Sentience

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Originally posted by Arbiter
Cool phrases:

Biomatter resequencer
Bioneural circuit (another name for organic circuitry really)
Causality loop ( a loop where the cause and affect cannot be determined - possible product of time travel)
temporal invariance (could be used to phase weaponry through shielding?)
Continuum distortion propulsion (warp speeeeeed)
Isomagnetic disintegrator (big gun)
Metagenic weaponry (wipe out them yetis!!!)
Elementary Particle Theory (a new early tech)
Electroweak Theory
Unified Gauge Theory
Quantum Chromodynamics
Statistical Mechanics
Catastrophe Theory

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Just bringing it onto this page. Giving this some serious thought - will be posting quite a bit on these later...

yeah, I can post (sort of...)

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Originally posted by Behemoth
:D

Morning baldy :p

I'm feeling fresh as a pansy- no, a daisy. Definitely a daisy (phew!)

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That's good to hear.

Did you get any graphics done last night?

ARe you free either tonight or tomorrow evening?

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Originally posted by Arbiter


Just bringing it onto this page. Giving this some serious thought - will be posting quite a bit on these later...

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I've been updating mine too...

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Originally posted by Arbiter


That's good to hear.

Did you get any graphics done last night?
*was working on sensor buildings - theres an update in the posts above (somewhere). Went straight to bed after the pub

ARe you free either tonight or tomorrow evening?
*err...sort of. Dentist tonight (shouldnt take long), but I want to crack on w/ the graphics. We could theoretically converse on MSN if you like...

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Temporal Invariance:

The science behind the phasing of time sequences. By oscillating the temporal location of an area through a billionth of a second, an object can be made to inhabit the present for a subsection of the current time line, allowing it to pass through none time phased fields with ease and limit the effect of 'static time' attacks.

Benefits:
Temporal Torpedoes (missiles that can pass through shielding)
Invariance Shielding (new shield type)

Yeah, I'll have MSN on whilst I'm programming. We can talk then. I was wondering when you'd like to come round for beers?

Check out this puppy!!!

I'll strip the juicy bits out in a minute...

Institute of Theoretical Science

University of Oregon
The Institute of Theoretical Science is a center for research in several interrelated disciplines that encompass theoretical physics, theoretical chemistry, and mathematics. Elementary particle theory is one of the active areas of research. Topics under investigation include electroweak and unified gauge theories, quantum chromodynamics, production and decay of heavy quarks, quark-gluon plasma and heavy ion collisions, and the design of novel accelerators. Another active area is astrophysics, in which members study neutron stars, gravitational waves, and general relativity. Other members are interested in atomic theory, condensed matter, statistical mechanics, foundations of quantum theory, group theory in mathematics and chemistry, and catastrophe theory. The Institute houses faculty members and students and encourages the exchange of ideas that lead to cross-fertilization and new insights.

VB Code:

[i]Need comments / amendments to the below... esp. bits with (?)'s
 
Bits in ()'s are my comments[/i]
 
[b]Techs[/b]
 
Temporal Invariance: (late tech)
 
The science behind the phasing of time sequences. By oscillating the temporal location of an area through a billionth of a second, _
an object can be made to inhabit the present for a subsection of the current time line, allowing it to pass through none time phased fields_
with ease and limit the effect of 'static time' attacks.
 
Benefits:
    Temporal Torpedoes (missiles that can pass through shielding)
    Invariance Shielding (new shield type)
 
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Metagenic Tinkering (?) (late tech)
 
Advanced research into the manipulation of genetics and living organisms. (needs some more description adding)
 
Benefits:
    Research into biological crap increased
    (needs more)
 
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Elementary Particle Theory (early tech)
 
A basic foundation in the fundamentals of particle interaction and a glimpse of the many_
 applications for this technology.(needs some more description adding)
 
Benefits:
    Light Particle Cannon (pretty pansy version of the big PPC stylee weapons available in a later tech)
 
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mf

posting frenzy!!!

(and I've broke the width as well - I'll fix that in a mo)

BUT LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!

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' Updates players diplomacy values based on troop positions
 
Sub CalcDipBasedOnTroopPlacements()
    Dim x As Byte, md As Single
    Dim GoodPlayerScaryVal As Single, EvilPlayerScaryVal As Single
    
    For x = 1 To 7
    
        GoodPlayerScaryVal = cmScaryVal(currplayer, x)
        EvilPlayerScaryVal = cmScaryVal(x, currplayer)
        
        md = (GoodPlayerScaryVal / EvilPlayerScaryVal) * player(currplayer).admin.dipben
        
        player(currplayer).admin.dip(x) = player(currplayer).admin.dip(x) / md
        
    Next x
 
End Sub
 
 
' Calculates ScaryVal
 
Function cmScaryVal(goodplayer As Byte, evilplayer As Byte) As Single
    Dim Hd As Single, Ed As Single
    Dim x As Integer
    
    Hd = calcdistance(player(goodplayer).building(1).xc, player(goodplayer).building(1).yc, _
player(evilplayer).building(1).xc, player(evilplayer).building(1).yc)
    
    For x = 1 To UBound(player(evilplayer).unit)
        Ed = calcdistance(player(evilplayer).unit(x).xc, player(evilplayer).unit(x).yc,_
 player(goodplayer).building(1).xc, player(goodplayer).building(1).yc)
        If Ed < Hd Then
            cmScaryVal = cmScaryVal + (((Hd - Ed) * player(evilplayer).unit(x).might) / player(evilplayer).admin.dipben)
        End If
    Next x
 
End Function

in no particulary order...

1) can't post other than on my lunch now :( my boss spotted me and asked me to close my browser.

2) need a tech for singularity synthesis. Would this be a generator type?

3) cool. glad you found it. does it fit in with our opinion/complex work?

4) how about metagenic praxis? :D

• http://www.thesaurus.com/cgi-bin/search?config=roget&words=praxis
• http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=praxis

5) you've not fixed the width yet

basically, the techs can be subdivided into the main (faction) models (I think)

Industry (provides building, unit or industry bonus)
Research (provides tech bonus)
Diplomacy/Infiltration
Military (defence or attack)
Geographical (map and resource info)
errmm...others

as well as providing a stepping stone to the next level.

I really like these. I think we should keep adding to them, eventually, we'll come up with something useful.

techs:
singularity synthesis

fragments:

singularity
technology
tectonics
interference
plasma
temporal
stable / stability
entropy
disturbance
magnetic
interaction
charge
synapse / synaptic
geological
paradigm
theory
distortion
refinement / refinery
process
terraform
transmission
engineering
nano
synthetic
lubricant
servo
subatomic
fundamental
harmonic
chapter
(super)string
organic
field
resonant
chromosonal
relative (relativity)
compound
genetic
index(ing)
viral
event horizon
annihilation
stasis
infiltration
software / hardware
automata
algorithm (ic)
logic
analysis
Condensed Matter
strategies


ill keep editting and adding to this post. I suggest you do likewise to yours

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Originally posted by Behemoth
in no particulary order...

1) can't post other than on my lunch now :( my boss spotted me and asked me to close my browser.

2) need a tech for singularity synthesis. Would this be a generator type?

3) cool. glad you found it. does it fit in with our opinion/complex work?

4) how about metagenic praxis? :D

• http://www.thesaurus.com/cgi-bin/search?config=roget&words=praxis
• http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=praxis

5) you've not fixed the width yet

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1) Gay!
2) Probably, or an incredibly nasty weapon!
3) It will do... ;)
4) Nice
5) Yes I have, you should have seen it before!

For starters...

Tectonic Engineering
Sub Atomic Lubricants
Superstring Harmonics
Resonance Theory
Entropy Anullment
Genetic Indexing

Attached is the latest version of the overview spreadsheet for your review.

Of particular note is the changes I've made to the might calculations.

I've been thinking and I reckon we need a couple more screens in Sentience.

1) A might screen, where you can see the might of all the factions broken down (or at least - as much as you know of it)

2) A faction overview screen where you can see what you know of the other factions.

A breakdown of your/their units/techs/buildings etc

Which brings me to the question of how you're going to know when a faction has researched a particular technology.

Deducing it from what components you can see in their mechs is ludicrous as it would absolutely devour processing power. Unless I had a flag for each mech marking it as 'read'.

Looks like I've answered my own question. Shiiitaroo that's a lot of coding. Gay.

Right - I'll be starting work on that soon enough.

Random code I've been working on blindly...

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Originally posted by Arbiter
I've been thinking and I reckon we need a couple more screens in Sentience.

1) A might screen, where you can see the might of all the factions broken down (or at least - as much as you know of it)

2) A faction overview screen where you can see what you know of the other factions.

A breakdown of your/their units/techs/buildings etc

Which brings me to the question of how you're going to know when a faction has researched a particular technology.

Deducing it from what components you can see in their mechs is ludicrous as it would absolutely devour processing power. Unless I had a flag for each mech marking it as 'read'.

Looks like I've answered my own question. Shiiitaroo that's a lot of coding. Gay.

Right - I'll be starting work on that soon enough.

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:p :D
I love watching you argue with yourself. You have the most bizzarre brain processes ;)

btw, im ok posting for the next 10 mins cos im on my break :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Arbiter
For starters...

Tectonic Engineering
Sub Atomic Lubricants
Superstring Harmonics
Resonance Theory
Entropy Anullment
Genetic Indexing

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Wow! genetic indexing sounds cool as funk! perhaps thats the tech that allows you to choose which creature you build instead of spitting out random ones?

talking to Karl (ex college pal) last night on MSN. He loves it all so far (hes the one without the printscreen key). He likes the combination of mechwarrior and Civ (D'OH!), so I forwarded the suggestion that we move away from calling the units mechs - after all they cal be any form - ships, tanks, hovercraft.

How about Mobile Field Units of MFUs. I know its gay having hundreds of TLAs, but somethings gotta give.

We can call em units for short?

MFU's are gay.

We'll think of something. A mech can take any form by the way - it's merely short for Mechanoid....

I'm settling down with a nice bottle of red wine now and going to get some work done. I'll be on MSN from about 1800 onwards if you want to chat.

I'll be expecting some graphics from you tonight.... ;)

As attached screenprint, I've got two sections of the factions might up and online. Yay!

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Originally posted by Arbiter
As attached screenprint...

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*sigh*

As per this attached screen print...

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Originally posted by Behemoth
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Paint refused to save it as a jpg less than 3.75mb unless I called it naamloos2.

Bonkers.

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Originally posted by Arbiter


Paint refused to save it as a jpg less than 3.75mb unless I called it naamloos2.

Bonkers.

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I want some of what you're drinking...;)

Red Wine.

And I'm not plastered - it was playing silly beggars!

Morning Dude - as discussed last night, all questions will be numbered for your ease of tracking... :)

1) When are we going to get together for beers and discuss things. "I don't know" will not suffice - I want a date.
We need to dicuss the following
* Definitive list of techs (when I'm altering the tech screen to be res independant, that will be it as far as new techs are concerned.)
* Might values for components/buildings

Sorry I'm not being very vocal today - I'm coding like a demon at the moment - I figured that would be more important.

2) What do you think to the idea of having scorched earth. We're going with the idea of burning the hell out of trees, but wouldn't it be a nice touch if we could damage the rest of the terrain. Would be nice to see the battle fields. How difficult would it be for you to draw burnt ground?

3) Whilst I was thinking just then I think I might have come up with an idea of how we could remove the need for all those coastline graphics. *dodges flung pint glass*

As it seems we can transparenterise with great speed, we could merely draw a coastline square with the sea on and make it transparent where the land would be. If we then stomp that over a land square, it looks like a coastline.

We'd simply need a collection of transparent coastlines to drop on the top of existing land squares. Would shrink the size of the files dramatically.

4) How are we determining how much energy is required to build a mech? Should it be based on weight? Maybe (weight of mech + (3* number of components)) / energybenefit of faction?

5) We have a 'read' flag on buildings and units to determine if they show up in the might calculation for a faction. An object is marked as 'read' if it has been 'seen' (physically) or 'pinged' (via infiltration). This gives you the factions might as you can perceive it.

However, when calculating the industrial might (industry per turn), technological (research per turn), and the components/resources stored - how do we provide a limited view of these? I'm stumped here...

You gain research and industry though buildings, correct? If so, you said you already have a flag to tell you if you can see the building. You should, then, be able to the same thing, and you already know the fraction type.

For the components/resources, you would probily need a new flag (numerical) on the warhouse, saying how much the fraction had at the last time you saw the warhouse.

Atleast, that is the easiest way I see to do it.

Thanks for that Gaming, I was thinking along similar lines for the research and industry but....

You're very unlikely to see the research and industry buildings of a faction as they're likely to be keep close in near the hq. By the time you thrash your way that deep into their territory, the knowledge is useless to you anyway as you're at war with them already (and probably routing them).

I'm trying to think of a way around this...

Storing the last known values for stores is ok, but this would rapidly become out of date and also - when would you see what the had in stores? Again, the warehouses are going to be kept in close and you wouldn't really be able to open the doors and have a peek.

It seems rather complex at the moment. My head hurts.

FAO Behemoth:

6) What order are the processor points being spent in?
They go on:
* Projects
* Techs
* Units

But in what order? Or do we split across them all?

I was thinking that Units draw the power first, and the remainder is split across projects/tech. The balance can be changed with a slider or some such device.

The more units you have, the slower research is.

Sound reasonable?

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Originally posted by Arbiter
Morning Dude - as discussed last night, all questions will be numbered for your ease of tracking... :)

[list=1][*] When are we going to get together for beers and discuss things. "I don't know" will not suffice - I want a date.
We need to dicuss the following
* Definitive list of techs (when I'm altering the tech screen to be res independant, that will be it as far as new techs are concerned.)
* Might values for components/buildings
[*] What do you think to the idea of having scorched earth. We're going with the idea of burning the hell out of trees, but wouldn't it be a nice touch if we could damage the rest of the terrain. Would be nice to see the battle fields. How difficult would it be for you to draw burnt ground?
[*] Whilst I was thinking just then I think I might have come up with an idea of how we could remove the need for all those coastline graphics. *dodges flung pint glass*

As it seems we can transparenterise with great speed, we could merely draw a coastline square with the sea on and make it transparent where the land would be. If we then stomp that over a land square, it looks like a coastline.

We'd simply need a collection of transparent coastlines to drop on the top of existing land squares. Would shrink the size of the files dramatically.
[*] How are we determining how much energy is required to build a mech? Should it be based on weight? Maybe (weight of mech + (3* number of components)) / energybenefit of faction?
[*] We have a 'read' flag on buildings and units to determine if they show up in the might calculation for a faction. An object is marked as 'read' if it has been 'seen' (physically) or 'pinged' (via infiltration). This gives you the factions might as you can perceive it.

However, when calculating the industrial might (industry per turn), technological (research per turn), and the components/resources stored - how do we provide a limited view of these? I'm stumped here...
[*] What order are the processor points being spent in?
They go on:
* Projects
* Techs
* Units

But in what order? Or do we split across them all?

I was thinking that Units draw the power first, and the remainder is split across projects/tech. The balance can be changed with a slider or some such device.

The more units you have, the slower research is. [/list=1]

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2) For the scorched earth, possibly just use a pothole overlay. Basicly use the same system as roads, rivers, ect.

3) Like behemoth said, is it worth doing? I would fell probly not.

4) You may need to define a value to each component based on how good it is. The better the item, then higher the value. Then use a formual like: (weight of mech + (3 * number of components) + total value of mech) I think the the energy benifit should be placed on the production of energy (any +energy things), although it is up to you.

5) I think that you should have to know about the building (pinged or seen), then it is calculated in.

6) emergency systems first, any necessary buildings, then defence units, then other units, research/projects/infiltration.
Then let the user set which percentage to put into research/projects/infiltration. Possibly with limits to each value, based currently undetermined factors.

Behemoth,

1) Right, I've seen you. In fact you ran out of the door about 1hr ago. :D

2) I think the scorched earth would look cool. And I had in mind what Gaming has suggested. If you make a few potholes, bits of debris, general carnage - basically imagine France in the World Wars...

3) Ok, sack that idea then. Neither you nor Gaming like it. Humph. :)

4) Ok, paradox here. The might of unit is based on the might of every component + energy required to build. We can't have the energy required to build based on the might, unless we remove it from the might calculation.

Which is it to be? Might including energy to build cost, or energy to build cost based on might?

5) As discussed, merely calculate the might of the stuff, not give the player a full idea. I'm just wary that this might be a little unbalancing on the might score, as this would be accurate per turn and everything else will be based on whether it's seen or not.

In fact no, I don't like that. Hows about the ping updates one only of his resources per turn selected randomly. That way, one is going to be spot on and the rest can be varying lengths out of date?

I prefer that - any queries?

6) As discussed, if there's a processor shortage the first things to sufer are research and projects. then units start shutting down - most recently created first.

Gaming,

Thanks for the comments and suggestions - sometimes it's nice to have an outside view on things... :)

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Originally posted by Arbiter
3) Ok, sack that idea then. Neither you nor Gaming like it. Humph. :)

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I didn't say I didn't like it, I asked whether or not it was worth it. If it is, its also worth doing for the mountains...

I really like these. I think we should keep adding to them, eventually, we'll come up with something useful.

special projects:
orbital laser platform (comes after satellite tech- allows a: to destroy an enemy factions spy/defence satellite, and b: to take pot shots at the ground below)

techs:
singularity synthesis
photosynthetic plastics


fragments:

singularity
technology
tectonics
interference
neuro
plasma
temporal
stable / stability
entropy
disturbance
magnetic
interaction
charge
synapse / synaptic
geological
paradigm
theory
distortion
refinement / refinery
process
terraform
transmission
engineering
nano
synthetic
lubricant
servo
subatomic
fundamental
harmonic
chapter
(super)string
organic
field
resonant
chromosonal
relative (relativity)
compound
genetic
index(ing)
viral
event horizon
annihilation
stasis
infiltration
software / hardware


ill keep editting and adding to this post. I suggest you do likewise to yours

Firstly, do you want to add the techs I came up with onto your list?

Secondly, respond to my points 4 & 5 please...

4) Ok, paradox here. The might of unit is based on the might of every component + energy required to build. We can't have the energy required to build based on the might, unless we remove it from the might calculation.

Which is it to be? Might including energy to build cost, or energy to build cost based on might?

it doesnt matter, one is indicative of the other. Personally i prefer that the build cost is derived from the might of the components, but it up to you since you're coding it and it'll have a pretty similar effect either way round.

whats to discuss about point 5? if it works, well do it :D

4) Done.

5) Done.

Job's a good un.

I'll compose an itinery of things to thrash out for when you come round tomorrow. We can try and bash some of the might values out. That'd be a step in the right direction.

I'll attach a copy of the might screen as it stands now if you want....

As attached

Also as attached...

just posted:

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special projects:
orbital laser platform (comes after satellite tech- allows a: to destroy an enemy factions spy/defence satellite, and b: to take pot shots at the ground below)

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http://www.howstuffworks.com/terraforming.htm

http://www.howstuffworks.com/asteroid-mining.htm

http://www.howstuffworks.com/missile-defense.htm

http://www.howstuffworks.com/firewall.htm

http://www.howstuffworks.com/category.htm?cat=Spaceww

http://www.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher.htm

http://www.howstuffworks.com/search....forming;page=3

Morning hairy bloke.

I'm in work, and I'm going to get loads done on Sentience today.

I'll show you where I'm up to when you pop round this evening...

I think today's going to just be a day of slogging away, but if I have any questions then I'll post them up here... :)

Hairy bloke....

When you get a mo, mosey on into the G&GP forum. Icheb has a thread there, something to do with flash and music. You think you could help him out?

Interesting stats for you..

Sentience (and associated stuff - e.g. Launcher) has:

27456 lines of code
691807 characters

Frightening....


ps - that doesn't include scripts or documentation...

The trick is now to reduce the number of lines/characters and lose no functionality (i.e. streamline/improve the code)....

Oooh goody!

Right, I'm off home now.

I should be staying at home so you can just pop round whenever you want. If you're stayig for tea then give me a buzz and let me know.... :)

I have no idea what these pages actually are, but the tech-tree is interesting:

http://www.cpeo.org/techtree/ttchart.htm

http://www.cpeo.org/techtree/ttdescript/index.html

Bonkers.

Anyways, morning dude.

I'm just nipping out to blow a few grand on a carpet, 3 piece suite and a dishwasher.

Are you free/busy today?

working today, Rachel's tonight.
You had any juice yet? ;)

another cool tech:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/light-propulsion.htm

Hey dude!

Was just in here when I got an eMail telling me I had a PM. So I wandered off to check it and it was from you - tell me to get in here!

Madness!

Coupleofthings:

1) Still up for tonight?

2) I've been researching some cool stuff and I have a few ideas of supercool futuristicy stuff... :D

That light propulsion method is fantastic!!!

Decades away from becoming usable though. :(

I watched Gattacca last night - not a bad film.