He is reported as having said that. I heard it on TV, forgot wich channel coz I was flicking between them.
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He is reported as having said that. I heard it on TV, forgot wich channel coz I was flicking between them.
CNBC and CNN.
What did you hear? You hear *certain* senators views.
YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT HEAR THE STATE DEPARTMENTS VIEW AS REGARD BLAME.
You can get access to all CNN and CNBC transcripts. Show the script that states the US State Depts View or infact any US Govts dept view as regards definative blame, as of now (02:21 UK time).
All US Govt press releases are towards the immidiate disaster recovery. They have not yet announced ANY other action or blame.
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The thing I hate about US is POLICING other countries! I have also read a post saying that "US has wasted its time looking at what other are doing". So that 100% true.
Now Israel-Palestine conflict is never gonna be solved buy talk because it is Islam vs jews. Jews think that all the holly places are theirs and we think that all the holy places are ours. And everybody likes its religious so only the one who attacks and fight for the holly places, gets them.
Isael has understand that that is the case but no Arab or muslim countries has yet opened their mind in the fresh air:mad:
Sorry if I mis-posted that
I saw Bush's whole, about 5 mintues, speech and he did not talk about attacking but on anybody.
I kinda believe Osmin Bin Laden didn't do it.
he says he didn't... fair enough to start with, he could be lying, but why would he do that. He is already No. 1 on America's hit list, and he's not long for this world anyway (by all accounts), so what would he have to lose by owning up and using this attack as a platform for his ravings?
As for Bush's speech :rolleyes: Does he really believe America was attacked because it is "the brightest beacon of freedom and democracy" (***???). Oh, so thats the reason, not for all the other stuff thats been going on.
And the "well make no distinction between terrorists and those harbouring them"
It's interesting that America has refused/hampered the extradition of IRA terrorists to Britain on a number of occasions... so whats the difference.
And if Osmin Bin Laden were in Canada, they probably wouldn't hand him over, as they (like most civilised countries) refuse to deport criminals who will face execution in America. Whats America going to do, bomb Canadians for being humanitarian.
I know he doesn't write these speeches, but I'm frightened that he doesn't have the brains to realise that he is talking bollocks.
SD
The United States of America polices countries that cannot responsibly police themselves.Quote:
The thing I hate about US is POLICING other countries
Really?? I didn't know thatQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
It's interesting that America has refused/hampered the extradition of IRA terrorists to Britain on a number of occasions... so whats the difference.
That is true actually. It's against the law here to extradite anyone who would face the death penalty as it violates human rightsQuote:
And if Osmin Bin Laden were in Canada, they probably wouldn't hand him over, as they (like most civilised countries) refuse to deport criminals who will face execution in America.
SD
i apologies if i ever had doubted your intelligence
that is IF i ever have
:)
i like the statement you made why would he do it, he is already number one, what can more he want?
Sort of. The extradition treaties that we (in Canada) have with other nations is standard. The basic premise is that you cannot extradite someone for something that is not also a crime in Canada (i.e., someone in Afghanistan cannot extradite someone for being a Christian, for example). The Supreme Court is deciding, or has recently decided, whether or not that could be extended to punishment as well.
Who cares if he did it. He is a ****in wacko terrorist anyway. I say we hunt down every known terrorist and hang them on worldwide TV. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Abdul. You ****in ****.
BARK, BARK, and bark!!:pQuote:
Originally posted by Chris Byrom
Who cares if he did it. He is a ****in wacko terrorist anyway. I say we hunt down every known terrorist and hang them on worldwide TV. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Abdul. You ****in ****.
Forgive my ignorance, but I really don't understand what you mean by that...Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
BARK, BARK, and bark!!:p
and you saw this with your OWN eyez?Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Byrom
Who cares if he did it. He is a ****in wacko terrorist anyway. I say we hunt down every known terrorist and hang them on worldwide TV. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Abdul. You ****in ****.
right
Give me a break. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker. Do you think he would be the most wanted person by the US government if he wasn't? I respect your right to your religious beliefs, but acting like bin Ladin is a choir boy is just stupid.
I don't think anyone is disputing Osmin Bin Laden is not a particularly nice person. However, where I come from we still believe in giving people an honest trial if at all possible. Hunting people down and killing them would make us exactly the same as them. Murderers.
Find the people we think are responsible. Prove their guilt, and punish them (if they are guilty of course).
It's easy to lash out in anger. But how will that be productive.
It was interesting to see that Bush said that the attacks on the US would strengthen their resolve.... now, maybe I'm missing something here, but there's probably some guy in Afghanistan saying that any US attacks will just strengthen their resolve... so it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle.
Attacking them will only result in innocents being killed (or portrayed to be killed) and will increase hatred of the US. The only way of difusing this situation is to put the guilty parties on public trial.
Unless of course you're happy for more innocents to die so that you can have your vengance?
SD
Oh Yeah! And while I'm here, why does Bush (and others) keep refering to this as a cowardly attack? It's an evil, dastardly, sick, twisted, etc. attack, but one thing it is not is cowardly. These people went out and killed themselves for some cause they believed in (however screwed up it is). How can that be cowardly???
Bush should really think before he opens his mouth..
SD
I beleive the act itself is cowardly. Attacking civilians like that and not claiming responsibility is pretty cowardly.
Like it or not, that's going to be the case. As soon as there's authoritative evidence that Bin Laden is responsible, he will be found and shot. Capturing him and giving him a year-long trial will only give terrorists one more thing to bomb about. Next time, it could be the Whitehouse, or a university, or Disneyland.Quote:
Hunting people down and killing them would make us exactly the same as them. Murderers.
yep, him and all his followers will die, and most likely everyone in afghanistand
A: Canada would hand him over in a heart beat.Quote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
I kinda believe Osmin Bin Laden didn't do it.
And if Osmin Bin Laden were in Canada, they probably wouldn't hand him over, as they (like most civilised countries) refuse to deport criminals who will face execution in America. Whats America going to do, bomb Canadians for being humanitarian.
SD
B: America will never bomb canada, Hockey season would suck, We wouldn't have Molson Beer any more!!! and we like you guys.
C: If that AHole was in canada all of the US Citizens who can walk/run/drive a car would be in canada dragging him to the US by his scruffy beard.
If he actually did it!
the Liberty Plaza building is cracking down!
Skitchen. You're beginning to sound like Abdul.Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
yep, him and all his followers will die, and most likely everyone in afghanistand
Somebody should! Celine Dion *shudder* Bryan Adams *shudder* ;) :DQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Whats America going to do, bomb Canadians
if he was in canada
BELIEVE ME i would be the first to kill him
i would give "suicide bombing" a whole new meaning
William Shatner......Quote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Somebody should! Celine Dion *shudder* Bryan Adams *shudder* ;) :D
some one should shoot that biatchQuote:
Originally posted by chrisjk
Somebody should! Celine Dion *shudder* Bryan Adams *shudder* ;) :D
:)
bryan adams is ok..
Folks, please rmember that due process and guilty beyond reasonable doubt applies only to ordinary citizens when accused by the government.
It does not apply to war situations. Reasonable suspicion is enough in war time.
BTW: When dealing with police, judges, public officials, they should be held to higher standards.
While I would not put a police person in jail without applying the reasonable doubt standard, I think he can be fired on mere suspicion. The same applies to judges and other government officials.
Another example where reasonable doubt standards do not apply: A bank teller suspected of embezzlement. He might escape a jail sentence on a technicality, but the bank should still be able to fire him, and no other bank need hire him.
i don't kare... this is serious shiit... if them towel headed mofo's think they can fucck with america they are wrongQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
Skitchen. You're beginning to sound like Abdul.
Maybe you should care.
You are angry because somebody murders somebody else. Thats fair enough. In response you want to murder some completely seperate third party. That would make you a terrorist.
I realise you are hurting. But don't be fooled into thinking that that is an excuse for going out and murdering innocent people.
SD
and what excuse did these mother fucckers have for killing innocent people?? if they can do it to us we can do it back
KATHAD!!
You do not see the distinction between justice and vengeance. There is, and you must realize it before you hurt anyone.Quote:
and what excuse did these mother fucckers have for killing innocent people?? if they can do it to us we can do it back
So you are admitting that you would be no better than them if you started killing innocent people?Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
and what excuse did these mother fucckers have for killing innocent people?? if they can do it to us we can do it back
KATHAD!!
And get that racist stuff of your signature, you are showing your country up. Luckily most people know that you do not represent the majority of Americans (I hope).
SD
Remember that America created the Taliban (that currently harbor Bin Ladin) during the cold war. They sponcered the Taliban when they were bombing the Russians which brought them the power in Afganistan. As terrible as Bin Ladin is (undoubtably) they don't know if he's responsible yet, the news has only said that he's a prime suspect. It'd be immoral to kill him for a crime he may not have commited.
The Afgans have said that if they have evidence then they'll extridite him (presumably to America), any other country would do the same thing. (including America).
I'm not sticking up for the Taliban, I compare them the the Nazis in their oppression of their own people. But I don't think charging into Afganistan with little evidence and slaughtering innocent Afgan people (when they also hate the Taliban and probably Bin Ladin too) in the pursuit of Bin Ladin is a great plan.
Someone needs to pay for this terrable crime, but it should first be considered and (when they find the culprit) then it should be harsh.
Any other tactic may result in the strengthening of terrorist activity.
True, but bin Laden is responsible for other acts of terrorism against America anyway.
No, i am not admitting that... we would still be the better and actually civilized peopleQuote:
Originally posted by SurfDemon
So you are admitting that you would be no better than them if you started killing innocent people?
And get that racist stuff of your signature, you are showing your country up. Luckily most people know that you do not represent the majority of Americans (I hope).
SD
as to the racist stuff im my signature... i don't kare, if you don't like it talk to john but i will not take it out unless i recieve a direct request from john. I don't represent the majority of americans?? there was a poll taken and 86% of people wanted us to take direct action, no matter whether it kills inocents or not
Majorative ignorance is ignorance nevertheless.
ignorance... i believe we are seeing things perfectly clear
90% wasn't it?Quote:
Originally posted by Skitchen8
there was a poll taken and 86% of people wanted us to take direct action, no matter whether it kills inocents or not
Like it or not, there are rules of war, and one of them is that you don't intentionally target civilians. No exceptions. His killing your civilians is not an excuse to kill his civilians.Quote:
ignorance... i believe we are seeing things perfectly clear
well, the one i saw said 86, maybe you saw a different one...