PALMS ARE THE BEST
they can be overclocked...I found an article on it somewhere...
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PALMS ARE THE BEST
they can be overclocked...I found an article on it somewhere...
oh great...
It seems as though more people like palm...but the pocket PC's peoples arguments are much more convincing. what do i do??
That is true. 8 MB on a Palm is like 32 on a PPC because the OS alone chews up so much space.
heh, Daler's mystery post vanished...odd...;)
Apparently Daler deleted his post...
But Palm OS isn't as CPU intensive as PPC. Besides, you can OC a PPC also ;)
PPC is pretty, Palm OS works. ;)
works = good
pretty = sucks, unless its a chick of course :D
Why don't you try a Pocket PC before you talk **** about them.Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
PPC is pretty, Palm OS works. ;)
My dad has a Palm and I've used it before, yes it's stable, yes my PPC is better, yes my PPC works and is very stable.
Hmm ;) :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by mlewis
pretty = sucks...chick
I did, if you watch TechTV my school is teeming with iPaqs and I use them all the time.Quote:
Originally posted by jpbtennisman
Why don't you try a Pocket PC before you talk **** about them.
filburt = sucks majorly ;) :D
Filburt....you have a ti-92 right? Well, i have an 89, and they are basically the same thing. I just don't see exaclty what palm can do, that the 89/92 can't. And advice?
iPaqs, haha, guess who makes iPaqs, Compaq. What do you expect from Compaq, a quality product? :DQuote:
Originally posted by filburt1
I did, if you watch TechTV my school is teeming with iPaqs and I use them all the time.
92+ has a keyboard and possibly a higher-res screen, and can do derivatives, solve equations, and all that crap out-of-the-box which neither Palm nor PPC can do. 89 just has a smaller screen and the form factor of the 8xs.Quote:
Originally posted by sail3005
Filburt....you have a ti-92 right? Well, i have an 89, and they are basically the same thing. I just don't see exaclty what palm can do, that the 89/92 can't. And advice?
It really boils down to whatexactly you want to do with it. I haven't used PPCs much, but from what people have said here it seems that they tend to have more multimedia features, such as video and audio playing. That's great if you want to listen to something or view videos while you're moving around, but it may not actually end up being any use to you. Personally I don't own a palmtop but I have custody (or whatever) of a Palm V at work, and it's a pleasure to work with. The interface is really good. I can't honestly see myself wanting to view videos on a palmtop (not exactly widescreen viewing), although I can see some merit in the audio capabilities, so long as the device is small enough to keep in a shirt pocket or something like that.
If you want a mobile computer with lots of features that isn't going to fit in your pocket easily (ie without it bothering you), I think that role is much better fulfilled by a laptop. Doesn't have to be a particularly flashy one, and it will have a hell of a lot more features if you feel you want them.
I personally have a tendency not to use anything that requires actual effort to go and get when I want it. I'm one of the most lazy, worst organised people I have ever met, and I have tried all kinds of organiser systems to get myself into a reasonable state of knowing *** is going on. The best organisation solution I have found so far is a short pencil (or a half, sharpened) or a short pen, and a small lined notepad no larger than 2" x 3". That way I can keep it in a pocket and get at it whenever something springs to mind.
If it was me (which is isn't) I would get a Palm because it's small, convenient and has a great interface, mainly because it keeps things simple, as they should be.
If you need a sh**load of features though, maybe the PPC is a good idea. I can't really talk about them because I don't use them, though.
Isn't a memory stick just 8MB? How can you listen to hours of music unless its the same 3 songs repeating over and over again?:DQuote:
Originally posted by boscord
Why dont you try a N760C Clie before you talk sh*t about it.
Wow - You said CLIT - How creative...
BTW - I just got my nice new memory stick for my Clie, so Im sitting back and listening to a couple hours of MP3s and watchin mad videos, overclocked with AfterBurner to get this thing flying!
Memory sticks go up to 128 MB apiece
I got one 8MB with the 12 Mb built in, plus a free 32MB for buying the Sony Clie, and then I bought one 128MB stick so I have a couple hours of playable music. My one stick is for misc. stuff like pictures, documents, etc... The 32MB is for movies, and the 128MB is for music. :D :cool: :D
Later
For your information smart ass I have tried an N760C. It's a nice machine; I just like mine a whole lot better.Quote:
Originally posted by boscord
Why dont you try a N760C Clie before you talk sh*t about it.
Wow - You said CLIT - How creative...
BTW - I just got my nice new memory stick for my Clie, so Im sitting back and listening to a couple hours of MP3s and watchin mad videos, overclocked with AfterBurner to get this thing flying!
Have you tried a Pocket PC? If so which model? the iCrap? :rolleyes:
I can watch videos too. Casio EM500 has a built in video player. Of course, I haven't loaded any, but I can. :p
Oh and did I mention instantaneous synchronization with Outlook? When my PPC is connected, the instant I check off a task or add a contact in Outlook it is automatically sent to my PPC. Hehe, filburt once sent me a private message about Outlook sync problems with his Palm V :p
Face it man, my Pocket PC has WAAAY MORE features than a Palm can dream of. Your Clie is basically a Palm m505 with a better screen and an MP3 player. Mine is a full color screen with a real file system, multitasking (unlike Palm OS...sure you can listen to MP3s but I can listen to MP3s while playing Solitaire or reading AvantGo or making notes in Pocket Word)
And mine has a full Microsoft SDK , which I'm pretty sure is free the last time I checked. LOL, a weak app development suite for Palm is $99. And since i already know Visual Basic I don't have to learn a whole new language.
I guess you really needed the overclock didn't you...too bad overclocking drains your battery life, so there goes your little argument about how palms have more battery life. :o
By the way you speak apparently you havent ever used a clie.Quote:
Originally posted by jpbtennisman
Oh and did I mention instantaneous synchronization with Outlook? When my PPC is connected, the instant I check off a task or add a contact in Outlook it is automatically sent to my PPC. Hehe, filburt once sent me a private message about Outlook sync problems with his Palm V :p
Face it man, my Pocket PC has WAAAY MORE features than a Palm can dream of. Your Clie is basically a Palm m505 with a better screen and an MP3 player. Mine is a full color screen with a real file system, multitasking (unlike Palm OS...sure you can listen to MP3s but I can listen to MP3s while playing Solitaire or reading AvantGo or making notes in Pocket Word)
And mine has a full Microsoft SDK , which I'm pretty sure is free the last time I checked. LOL, a weak app development suite for Palm is $99. And since i already know Visual Basic I don't have to learn a whole new language.
I guess you really needed the overclock didn't you...too bad overclocking drains your battery life, so there goes your little argument about how palms have more battery life. :o
Connection With Outlook - I use AOL hooked up to Palm with a wireless modem
Multitasking - HAHA!! YOu dont have a dman clue - I can listen to the Mp3s and all while running any other program on the sustem.
Battery life - We all know it dropkicks PPC's ass
Gotta run to 1st period - La
ter
I don't have the money for wireless service, since I'm not a rich little f**k like you, but I could do the same.Quote:
Originally posted by boscord
By the way you speak apparently you havent ever used a clie.
Connection With Outlook - I use AOL hooked up to Palm with a wireless modem
Multitasking - HAHA!! YOu dont have a dman clue - I can listen to the Mp3s and all while running any other program on the sustem.
Battery life - We all know it dropkicks PPC's ass
Gotta run to 1st period - La
ter
Nice sync. :rolleyes:
I only played with it for about 30 seconds :p but I still have a claim to it...
Uhh, I've been using mine at school for about 8 horus a day and it hasn't dropped below the 80% mark. As a matter of fact I haven't charged it since Sunday.
Let's face it youre grasping at straws, POCKET PC RULES PALM'S ass. The acronym for Palm Operating System is POS-- which is exactly what it is, a POS.
Later.
For your info, jpbtennisman, I got 3 very nice and very free tools, all legally, for programming the Palm. And free access to several GB of online documentation.
At http://www.palm.com/ you can download the SDK for free, which is usable with any compiler that supports standard C/C++ header files.
I have been involved in some Palm development, and I know that it's not that hard to write Palm apps. Desktop apps that synch with Palm DBs are pretty easy using COM (you can use VB or Java or something else for this), although that only works with Windows. You can also write C/C++ code (mainly C++) if you want platform-independence so that you can synch with apps you write on Mac or Posix. Writing apps for the Palm isn't that hard using the right window manager tools, although I've never done it myself.
I image it's similar on PPC but haven't tried it.
Mmm, I must have had a dodgy POcket PC OS then; whilst there are more featues, none of them were comelling enugh for me to continue ysing it on a daily basis, as it hung like a donkey's dangler ;)Quote:
Originally posted by jpbtennisman
Let's face it youre grasping at straws, POCKET PC RULES PALM'S ass. The acronym for Palm Operating System is POS-- which is exactly what it is, a POS.
I'll still argue that Palm OS, whilst less pretty, is quick, solid, and so far (after ownin 3 electronic personal organisers), Palm has been the only one I've been able to use daily without wanting to smash it against a wall...
Did not know about the programming tools.
Quite possibly. I don't know what your problems were and I can't speak for them but although I haven't owned my PPC for very long, I can tell you that stability isn't even something I gave a second thought to-- usually AvantGo loading up is a tad slow but the same applies on my dad's Palm (Which has also been stable).Quote:
Originally posted by Gaffer
Mmm, I must have had a dodgy POcket PC OS then; whilst there are more featues, none of them were comelling enugh for me to continue ysing it on a daily basis, as it hung like a donkey's dangler ;)
Boscord, we seem to be arguing over multimedia features- both machines are pretty well off I must admit, with multimedia (although it doesn't change the fact that mine is $200 cheaper :D :D), but what about the basic organizational features?
Mine has character recognition (no silly Graffiti to learn, although I've heard that people catch on quickly), a "today" screen telling your appointments, and as I noted above, instantaneous sync with Outlook. As a matter of fact, I was talking with people at school today, and they thought I was nuts for syncing my email to my Pocket PC-- I told them how Pocket PC was a mirror of what I had on my real PC.
Although back on the subject of multimedia-- I think our machines are about on par with each other as far as multimedia goes...but if I had $400 to spend on an organizer I'd get one with a CF slot so I could use 1GB Microdrives...take that Palm! :p
i just went to best buy and checked out a sony clie, let me just say i was VERY impressed.:D
Graffiti is piss easy, and you can hotsynch with Outlook on Palm.
Yeah, but I like it INSTANT :) and i like my voice recorder too :) and I still like handwriting recognition :)Quote:
Originally posted by HarryW
Graffiti is piss easy, and you can hotsynch with Outlook on Palm.
And I like paying $200 less for the same stuff and then some :D
Not to mention voice recognition, text to speach, speach to text, handwriting to fully formatted text, a word processor with enough functions to let you write your science papers on the bus (;)), a COLORFUL operating system, support for pocket blinds, and the list goes on.:D
Also, let me just mention that a recent test conducted by PC magazine, the 2 best PDAs were the sony Clie and the HP Jornada.
Of those 2, the Jornada had the fastest sync time. It also had the most memory, was the most expandable, and was also the fastest, with a process that's over 133MHz.
Wow...
Yeah - jpbtennisman, you sure got me...I like how you called me a rich ***** - so I guess you think you know me pretty well now huh?
Anyway, I still dont see how you can still go rambling on about PPC being better than my Clie because almost every single one of your arguments got shot down. Example:
Multitasking - Wrong, Clie can
Displays - Clie's better
Online - My Clie has a wireless modem with AOL
MS Office - Wrong again, Clie's got it
Battery Life - Once again, Clie wins
Programming Tools - Oops, guess what, wrong again...
Others - Clies got remote control, jog dial, back, lots of stuff
In multimedia they are both pretty close, the differences primarily being that you have a voice recorder and I have the "remote control" for easy usage during physical activites and such.
As for normal features in the realm of organization, from what I tried on the PPC they are both relatively equal. Both have the ame basic setup, and both are expandable with various programs to add bonus features here and there.
Anyway - I still thing my Sony Clie rules...but whatever...
Anyway - Sail3005 - I like the fact that you tried out the Sony Clie, and the fact that you were really impressed and liked it - EVEN BETTER!
-Later All!
Multitasking - must be new in 4.1Quote:
Originally posted by boscord
Multitasking - Wrong, Clie can
Displays - Clie's better
Online - My Clie has a wireless modem with AOL
MS Office - Wrong again, Clie's got it
Battery Life - Once again, Clie wins
Programming Tools - Oops, guess what, wrong again...
Others - Clies got remote control, jog dial, back, lots of stuff
Displays - maybe a higher resolution, but smaller screen size
Online - never researched it since i can't afford online
MS Office - prove it. for NO EXTRA COST.
Battery Life - what's your battery life? Mine has stayed very high...
Programming tools- i'd say the two are about on par with each other as far as programming goes...I'd prefer the VB SDK since i already know VB..but I'm sure that the PPC has C++ development tools
Others - Casio has voice recorder, jog dial (wrong again), 4 button pad (for gaming..your Clie only has up/down buttons, mine has up/down/left/right...really nitpicking I know but it isn't like you're not picking at small details :D) and I believe PPC also has remote control software.
Oh yeah, and mine has MS Office included. If yours does too, prove me wrong, but when I checked the Sony website I saw no mention of MS Office.
My PPC is better than your Clie because I paid $200 less. Maybe you can do the same things as my PPC (except voice recording, and character recognition, free MS Office, and other minor details) but if I had $450 to spend on a PDA, I would have bought a Pocket PC with 64MB of memory, a PC Card slot (which with the proper conversion you can add a Microdrive into, not to mention the new Toshiba PCMCIA Type II 5GB hard drive), and the WORKS. That would show your Palm who's boss.
It's actually kind of lame on Sony's part, as their high-end PDA barely matches up to Casio's low-end PDA.:rolleyes:
Oh yeah, what he said too :DQuote:
Originally posted by eiSecure
Not to mention voice recognition, text to speach, speach to text, handwriting to fully formatted text, a word processor with enough functions to let you write your science papers on the bus (;)), a COLORFUL operating system, support for pocket blinds, and the list goes on.:D
Hmm, speech to text? Explain further...this sounds like a real Clie-killer :D
PPC 4 LYFE! :p
Speach to text: You have the program running in the background, and you can set it so that every time you hold the record button, it listens for your voice. It then basically does a SendMessage call, and outputs the resulting text into your open window.
Justin, it's harder than you think to find a quality PPC for $199. :(
Dude, you yourself found a PPC on Amazon for $189. It only had a 256-color screen, but it's a hell of a lot better than what you can get from Palm for $189; which would probably be some monochrome POS with 8mb of memory...Quote:
Originally posted by sail3005
Justin, it's harder than you think to find a quality PPC for $199. :(
yeah, i know. But it was out of stock and stuff. it looks like i am gonna save a bit more, and lets just say that my new price range is under $300 :D.
Anyway, you just got REALLY lucky with that EM500 for the price you got it for.
I'm telling ya, get the HP Jornada 520 or 525. At max price, it's 199 retail, but often, you can get it at stores, brand new, for 149. I got mine at best buy for 149.Quote:
Originally posted by sail3005
Justin, it's harder than you think to find a quality PPC for $199. :(
A Palm is an organizer. A Pocket PC is... exactly that. Palms replace notepads, while Pocket PCs are laptop replacements. They are very different beasts. There are hardly any comparisons.
My Palm V is pertty solid (just a few required resets, because i love to screw around). It also syncs with Outlook Express without a problem. It also has a C compiler on it. Of course, all of these features are availible on a PPC. The Palm seems a bit smaller, and lighter, judging from what I have seen. Grafitti is, as has been said, piss easy. And of course, the Palm "OK" button is in the correct place.
I have heard that PPC IR ports have limited range (30 cm), while i've also heard about 30 foot ranges for the Palm. I dont know anything about this.
To boil it down, if you want a slimmed down laptop in your pocket, get a PPC. If you want something to put phone numbers in, and play a few games on, get a Palm. As for me, since I can program it, I am happy.
Z.
PS: my RIO 500 has a file system. Its not an achievement, and certainly isnt necessary for an 8 meg machine.
Lets just say my PPC can also take down phone numbers and play games.:D
PocketPCs have the same IR range, because with the remote control software I've got on mine, I can change channels on the cafeteria's TV, which is at least 25 feet away from where I sit.
It was just the iPaq tha I looked at, so, as I said...
Anyway, I wont argue one way or the other. They have different purposes, Organizer, and PC.
Z.
Ahh...but you have to see - thats the beauty of Christmas...Quote:
JPBTennisMan:
My PPC is better than your Clie because I paid $200 less.