share them....you might want to look at it to see what you might come up against.
when we meet ?
so what have you guys decided upon?
I'm trying to arrange a chat but no one is ever on, goto:
http://psyvision.members.easyspace.c...orld/index.htm
And get the chat software, client, then we have to meet up
Sorry I didn't weigh in earlier, I've been out of town. I
hate to be another one against this project because I would
like to encourage code sharing as well.
BUT, let's look at how Napster works:
When it enocounters a song on your computer, it checks the
database on Napster to see if the song exists. If it does,
then it adds your machine as a possible host for this song.
If the song does not exist, then it is added to the Napster
database with your machine as the only host (thus giving
many multiple entries when titles don't exactly match.)
Now, consider what you're proposing:
You want to share many lines of code, EACH LINE HAVING
INFORMATION THAT COULD BE A POSSIBLE SEARCH KEY. Say for
example you searched for a code snippet on using the
GetDeviceCaps API call. Presumably, you'd want to find
any example which used it, not just ones called
"GetDeviceCaps example" or something similar.
Here's the point:
What you really want to do is a full-text search of the
available code so that the user can not only locate the
string GetDeviceCaps, but can locate it in the proper
context.
So:
If you're going to set up a server which is running a
full-text catalog of all this code on all of our machines,
then it is already housing the full-text of the code! No
need to go look for it on our individual machines to
complete the transaction. (This, of course, is just a
web-based code warehouse).
Still with me?:
Let me make an analogy to Napster, which is where we started
this discussion in the first place. What you're proposing
to do is NOT as similar to Napster as it seems. You're not
just asking "Find a machine with Layla on it"; instead your
asking "Find that cool piano solo in E-flat which is about
two minutes long in a classic rock song". The server could
answer the first one using a catalog. To answer the second,
it would need to have the actual song.
One more thing:
Don't forget, one of the main motivations for the
architecture that Napster used was LEGAL, not technological.
Napster wanted to be sure that music files were not being
passed directly through their servers because that would
clearly be in violation of the artist's copyrights.
If I can help then I'll help, but I think you've got some
serious issues to resolve on this one...
Thanx for listening.
John
Yeah, but what if the user removes the code from his computer
I did. Notice I said John, do you want to do this idea? But I suppose you're right. I don't think he reads these threads.Quote:
Originally posted by PsyVision
Thats very good, but you have to say it to him!
What we could do is make a program that makes databases of codes.. we can let the user download a database with the program which includes some usefull codes, and then what you could do is let the user add new code into the database and when he/she gets online, you can see what new code they have by reading the database and reading the title and description of the code from the database on their computer... I don't know if you get what I"m saying or not... if you don't understand, then I'll try to present a example...
let's say I make a directx code that changes resolution of the computer...
now I copy that code, and goto the program that REM made, and paste it there and give it a title and description and press save, and it'll save it in a predefined database, now this user goes online and while he's online you can download his snipet of code or whatever....
OK THAT IDEA IS DUMB AND STUPID! DAMN...
If useres submit their own code it should have one title to view by but then eachfile should have another .ini that has keywords of what the code is so if it saved a picture you could have keywords as
Picture
Savepicture
See ?
I think users should be able to submit their own code but for error checking and to stop them removing the code on the website for the program we could have an upload page check http://www.hypertony.co.uk for this style thing, this code then comes to us we check it through our team of members and then it gets published after we give it a suitable title so others can find it, this also stops users from putting stuff called '**** Me' etc onto the program, the app should also have a bit to show which users are online and a chat feature where you can exchange code with a special file transfer thing. there could also be admin (us) who look for twats that piss with our software.
How bout a chat sometime and get this sorted and get some ideas from our brains and into that computer ?
I like the ideas given here. However I have some of my own ideas also that might interest u guys.
1. We need a centralized meeting place. Like a webring with a chat room or bulletin board. Now I am sure we can find a free place for this.
2. I don't like the idea of napster or any other program that searches your hard drive. I am sure someone will shortly make another program to change napster so that people can hack your computer using it.
3. Has anyone considered going to online sources for servers and see if they want to make a deal with this group for a server.
4. I believe it would be better if we keep this mostly web based. It would make it easier to manage the codes being sent to us. It would also make it more secure against hackers on others computers.
5. Has anyone considered using CGI on a web site for a online search engine of codes. We would have to have them fill out a form for each piece of code. We would also have to have requirements on documentation and notification to the person that submitted the code on whether or not we are putting the code into the database.
6. any program that you can create and use to search hard drives would have to keep large files on that persons hard drive. this might not be a very good idea, because some a lot of people dont have very large hard drives. mine is only 1 gig and i dont have the money to upgrade.
7. I am willing to help with this program but the group will have to come to mutual understanding on the legalitiy of this so that no one gets sued years later if this does become popular.
Hi crew, been away for a couple of days, but good to see people still interested :)
Anywayz, i just want ot make my idea for this app clear, as many people seem to have different visions of what the app is 'going' to be like...
1. The program comes in the form of a client that connects to a web database of code and gets a list of available files and articles, alternatively, the user can browse the database, looking at individual files, or downloading them when they wish. The user will also have the option of synchronising whole folders etc.
2. The code that will be featured on the archive WILL be moderated, so we don't get rubbish sample code, or repeats etc. This will ensure a quality database for serious VB Programmers.
3. All code that is submitted will be public domain. We don't even need to touch all the legal **** surrounding napster (Unless Dr. Dre and Metallica enjoy a bit of programming in VB every now and then :), in that case were screwed :))
4. The app will be in a way similar to napster, but not exact. When i initially posted the idea, i just wanted to share what i had, which is a vision of a huge database ocntaining professional searchable source code.
Anywayz, i hope this has cleared things up a little bit. BTW, we need to organise a chat sometime. Email me.
Laterz
REM
Well its a nice idea. But if code on sites like
planet-source-code is below par and sometimes just plan wrong what would keep all the little home servers from having crap code also. And with it all spread out like that there would be no way to control the quality or validity of the code being offered. I would think a website would be the best way to go. Just a search page with a huge bank of code for download on its server. And have it so people could add there site to the search as well. And the search would go though there site as well. That way you could filter out crap at least to some extent. And to make it more handy like napster have a little app that anyone can download and use and it would search the database of the site from a local PC so you would not have to go to the site to search for code. You would not have to connect to the net but not have to open up a browser to search for the code.
Anyways Reply on this idea if you like. It makes more sense to me. It might to you.
Okay, now we have it sorted:
A database on the web that we all can log onto and look at, when shall we chat, weekdays i'm free after nine, weekends all day if i'm home ?
Hi,
If it isn't too late, I'd like to help in developping the program. I don't like to brag about my skills, but I have about 10 years experience in Basic.
I downloaded the chat prog, but it seems my Winsock version is out of date. Where can I find the newest version?
[Edited by Bart on 06-10-2000 at 07:29 PM]
I created the program and so i can give you the winsock file that i used for it ?
This program also uses other DLL files you won't have, on the chat site there will be a new link called dll files, you will need to download this file and then register the .dll files with Regsvr32.exe, okay!
sophtware:
you don't need to do all that messing around with your
register to get back on Napster......just remove (move) the Metallica songs and you are back in business...
Have fun!
lads, get this sorted, we need to chat now !!!
Do we have a site where we can chat about this?
http://www.rickard.net/scripts/chat.cgi
A chat place no one else uses, check it and arrange a date and time
Anyone for Tomorrow at 7:00pm EST?
I cannot get on until 9.00pm G.M.T weekdays but all day weekend, i say it should be at weekend as more people will be home and less messed after work, school etc
I can make the chat anytime after 6.00pm on weekdays and all weekend. Remember though, my time is GMT, and not Pacific time... Seen as PsyVision would prefer weekends, how about Saturday, 9.00 PM GMT, in that chat place he detailed?
Laterz
REM
I can make that, who else can make it
I could probably make it at Saturday. How do you convert GMT to EST?
You subtract 5 hours from the GMT Time...
that's why our time difference is -5:00 when we choose time zones...
Okay. Time to be rude.
The napster idea is stupid.
This whole idea is stupid.
Stop wasting board space.
The two logical and best ideas are:
Web board(like this), or database.
P.S.
Napster is the stupidest program ever created. It's even worse than PsyVision's chat program. ;) Napster is slow, buggy, badly designed, and risky. Well, you have my reasons. I think i'll leave it at this.
I know wy that ain't wokin, you all missin a dll
Count me in. I've got lots of neat bits of code that I'll share.
And that's why it's so popular?Quote:
Napster is the stupidest program ever created
DiGiTaIErRoR, if you haven't got something good to say about this topic, and if you're so concerned about board space, then don't bloody post in response to this thread.
People are doing this loads on the board recently... I mean, someone has an idea, and instead of offering positive encrouragement and feedback, people just take the piss and get all offensive on the topic. What's going on?
Laterz
REM
BTW, I don't think Napster is ****, and neither do the people that use it. Again, as in the other posts on Microsoft, evertything comes down to jealousy, eh people? :)
People who say MS is trash are using their products, as with Napster. Probably 99% of the people who say it sucks use it.
I'm just trying to help here. This isn't about the actual program itself, but if you guys want a server give this guy an e-mail:
[email protected]
he created his own multiplayer game, and its pretty cool, and he gets servers from somewhere, but not sure where. Give him an email and see if he can help you get started looking for servers and stuff.