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Balkan situation or every other crisis where multi-national forces are preferred
When has a multi-national force actually worked, within the last 20 years?
Any large organisation is prone to inefficiency, it's almost a law of nature. The US Military is large and will on occasions fcuk up and/or not be very effective but it's not like they set out to screw up
Hence the need of a clearer structure, not scorn.Quote:
Originally posted by GlenW
When has a multi-national force actually worked, within the last 20 years?
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
The US Military is large and will on all occasions fcuk up
The structure is clear.Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Hence the need of a clearer structure, not scorn.
One problem - One force.
Not a mish-mash bits and pieces cluster****
not quite what I said but probably closer to the truth ;)
I think their problem is that they think they are judged on how many Aircraft carriers they've got (12 incidently), not the quality of their troops. Which is curious.
And what will that one force be ? UK troops ?
We'll soon have rows of UK representatives in the EU parliament lamenting that the other EU members are unwilling to assist.
Bash me on the head if you'd like,
but Tony Blair = brownnoser for the US.
therefore, UK tags along with the US.
I doubt if it'd make any commitments.
very true Mr. Smoking Frog, but we all know he gets sexual favours from Bush's daughters in return
Unfortunately very true.Quote:
Originally posted by mendhak
Bash me on the head if you'd like,
but Tony Blair = brownnoser for the US.
therefore, UK tags along with the US.
I doubt if it'd make any commitments.
But it hasn't always been that way.
A Cross!Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Well ...
they've proven to be unable to distinguish between a roof with a giant red cross painted atop of it and one with the cross NOT painted atop of it :rolleyes:
Doh!
I thought it was a Giant Red X!
:D
I don't see why people are slagging the French. After all the Foreign Legion is one of the toughest in the world. Oh, hang on, that's made up of everyone except the french isn't it.
Well, none of those Pacific Islands are going to screw with them, apparently they've done extensive tests on how to nuke paradise.
Oh yeah, and they're special forces are pretty adept at sinking unarmed protest vessels while in foreign ports.......
Oh okay, you can slag the French then.....
Say what you like about the French, their fine food and wine makes up for any negatives they might have (you could say that it blinds me to them).Quote:
Oh okay, you can slag the French then....
I don't think it's fair to say that the US military screws up on all occasions. Generalizations and blanket statements can very rarely be supported by facts.
In you opinion Simon it makes up for it. Only in your opinion :)
And no, they don't screw up all the time. c'mon guys, let's play nicely with the Americans for a change... Looking at you Mr Lohan...
Uh uh, what did I just say?
I don't mind if you say that we screw up........we do!!!! I'm the last person to deny that. It's just when you categorically state that in every instance we screw up that it really shows an arrogance beyond what I can tolerate. It's like saying that every single Englishman has bad teeth and don't bathe.
You mean that's not true? After all, my father saw a sign in
Iceland during WWII that said:
Must be true. He was a member of the fighting forces. EveryoneQuote:
Non-Commissioned Officers WILL provide an example to the
enlisted ranks by bathing AT LEAST once a week.
knows that they never exaggerate. Everyone knows that when
they say anything about some other country's service it must be
true.
We know Katie. When you say you are you refering to all Englishmen? Becuase I certainly didn't say that :)
Not on all occasions but it seems that their cock-ups as well as their achievements get too much press.
And yes, they are the biggest, the most advanced yadda yadda yadda ... but not necessarily the best soldiers. There's more to being a soldier then being able to point your gun in the right direction.
And that's the point we're making. They're fallible and mostly unable or unwilling to admit it. Doesn't seem to fit in with their credo and bravado ;)
As for slagging off the Americans : how many times have we Europeans not heard the comments "We've bailed you out in WWII", "Without us you're nothing", "We're the biggest, baddest and all the rest should take us on if they think they can handle us" ... I mean, it works in both ways.
Maybe if you're soldiers cut down on the noise making and focus more on the targetting, they'd get more appreciated by their allies (again, not a generalisation. I'm speaking for the topic at hand).
All in all, I'd rather see a world with no soldiers at all to be honest.
Jamagei
Why do you say that? Just append my signature to everything I say and have done with it.Quote:
In you opinion Simon it makes up for it. Only in your opinion
I took offense more to the blanket statement than anything. When I said all Englishmen it was a blanket statement...the US military always ****s up and all Englishmen...blah, blah, blah. Both statements are ridiculous!!!!!
I understood and for the most part agreed with the points being made in this thread but the points you were making was lost when glenw made the statementQuote:
The US Military is large and will on alloccasions fcuk up
I am just saying that I for one do not especially rate french cuisine. I certainly do not rate the wine that they are turning out these days. I would prefer to drink a Seth efrikan or an Austrailian wine.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Jamagei
Why do you say that? Just append my signature to everything I say and have done with it.
Katie
So one person makes a statement and are you tarring the rest of us with the same brush?
It's maddening isn't it?
Hmmmm I think Jammy might be being deliberately contentious. It didn't look like Katie was saying that to me.
Any organisation as big as the US military will obviously bugger things up every so often. Unfortunately, since this usually involves bombs or guns, it's a bit more drastic that a waiter dropping a bowl of chilli in your lap.
That's true ID....sad, but true.
If I don't post in this thread anymore it's just because it takes me wayyyy tooooo longgggggg. I think the gerbils haven't been fed or something.
They're using rats now Katie :D
Vote in my thread !
Jamagei
French cookery goes way beyond their cuisine. Their way of cooking underlies most of european cookery and the techniques and methods they invented are used all over. Why is it, do you think, that most words we use in cookery are French?Quote:
I am just saying that I for one do not especially rate french cuisine. I certainly do not rate the wine that they are turning out these days. I would prefer to drink a Seth efrikan or an Austrailian wine.
And I say bollocks to new world wine. Yeah, it's more consistant and you know what you're buying with a new world wine but it just doesn't have the depth and character (not the wine in my price bracket anyway). The new world have only taken the age old techniques that the French have always used and applied that to modern technology anyway.
Come on, credit where credit's due.
Simon, it's just food, for God's sake. Calm down. :cool:
Glad to see xenophobia and jingoism is still alive and well on the VB Forums :)
<Cartman> Screw you guys, I'm going home. </Cartman>
Yip, Thunderbird, Eldorado and Buckfast. Can't beat em for depth and character.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Yeah, it's more consistant and you know what you're buying with a new world wine but it just doesn't have the depth and character
Man, that stuff'll put hairs on your chest (and the palms of your hands).
French cuisine may be very nice, but I hate the poofy french restaraunts where they give you tiny portions at exhorbarant prices. The wife and I went to one a few years back and we got two small potatos each and two slices of meat and a few steamed veg for about 50 quid + wine. Bollocks to that. Give me a turine of spuds and a heap of meat (you don't even need to cook it if it's good steak) and I'm happy. Hell, I've killed off all my taste buds anyway and can only taste Vindaloo and Phal curry. :)
SD
I like Californian wine - in particular Blossom Hill.
Cheap and cheerful wine... but very nice :cool:
Perhaps I should change my statement a little.
In my limited experience US ground forces always fcuk up.
Air force are good, no real experience of navy.
Is that better barrk?
Don't think you're paying attention, Glen. This thread started because the Air Force dropped a bomb on some Canadian troops. :rolleyes:
you can state it however you like. Just don't expect me to be quiet about it when you do ;)
always is a very final word. I don't think I've always done anything. sometimes, often, frequently but not always.
If you're still speaking to me when you read this, please call me Katie! :)
OK Katie.
Peace?
I think they are saying now that the pilots saw the weapons fire of the Canadians who were training, called the ground ops folks and said they were under fire and the idiots said oh, well, then you've got my permission to drop the bomb! Sounds like the problem lies in the coordination of the ground and air forces.....the end result is that people get killed. Very sad and indefensible but it doesn't mean that the entire military is crap either!
Yep. Peace! :) Don't you wish it was that easy everywhere?
They should make themselves a song and release it as a single. Then we'd be able to say definitively whether they're crap or not. :)
Here you go...
http://www.afsv.af.mil/TIB/