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This feels kinda like an extension to the high court ruling saying that any act carried out by the President can't be criminal because it would interfere with his ability to carry out the job. I stand by that as a dumb as rocks argument but this just extends that principle further down the ladder. Once you say that an official function necessitates criminality, all rules are gone.Quote:
This person is to busy to be held accountable for their crimes.
That's a move from Putin's playbook. As long as the people below you are sufficiently corrupt, they have to toe the line to stay out of prison. Once their existence depends on your forbearance, you own them.
That's an interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
An extension of that is, if a country is heavily reliant on you assistance then they can be manipulated. Jordan is a current example.
As I wrote
Donald Trump’s call with Vladimir Putin brought the Russian leader in from the cold as they hatched plans to end the war in Ukraine and agreed to swap presidential visits.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was not included, in an alarming sign for the government in Kyiv. Zelensky was at the center of everything the Biden administration did on the war. Trump did call Zelensky later Wednesday
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-relati...050046052.html
Someone told the Ukrainians and the Russian. :rolleyes:
Let the games begin.
Senate to vote on vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s bid to become nation's health secretary
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-vo...051927672.html
NATO's Rutte says that Ukraine was never promised NATO membership.
Hegseth rules out NATO membership for Ukraine and says Europe must be responsible for country’s security.
Makes some blush for their previous comments non?
What was the war for? What Ukraine was promised?
Yeah some will start the excuses but deeply you know you made a zoing.
https://www.france24.com/en/video/20...ato-membership
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/12/p...hip/index.html
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Makes some blush for their previous comments non?
Because Russia invaded Ukraine.Quote:
What was the war for?
Oh god, I feel utterly embarrassed that I allowedQuote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Russia to invade Ukraine! That decision was a major zoing on my part.
How do you make a gullible rabbit hole leftish?
You throw them a "carrot"
Changed your tune wes , right? Did Trump spoke with Russia and Ukraine? Hum wes? Tell us wes? Find more excuses wes? Say some whatevers wes say whatevers, you guys have zero knowledge of politics and you play Gods here. And ONLY here. Feel free to write more irrelevant comments. Gods and Jesus Christ is on our side (food for irrelevant comments).
The other dude is Woked , so , pat pat, there there. lol
No I don't think I will answer your upcoming comments I'm deliberately remaining ignorant, and acting superior. Boil in your own juice now.
Wow, coming from someone who spouts all sorts of irrelevant comments, and admits to not bothering to read articles that is a pretty pathetic attitude to throw at another forum member.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Throwing the word 'woke' around as if it is an insult has all the impact of a small child describing everything they don't like as 'poo' - it takes the same amount of critical thinking and effort.
Carry on paying yourself on the back, spouting your irrelevant nonsense, and acting as if somehow you have pulled some master stroke in winning an argument.
Willful ignorance isn't a strength, despite what the more extreme right wing people believe.
No. I know I'm not much of a singer but I'm consistently bad.Quote:
Changed your tune wes , right?
Yes he did. So what???Quote:
Did Trump spoke with Russia and Ukraine? Hum wes? Tell us wes?
The me what for and I'll do my best.Quote:
Find more excuses wes?
I like that, that is just what a lot of the right do...Quote:
Throwing the word 'woke' around as if it is an insult has all the impact of a small child describing everything they don't like as 'poo' - it takes the same amount of critical thinking and effort.
They aren't even trying to hide what they're doing:-
https://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2025/02/5.jpeg
Large scale social deception. Wonder what that means??? :confused::confused::confused:
There is one Greek politician in EU parliament from the patriotic party that is talking to Musk executives and is asking for the data of the USAID to see who got money for propaganda in Greece, politicians, channels, foundations. If that data get to us we may be thanking Must for the overthrown of our traitorous WOKE Government, fingers crossed.
My god you are getting desperate. Look at the dates, 2018 when Trump was president. The information is on the image itself, how desperate are you to pretend that you have uncovered some great conspiracy against the Democrats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Also, try doing even 30 seconds of research to prevent yourself looking like a gullible fool - the contract is about defending against social media manipulation.
Irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
I didn't uncover it, Elon Musk did.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
@west4dbtQuote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
I hope you're paying attention to who is doing the insulting here but I guess that's ok once you get labeled a "right winger"
And mass social deception, which means they get paid to lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Also, would you pay a baker to do your plumbing? Reuters is a news agency, not a cyber security firm. Being a news organization, it makes more sense that they get paid for that than it does for them to get paid for issues of cyber security.
Yea it seems USAID started with good intentions but got hijacked along the way by radical leftists who used it to push woke agendas around the world. However, some of the items are so utterly ridiculous, even by liberal standards than I'm starting to think a lot of it is really just embezzlement or money laundering.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I saw a video on X where an independent journalist investigated some addresses found in these USAID documents and discovered serious discrepancies. Some buildings didn't exist, some are old run down shacks that couldn't possibly facilitate whatever thing the money was allocated for. This USAID thing reeks of corruption. I suspect that this is only the beginning and later down the line things are going to be revealed that will be absolutely shocking, even more so than what has already been revealed.
I think Dems didn't expect to lose the election because if they did, none of this would have been revealed. They knew this would happen if Trump won which is why they tried so hard to stop him from becoming President and right up until the last moment, they thought they succeeded. It makes so much sense now why they were relentlessly going after him. He made it very clear he was going to end their schemes so they panicked and threw everything they could at him.
Fair point, you didn't make claims about Trump, that was an assumption on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Hardly, it was publicly available information that he is using to push his own agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
You are sharing things as if they are true without doing anything to justify them, passing false information off as true like this certainly makes you look gulible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
The contract was about defending against mass social deception, but again why bother doing your own research when you can just push misinformation like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Reuters is indeed a news agency, that contract however was to Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC- a completely different company that just happens to have one word in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Btw Thomson Reuters is a data analytics company that specialises in this area - but again reading the image you posted and doing a 30 second google search is far too much effort when it is easier to push disinformation that servers your own viewpoint.
Not getting into the war but in wiki it writes:
Historically, no single individual has been permitted to own more than 15% of Reuters, under the first of the Reuters Principles, which states, "Reuters shall at no time pass into the hands of any one interest, group or faction."[24] However, that restriction was waived for the purchase by Thomson, whose family holding company, the Woodbridge Company currently owns 53% of the enlarged business. Robert Peston, business editor at BBC News, stated that this has worried Reuters journalists, both because they are concerned that Reuters' journalism business will be marginalized by the financial data provision business of the combined company, and because of the threat to Reuters's reputation for unbiased journalism by the appearance of one majority shareholder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters
I just don't now the acquisition date, did not bother to search.
Why? It's corruption that occurred under Trump. He's responsible for it.Quote:
Irrelevant.
You should have done. It was right there in the article you linked to. 2007... under Bush. Damn those woke... Republicans... I guess.Quote:
I just don't now the acquisition date, did not bother to search.
Re Ukraine, I'm not opposed to Trump talking to Putin, it seems like a necessary part of the process. The worry is that he spoke to Putin and then had Hegseth announce that Ukraine would not be able to keep it's sovereign territory and would not be allowed to join NATO, thus having no security guarantees in roughly 10 years time once Russia has rearmed. And that done before speaking to Zelensky or the rest of NATO. That is capitulation.
If Trump manages to negotiate a deal that sees future security for the people of Ukraine I will give him credit. But the "Master of the Deal" announcing that he's going to give an aggressor everything he wants before starting negotiations does not feel likely to produce that result to me.
I think Russia will stop when he acquires all the "Russian Speaking territories" and sign a treaty that will also rule our Ukraine from joining NATO. I think that was the master plan but Trump made it easier. That seems likely to happen in May.
Well someone has to win in a war and Russia won, all Europe idiots that participated are now paying high prices for gas either from US or from Russia that cannot be called Russian so it deviates to Turkey or Greece comes right back and christianed as EU fuel and smuggled to EU. Yep, we are complete idiots.
Thanks for that, I didn't spot that - guess I should have done more research as well:blush:Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
So... Anschluss? Those who ignore history...Quote:
I think Russia will stop when he acquires all the "Russian Speaking territories"
You say it's false information and I say it's true. What now?Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Thomson Reuters owns the Reuters news agency. Given that a lot of USAID funds have been found to be used to promote propaganda around the world, it's a pretty easy conclude it's the same thing happening here.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
We weren't talking about Trump. We were talking about USAID and it's relationship to Reuters. Trump's possible complicity is an entirely different conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Relationship with Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC, not Reuters the news agency. Also the image is from the USA Government's spending, not USAID - so you might well be talking about USAID and Reuters but the image you posted has nothing to do with either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Given you are saying it is true when you are confusing Reuters the news agency with Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC, given you haven't bothered to read what the contract was actually about either - I would say you are arguing without evidence yet again not bothering to do any research beyond an image you probably found on Twitter (a well known source of disinformation these days)Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
The image you posted had nothing to do with USAID either though, that is a government department (Department of Defence) having a publicly disclosed contract (not some dark secret unearthed by Musk), with a company that specialises in data analytics and national security, for the purposes of investigating and protecting against Active Social Engineering and Large scale Social Deception - look at the description "ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD)" it even contains the word "DEFENSE" in the actual title!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
It is what it is, mark it however you like. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Robert Peston is Political Editor at ITV NewsQuote:
Robert Peston, business editor at BBC News
Who's Robert Peston?
He ain't from round here.
No, really.
Who is he, Caleb?
Oh, you're about to find out..
I feel like it's one you'd want to have if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.Quote:
Trump's possible complicity is an entirely different conversation.
I feel like you'd want to have a conversation about how Musk makes $8 million dollars a day from government contracts if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.
I feel like you'd want to have a conversation about how the State Department publicised that they were going to be buying $400 million worth of armoured Teslas then walked it back if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.
I feel like you'd want to have a conversation abut how Musk put teenager who was previously fired for leaking company secrets in charge of American's personal finance data if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.
I have a theory about why you're not having these conversations.
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Who's Robert Peston?
I feel like your ability to research is getting weaker by the minute.Quote:
Robert Peston is Political Editor at ITV News
Oh Funky Funky Funky.
I thought it would be given out on "Caleb"
So better chew before you speak. :D
Yes, you're correct. My bad on that. It was the Department of Defense, not USAID. Got my wires a bit crossed there as this is part of the same conversation. I've been consuming a lot of information on this story so it's all kind of blurred together sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
My main point still stands though. I believe based on everything that came out so far that the Democrats were using USAID, the DoD and whatever else is available to them to push propaganda and engage in all kinds of corruption and wasteful spending. That to me is clear as day and indisputable.
I actually don't care that much about corruption in general. It's just the nature of the world. To borrow a phrase from Game of Thrones, I don't care what games "the high lords" play. You'd be hard pressed to find any billionaire or any politician of any political persuasion that has never engaged in corruption. It's just part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Here's the plain truth. I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man and I don't know of any great man who has never done dirt. I am certain he and Trump have both did their share of dirt.
The issue here is that I do not like liberals. I think they are nasty, vindictive and evil people and while that by itself is not enough to rouse me as there is no shortage of wicked people in the world, what really gets me about liberals is how they so adeptly dress up their wickedness as virtue. That makes them very dangerous in my opinion and I will cheer for any movement that brings about their downfall. I hope Trump and Musk grind their entire apparatus into the ground.
As for this USAID stuff happening now, like I said, Democrats and liberals market themselves as virtuous people who do no wrong so to see them being exposed for the frauds that they are brings great joy to my heart.
And here's another truth for you, I've never been under any illusions about Trump. I know what he is. He too is a great man but he is absolutely nuts. But to me, he is the right kind of crazy. He is the kind of crazy the world needs right now. His special brand of madness is what it took to defeat the radical left and I hope whoever takes up the mantle after him has been taking notes.
And whatever Musk doth preach, thou shalt obey and spread his word!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Musk was an illegal immigrant who is now persecuting immigrants, he is a multibillionaire who spends his time picking on those less fortunate than himself, he is a blatant racist who did a Nazi salute at Trump's inauguration, he proclaims himself an advocate of free speech and then tries to throw his wealth and legal might against anyone who says things he doesn't like, he pretty much bought Twitter because he didn't like being told to stop spreading lies and being a racist, he turned Twitter into a platform of misinformation and hate speech, tried to sue companies for no longer advertising on Twitter after he told them to "F*** Off". Not getting the "great man" thing myself, but hey - if that is what inspires you to your one-side beliefs then go for it.
So people wanting individuals to have more rights and freedoms are "nasty, vindictive and evil people" - yet those who preach hate aren't? Strange definition you have there. I suppose the true heroes are the billionaires driving up the cost of living, destroying the environment, and tearing down workers' rights - we should give them medals or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
If you are going to believe everything you read on Twitter then obviously you are going to see a charity as a terrible thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Trump is a racist, a misogynist, a liar, a fraudster, an adulterer, and a sex offender - is that honestly your definition of a great man? So the world needs someone who will damage his own countries interests with tariffs, side with Russia and other dictators, give tax breaks to billionaire business men, try to claim Canada, Panama, and Greenland, change the law (in an attempt to eliminate Transgender people) that effectively made all Americans female (and ignored the existence of intersex people), increase the cost of living for American citizens, place unqualified people in senior job roles, and effectively sold the presidency to Musk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
The way they managed to do it under the Trump presidency was particularly impressive...Quote:
the Democrats were using USAID
Your hypocrisy is being laid bare.Quote:
Here's the plain truth. I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man and I don't know of any great man who has never done dirt. I am certain he and Trump have both did their share of dirt.
The issue here is that I do not like liberals.
You clearly haven't been paying attention, PD. The answer is yes.:rolleyes:Quote:
is that honestly your definition of a great man?
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I just don't understand the mentality of people who look at the likes of Trump and say despite everything he does which is wrong, and how he does things that will make my own life difficult to further his own ends, at least Transgender people will no longer be allowed to change their name - he gets my vote!
I don't buy into any of that. Sorry. Let's just agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Yeah, I realized that you were quoting something, but I'm afraid it went right over my head. What's the reference?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
It may surprise you to know that you are every bit as incomprehensible to me as I am to you. What is happening here is a microcosm of what is happening in the US and across much of the first world. There was a time when we were more united by what we shared in common than we were divided by our differences. Somewhere along the line these differences became dogmatic and tolerance for these differences dwindled drastically. We are no longer willing to listen to each other and this is a very sad state of affairs and I don't know what the solution is. So I guess each side will have to duel it out until one or the other wins. History will decide which of us is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Not a Tarantino fan hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
So you don't buy into the truth that Musk was an illegal immigrant, did a Nazi salute, or that trump is a liar, fraudster, adulterer, and a sex offender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Is that an actual question or just a statement disguised as a question?Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
It was an actual question, the things I listed are facts about Musk and Trump - I was honestly asking if that is what you don't buy into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
It's not that he doesn't buy it, he is just willing to overlook it. They are his hero's because they act like they are against his boogie man, the liberal left. He doesn't realize the growing division between people is caused by people like Trump and Musk.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
Are you actually doing research? It doesn't look like it. My guess is "your consuming" what's posted on X.Quote:
I've been consuming a lot of information on this story so it's all kind of blurred together sometimes.
That's just a guess, I could be wrong.
No. To do that would require me to acknowledge that this:-Quote:
Let's just agree to disagree.
... is, on some level, a valid opinion.Quote:
I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man
Ladies and Gentleman of the right: your poster child. Thoughts?
I'm laughing my arse off.
Plau is actually fired the leftish question of Musk been a Nazi to, drum roll please, NIYA!
Except from the idiotic trap to catch Niya and accuse him of been a Nazi little did he know that Niya is actually black! :D
See how everyone else backed away on this? So yes he supports Musk, I dare you to call him a Nazi.Be a leftish racist, Go on!
And before you start hitting on me again.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-a...-niece/4860943
Biden shown to touch a little girls nipple. So are you against this gesture or are you covering a pedophile?
And then half will say that he did that and half will say it's not intentional.
See how it goes? So I guess I will be called a Nazi at some point, surprise me and don't do it. I did not speak of it last time but a lot of distant relatives of mine where slaying in Crete when the Nazis occupied it. Take that in consideration before the name calling.
But I'm most anxious to see plau accuse Niya of been a Nazi. That would be awesome...ly stupid.
Oh and have a great weekend and God bless America.
I didn't accuse him of being a Nazi. That was entirely your own projection.
I know Niya is black, does that mean I am not allowed to ask if he supports someone doing the Nazi salute? If Niya is supporting a Nazi and nazi behaviour then he is complicit, the colour of a person's skin doesn't exempt them. So could you explain how that makes me a leftish racist, when you are saying a person's skin colour identifies their political beliefs.?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Not you Funky.
Yes he supports that and says it was accidental. Go on...
Hurry please I'm going on a weekend vacation. :)
If you honestly think a person can accidentally do two nazi salutes, not a gesture similar to a Nazi salute but an actual nazi salute then you are probably willing to forgive him anything he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Oh, I see. You were saying PD accused him of being a Nazi. I mean, he didn't... and anyone can read back in the thread to verify that.
Between the two of you you're doing a dandy job of showing just how inconsistent, ill informed and generally hypocritical the cult of Trump and Musk currently is.
I'll say again what I've said many times before. There are good reasons to praise Musk's achievements. There are good reasons to support Trump. I don't adhere to either of those arguments but I recognise and acknowledge them. That's politics. But when you're presented with Nazi salutes and advocation for ethnic cleansing and find yourself unable to criticise it, I'm pretty sure that means you're in a cult... or worse.
Yes but we are not talking about me right now. Don't try to slide your way out. Niya thinks it was accidental, what do you say to him? Do you have any name calling? Any remarks? If not it's 9:53 I'm packing in 5 minutes and I'm waiting for you to comment on Niya obscure belief. Will you comment or can I go?
Not Funky. Actually still waiting for a Greece visit and I'll bet you 100% we will talk about this and laugh.
Gotta go.
1. Niya hasn't said that as far as I'm aware. He's simply avoided responding to it.Quote:
Niya thinks it was accidental, what do you say to him?
2. If he did say that I'd say he was acting as an apologist for Neo Nazism.
I've seen most of what he's made, but I have to admit that it has been several years....more years than I'd like, probably. Which film is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator