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Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
Right - where's that Claudia? ;)
Ha Ha Ha - Excellent!!:D
Nothin you have said here is news to me, except that your suggestion that Cornwall isn't English. Of course it's English. It's in England.Quote:
Originally posted by Fried Egg
We are not English. We have our own culture and language and have been absorbed into England after a deliberate attempt to supress our sense of identity.
Cornwall was the last place in England to finally surrender to the Saxons in the 9th century. Until then, we were a seperate and independant nation and had been even during the roman occupation of Britain.
Ethnically and culturally, we are distinct from the rest of England. Just because you didn't learn about us in your "anglo-centric" history lessons doesn't mean we never existed!
So what are you trying to get away from? What are you hoping to achieve?
You are shouting about a pointless cause.
Hey, Harry!
In answer to your questions, we are hoping to acheive independance and we want to get away from England.
Just because we were conquered and absorbed into England, doesn't mean that we have to recognise it!Quote:
Of course it's English. It's in England.
Why is it pointless? Because you don't give a damn? Once we have achieved independance and are free from imperial domination, we can begin to re-assert ourselves and restore our once great culture.Quote:
You are shouting about a pointless cause.
If you think it's pointless, fine! To us, it means a lot.
Why not give us a referendum?
Keep on fighting for you believe in Fried Egg! I keep hoping that Texas will sucede from the US and rejoin Mexico but I haven't had any luck getting many people signed up for my cause.
That much is obvious, but what's the benefit of it?Quote:
Originally posted by Fried Egg
we are hoping to acheive independance and we want to get away from England.
Fine, don't recognise it then, but I don't see what you've got to gain from ignoring it.Quote:
Just because we were conquered and absorbed into England, doesn't mean that we have to recognise it!
No, because you have more or less nothing to gain by splitting off.Quote:
Why is it pointless? Because you don't give a damn?
Imperial domination? Give me a break. Don't people in Cornwall get a vote or something? What's so special about Cornish culture that was once so great and is ever going to be restored? There are many cultures that have been and gone. Few are ever going to be restored, and that's no great loss.Quote:
Once we have achieved independance and are free from imperial domination, we can begin to re-assert ourselves and restore our once great culture.
To who? Proportionally, how many Cornish residents take your strange point of view?Quote:
If you think it's pointless, fine! To us, it means a lot.
Because that costs a lot of money, and we don't have referendums about every stupid idea that any old idiot comes up with.Quote:
Why not give us a referendum?
Can parts of Cornwall then break from the rest?
I see myself leading (since I'm certainly not Saxon and many current Cornishmen including our high cholestorol friend might be) a great 'Lizard' based empire and warring endlessly with the Saxonized masses of the rest of the penisular so falsely lead by the "Traitors of Truro".
No great loss to you perhaps. But then it's not your culture, right?Quote:
What's so special about Cornish culture that was once so great and is ever going to be restored? There are many cultures that have been and gone. Few are ever going to be restored, and that's no great loss.
Well, give us a referendum and you might find out.Quote:
Proportionally, how many Cornish residents take your strange point of view?
Right on! Can I infer from this that I am an "old idiot"? Of course, it must be idiotic to want independance from England! :rolleyes:Quote:
Because that costs a lot of money, and we don't have referendums about every stupid idea that any old idiot comes up with.
Why do you desperately want us to stay in your country? We want a fresh start and I so no reason why you won't let us have it!
Where the bloody hell is Cornwall anyway ?
I like the idea of bringing back city-states. Where do I sign to make Hoboken-Zuid independent ? :D
And stay off the moon d'ya hear ! I intend to live there (whenever I get around to finish my rocket that is) !
There is no such thing as a fresh start. Ever. Nobody starts again fresh. It's a complete myth.
I don't desperately want Cornwall to stay as part of England, I just don't see the point in pandering to the whims of some isolationist minority and making life more complicated than it has to be. You still haven't given any benefits to Cornwall being at all seperate.
Your culture is already lost, bar the cheese-rolling. The culture in England is hardly what you'd call Saxon. Cultures change, and however much you might want it back you're never going to get whatever you think the Cornish culture is back.Quote:
No great loss to you perhaps. But then it's not your culture, right?
Time changes things. Get over it.
GAMMMEEEE ON!!!!!
More Cornishmen needed to join this thread I think!!!!
*Crispin Steps in!!!
*and promptly closes the A30 at the tamar river, and disconnects the tamar bridge!!!!!
Fried Egg - it's all taken care of!!!
Seriously though I'm all for it.....for lots of reasons.....
But what about the famous cornish cheese-mines?
SD
Presumably you will be expelling the non-indigenous population;)Quote:
Originally posted by crispin
Seriously though I'm all for it.....for lots of reasons.....
do elaborate, we are intruiged to know what you would gain from such a course of actionQuote:
Seriously though I'm all for it.....for lots of reasons.....
I would first get rid of all Punk sheep ;)
It's complicated - I think I need the proverbial Geoffrey to answer this one Bungle....
Don't want a thread war on this one guys - I prefer the light hearted stuff unless forced, so i'll just say that those are my views and opinions and they are not up for debate in any manner as they belong to me.
Punk sheep only reside in West Sussex, so you're safe there ;)
Geoffrey doesn't actually know anything, except what's in the script
Although I have to say I think your a bit mad if that is the case. I mean...what good would it do??? Still, I don't know, I've never even been to cornwall. Nearest I got was Devon
If they don't expel the "Saxons" (I'm guessing that even RSINGH counts as a Saxon for these purposes) then all they stand to change is not getting tax subsidies and sliding further into decline.Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
do elaborate, we are intruiged to know what you would gain from such a course of action
I say we keep Cornwall, and build car parks on it.
It's a bit far out of town for a huge park and ride scheme though innit?
Well that sure sounds better than having their "culture" "demolished" by the "evil" EnglishQuote:
Originally posted by Kzin
all they stand to change is not getting tax subsidies and sliding further into decline.
"don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone...Paved paradise and put up a parking lot..mmmmmm, la, la, la, la!"
Joni Mitchell circa 1963
Cornwall contributes precisely sweet fanny adams
We could build massive water slides on it!
Or a big sign to taunt the French!
Or we could use the cheese mines to attract all the mice in Britain and then flood them.
SD
Unlike Essex, which gives us Essesx girls... therefore Essex contributes sweet fanny to the rest of Britain. :DQuote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Cornwall contributes precisely sweet fanny adams
SD
ROTFL! :D :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Or a big sign to taunt the French!
That would be goodQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Unlike Essex, which gives us Essesx girls... therefore Essex contributes sweet fanny to the rest of Britain. :D
SD
If only it weren't a bit of a myth
Big Sign: good idea. Something like "You father was a snail and your mother smelt of garlic"
Where did you get that from ??Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Shall we have individual counties becoming "nations" which are as poor and insignificant as Luxembourg???
GDP per capita is the average income of a citizen in that country...
HIGHEST GDP PER CAPITA3 (PPP in U.S. dollars): 1999
(1) Luxembourg $34,200
(2) United States 33,900
(3) Singapore 27,800
(4) Switzerland 27,100
(5) Monaco 27,000
(6) Norway 25,100
(7) Belgium 23,900
(8) Denmark 23,800
(9) Iceland 23,500
(10) Austria 23,400
Uk is nowhere in the top 10 list .. :rolleyes:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762380.html
What on God's earth does that prove???
Who cares about the GDP per person, it has no bearing on the purchasing power of the country. I already mentioned that the UK is the 4th largest economy in the world.
Luxembourg is insignificant because it contributes virtually bugger all to Europe, it could be $1,000,000 per person it would still make a piss poor GDP
While you can brag about uk being 4th largest economy, the folks at luxembourg can also brag about themselves. Don't tell me... Luxembourg is insignificant ...perhaps for uk but not for the rest of this world.
?? I don't know where you are, but that statement is way off
We are not, as many people believe, benefiting from English tax money. Infact, quite the opposite. More money comes out of Cornwall than in.Quote:
If they don't expel the "Saxons" (I'm guessing that even RSINGH counts as a Saxon for these purposes) then all they stand to change is not getting tax subsidies and sliding further into decline.
The major exception being Objective one but this is european money, not English.
Hey Crispin, don't give up so easilly! These arrogant English need to be told a thing or two. :D
which part of Cornwall are you in exactly?
Why?
because I'm going to raise an army of native born Cornishmen to burn you in the streets as an imposter :pQuote:
Originally posted by crispin
Why?
;)
No - I know some parts of Cornwall quite well (and have loads of Cornish contacts and friends) and have never heard anyone spouting all this nonsense before so I wondered whether it was just you and fried egg (if you are different people;) ) or whether there is some nest of dissidents ;) ;urking somewhere and dreaming that they are the new Arthur:).
[BTW if you said should Cornish-[British] culture be taught all over Britain (not england - Britain) I would say yes!!!]:D
Well, I live in Porth Leven.
And I can assure you that Crispin and I are most definitely not the same person!
And I don't think our opinion is in a particularly small minority. Most other Cornish people I know are in favour of us having our own assembly at the very least!
I live near Fowey.....but i'm down yer way this weekend Fried Egg, and Fried Egg is right Kzin, there are a great number of Cornish people who feel this way....
Keep Britain Tidy
Chop Off Cornwall
;)
I'm all in favour of self determination of populations if that's what they want and presumably the first stage in a campaign of that sort would be a independant gallup poll to show popular support followed by getting a majority in local seats in the House of Commons. If you can't manage that then you can't really claim 'popular support'.Quote:
Originally posted by Fried Egg
Well, I live in Porth Leven.
And I can assure you that Crispin and I are most definitely not the same person!
And I don't think our opinion is in a particularly small minority. Most other Cornish people I know are in favour of us having our own assembly at the very least!
Still it seems pretty silly if you are the original Britons to be trying to separate from Britain (and presumably the other Cymric Celts) just because a few Saxons come over 1400 years ago. I have to tell you they got wiped from power about 400 years later and that there have been some other waves of settlement since too.
BTW - how would you feel about unifying with Brittany?
Hey! Most people in Cornwall are in favour of that. Westminster justs wants to lump us in with Devon all the time though... :(Quote:
I'm all in favour of self determination of populations if that's what they want and presumably the first stage in a campaign of that sort would be a independant gallup poll to show popular support followed by getting a majority in local seats in the House of Commons. If you can't manage that then you can't really claim 'popular support'.
I think we'd have more in common! ;)Quote:
BTW - how would you feel about unifying with Brittany?
You are really starting to piss me offQuote:
Originally posted by Fried Egg
These arrogant English need to be told a thing or two
I think you need to go back to school and learn what nationality you are.
No fun being called arrogant is it Chris?;)