YEAH! thats right! Dis me in any way you can without addressing my point.
Bloody Imperialists! :mad:
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YEAH! thats right! Dis me in any way you can without addressing my point.
Bloody Imperialists! :mad:
Look feller, if you want to play silly buggers and offer snippets of sun-reader wisdom like you did in your first post, you're going to get insulted, if not by me by someone else. That's why I called you a ****, because IMO, your comment deserved it. And I would say it to you again, every time.Quote:
For some reason you have decided to have a go at me personally, I don't know why, but if you have a hidden reason please tell.
Peeman - No, not the general populous, but the most visible in media terms. And that affects other country's perceptions of us.
Rino - It's a British disease. No Europeans manage it quite to the extent that we do...
Paying homage to the patron saint of England should be a holy day.
We should all learn from the annointed as they truly bask in God's radiance!
Blessed are we who follow in his shadow. :)
Pure literary genius. Nearly up to Sun reader status.Quote:
Look feller, if you want to play silly buggers and offer snippets of sun-reader wisdom
Huh, contradiction for my own question really. I was sat with a firend of mine (Scottish guy) in 'respectable' Red-Light district pub, watching people trekking up'n down the road....we commented almost at thesame time ho you could spot a brit a mile-away, not quite sure what it is but their deportment, manner, almost an arrogant air, borne by the male of the species seems to predicate the fact that they're 'british', its not even a style of clothing per-say, simply a loutishness. Now I'm gonna go one step further with this and ask if anyone believes this kind of sleeve-borne Nationalism to be a product of class ? That may make me out to be a snob, perhaps, but I'm not sure how many middle-class (if there is such an entity ????) louts you see about....
Peeman.....oh !
Uh-oh. Peeman's opened a whole new can of worms... :p
:confused: My quote or yours?Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
Pure literary genius. Nearly up to Sun reader status.
We had a court case up here recently, concerning organised violence after a Newcastle vs Sunderland game.Quote:
but I'm not sure how many middle-class (if there is such an entity ????) louts you see about
One of the defendants was a solicitor and another an accountant.
Don't know if this proves anything, but it did worry me.
:) simple question.....:pQuote:
Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
Uh-oh. Peeman's opened a whole new can of worms... :p
I originally meant yours, but I suppose mine was below Sun reader status as well.Quote:
Originally posted by Gaffer
:confused: My quote or yours?
Archy
What is it, exactly, that St George did to become a saint? Other than kill a dragon of course...Quote:
Paying homage to the patron saint of England should be a holy day.
PeeMan
There are plenty of midle class xenophobes around - they're just a bit more furtive and less obvious in their methods. I'm not sure but isn't Nick Griffin of the BNP from a middle class background?
Granted, some of the ring-leaders of such violence etc will like-as not be professionals but I'm more asking about the culture that is labelled as Nationalistic ??? Why is labelled thus ? Additionally, why do we associate arrogance and noxious peronalities with being British ? IS that a reaction to other cultures fundamental hatred ? Or is that why some cultures have developed that fundamental hatred ? Where does this take us when (and no slight intended here) Rino's sig used to contain (and did so for a long time) such comments as "I support anyone who beats the English" or somesuch ???Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
We had a court case up here recently, concerning organised violence after a Newcastle vs Sunderland game.
One of the defendants was a solicitor and another an accountant.
Don't know if this proves anything, but it did worry me.
Chicken & Egg ?? Which came first ??
I thought mine was OK :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
I originally meant yours, but I suppose mine was below Sun reader status as well.
I reckon it's all class independent - it's just the methodology that is different.
Expect y'er right, but Xenophobia is an inherrent extreme of Nationalism anywhere. That is not particular to being British, equally the Irish are more agressively patriotic than we are. I have had many a cause to encounter out and out Racism there disguised as Nationalism, not particularly directed at British people either. For my money, the general populous of the UK are far mre tollerant and accepting than other races, hence my question, has History made us hated thus we are reacting, or is the populous that bad that other nations have just-cause ???Quote:
Originally posted by RSINGH
PeeMan
There are plenty of midle class xenophobes around - they're just a bit more furtive and less obvious in their methods. I'm not sure but isn't Nick Griffin of the BNP from a middle class background?
FATBOYPEE
I believe you're confusing two different types of people here.
On the one hand, you've got your average lager drinking yob and on the other you've got your professional hooligan who latches on to football crowds, demonstrations or anything else they can to get into some serious violence.
It's a bit like fight club isn't it, really?
I think there should be a legimate outlet for such violence so that they would not inflict it on normal people. Charge people to come and watch a big punch up in a stadium and that will pay for the hospitalisation of the casualties that emerge.
When you see BNP marches on the telly, the nutters in the Doc Martens and braces aren't interested in the politics or the right and wrongs within the debate.
They just want trouble. Few, if any, of them are capable of stringing together a coherent sentence let alone doing any organisation.
But football violence is different. At St James park some of the most vitriolic, foul-mouthed idiots have good jobs, some of them professionals.
Oh Dear God! This looks like me and Gaffer are agreeing about something.Quote:
I reckon it's all class independent - it's just the methodology that is different.
I do believe we share the same opinion (and not just about GlenWanker) just yours is more Welsh:cool:Quote:
Originally posted by rinoaheartilly
Yup
Nope, we don't get a day off for Dewi Sant
Because it's rebellion. We were once taken over by the Saes (english) like the Irish and Scottish, and most other countries in the world, so then, it was like saying that we won't change for you or anyone else, unlike the irish and scots, we're gonna keep our language alive.
Simon, Thing is, I'm not sure I am ?? Football Hooligans, why choose football ? why not Rugby, Tennis, Bowls ???Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
FATBOYPEE
I believe you're confusing two different types of people here.
On the one hand, you've got your average lager drinking yob and on the other you've got your professional hooligan who latches on to football crowds, demonstrations or anything else they can to get into some serious violence.
It's a bit like fight club isn't it, really?
I think there should be a legimate outlet for such violence so that they would not inflict it on normal people. Charge people to come and watch a big punch up in a stadium and that will pay for the hospitalisation of the casualties that emerge.
My personal opinion here is that the outlet given by hooligansim is a reaction to a primitive need/drive to belong to something meaningful (in their eyes), a clannish, war-like belonging. This void used to be filled by belief systems (and no, I'm not raising this for debate here :) ) and now the people involved in these kinds of activities need that kind of belonging, is it sheer boredom, depression, naievety , wot ? that drives it, I dunno, but it's seem as a face of Nationalism whaever it's guise or level. I'm simply asking whether or not the bitterness that seem to be prevalent in this behaviour is active or reactive to cultures 'dissing' for want of another word what it is to be British. Is it a legacy of our history that makes us thus asa nation by the empirical attitude or the desire of other nations to never let us forget the errors of of our ancestors ???
Watch it Geordie ;):p
At least Gaffer has the balls to direct his comments at me.Quote:
Originally posted by gravyboy
I do believe we share the same opinion (and not just about GlenWanker) just yours is more Welsh:cool:
Nope, you're not an antagonistic little ****** are you . . . ?
*IGNORE*
I'll take some small comfort from that excuse for a post.
Little boys can be so confusing at times.:rolleyes:
Got to go now.:(
Gaffer, I guess I've got to give this one to you, but I shall return.:)
Good grief, a small piss-take has turned into a full-on handbags-at-dawn session.
Jesus, what a lot of fuss about nothing.
Harry, please do NOT take the lord's name in vain.
You would do well to walk into the light.
Must be the heat - what with us all stuck in offices on such a glorious day.Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Good grief, a small piss-take has turned into a full-on handbags-at-dawn session.
Jesus, what a lot of fuss about nothing.
sorry, but the offending comment deserved to be challanged. Read it again. I see no winks/smilies etc.
Archy, just shut the f*** up and leave me alone. I'm not interested in your bullsh** cliches. At least keep it to your own threads.
Gaff, I have read it and to he honest I can just imagine myself saying the same thing. Dry humour. That's what it seemed like to me. A little ribbing. Provokative, yes, but we're almost all a bit provokative at times in here. It keeps things 'interesting'. We're all big boys and girls and we can take a joke, surely? Now maybe you read it differently to me, but still, you did call the guy a ****. What do you expect to get in return?
It's like listening to the girls when I was at school, where two of them fell out over something miniscule and suddenly they were mortal enemies. It's just petty.
Happy St. Georges Day everyone!!! :) :) :)
I was beginning to think I was the only person who knew what day it is cos no one else seemed to know :)
I think it's a case of reading different from you.
Anyway, if that's supposed to be funny, I'm losing my well-fed sense of humour. If it's a little ribbing, I responded aptly.
Maybe I need a break from this place :(
Not you too!!!!!!!!!If you guys keep leaving all that will be left are little kids with no sense of humor!! Please, for my sake, hang around!!
No don't go Gaffer :(
Have a haircut Gaf, your brain must be at least 45°C under that barnet :p
I promise to use lots more smileys in future:) :) :) :)Quote:
Originally posted by Gaffer
I think it's a case of reading different from you.
Anyway, if that's supposed to be funny, I'm losing my well-fed sense of humour. If it's a little ribbing, I responded aptly.
Maybe I need a break from this place :(
:) :) :) :) :) :)
I think everyone is missing the whole point here.
Scots use St. Andrews day as an excuse for a piss-up.
The Irish use St. Patricks day as an excuse for a piss-up. (Er, actually and so do the scots, but thats another story).
I'm not sure if we've ever intentionally used St. Davids day as an excuse for a piss-up, but I'm sure if we thought of it we would.
Therefore, I think it's safe to say that Scotland would fully support making St. Georges day a national holiday, if for no other reason than to go to the boozer. In fact, I'm going to phone my dad now and we'll head off down the pub to start the celebrations.
SD
P.S. As for Nationalistic pride, I think most English are proud to be English (???), just the same as Scots are proud to be Scots. I think this is different from flag waving, anthem signing and generally embarresing yourselves.
P.P.S. Don't think that Scots wear the kilt because of national pride. I can guarantee you that if you're out on the town and you are wearing a kilt you are going to get laid. Thats it. Trust me on this, it works. ;)
It's Rinoa DAMMIT! Lol, or Vicky :) Very true!Quote:
Originally posted by Gaffer
Rino - It's a British disease. No Europeans manage it quite to the extent that we do...
Nah, we don't really use it as an excuse, it's been a religious holiday more than anything. So, would wearing a kilt work for me too?Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
I think everyone is missing the whole point here.
Scots use St. Andrews day as an excuse for a piss-up.
The Irish use St. Patricks day as an excuse for a piss-up. (Er, actually and so do the scots, but thats another story).
I'm not sure if we've ever intentionally used St. Davids day as an excuse for a piss-up, but I'm sure if we thought of it we would.
Therefore, I think it's safe to say that Scotland would fully support making St. Georges day a national holiday, if for no other reason than to go to the boozer. In fact, I'm going to phone my dad now and we'll head off down the pub to start the celebrations.
SD
P.S. As for Nationalistic pride, I think most English are proud to be English (???), just the same as Scots are proud to be Scots. I think this is different from flag waving, anthem signing and generally embarresing yourselves.
P.P.S. Don't think that Scots wear the kilt because of national pride. I can guarantee you that if you're out on the town and you are wearing a kilt you are going to get laid. Thats it. Trust me on this, it works. ;)
Two words.Quote:
Originally posted by rinoaheartilly
Nah, we don't really use it as an excuse, it's been a religious holiday more than anything. So, would wearing a kilt work for me too?
Tartan Miniskirt.
It certainly works on me any time. (Er, I mean I'm attracted to girls wearing them, not that I wear one myself)
Er, actually any sort of mini-skirt..........
Or do you mean would you be attracted to a man in a kilt? I don't know, but if you are, you can quickly check out his statistics ;)