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following on from yesterdays "discussion", I think we need a more formal communication structure. I'll be around today, butQuote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Are you going to be on the forums today dude?
1) I'll probably be quite busy "clearing up" after the weekend
2) the forums are really sucky from work :(
However, I'll do my best
I think we could do with some form of generic research/industry allocation screen whereby you can toggle the points and where they're going.
At the moment research points can go on Research/Projects/Monsters and industry can go towards Component Manufacture/Resource Refining/Projects.
We could do with a twiddle screen I think...
OK. I'd forgotten some had backgrounds and some didn't. Should be easy to fix.Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I've had a look at the monster houses in the game and I have a problem with each of them, (only to be expected ;) )...
The stone circle and the sand crab each have backgrounds already attached. We need to get rid of them otherwise they won't transparenterise.
The lair and the nest are ok backgroundwise, but they both have a tragic white border around them (the flies look dire on the nest and the lair looks like someone's whitewashed the walls... )
Once these niggles are fixed they'll look very impressive. :)
Hiya bloke! :)Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
following on from yesterdays "discussion", I think we need a more formal communication structure. I'll be around today, but
1) I'll probably be quite busy "clearing up" after the weekend
2) the forums are really sucky from work :(
However, I'll do my best
1) Clearing up?
2) They're not that brill here which is why I'm posting a number of mid sized posts rather than massive whoppers.
By which you mean remove the backgrounds from the ones that do, ya?Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
OK. I'd forgotten some had backgrounds and some didn't. Should be easy to fix.
Will you be ok clearing up the white border thingy that appears around them, that caused problems last time didn't it...?
1) 90% of stores have been manned by 16 year old school leavers and IT illiterate pensioners, so we have to get things back on track (its been kind of quiet so far though...)Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Hiya bloke! :)
1) Clearing up?
2) They're not that brill here which is why I'm posting a number of mid sized posts rather than massive whoppers.
2) tell me about it :rolleyes:
Good man.
If you have chance to post any revolutionary ideas then please do so - we're on a bit of an intellectual roll re Sentience at the moment, so I'm keen to keep it moving.
If we keep our random thought documented here then even if we forget what we're on about in a couple of weeks time then we should have some memory joggers left here...
What are you up to this evening by the way, besides sending me the latest graphics? Fancy popping round for a bit (or vice versa)?
yeah, but its a pain. hopefull it wont be as obvious cos they're on green, not white. Only time will tell... Shouldnt take too long though :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
By which you mean remove the backgrounds from the ones that do, ya?
Will you be ok clearing up the white border thingy that appears around them, that caused problems last time didn't it...?
Some Q's for you.....
If we have the monster houses drop resources when killed, then couldn't we have like petroleum plants (houses with no related monsters) etc which drop loads of crude oil when killed?
Also, should the resources just drop onto the floor for an RMV to collect later ('cos I'm not overly keen on them just landing in stores).
Are we also running with the idea that the houses change size as well?
Are we still going for the idea of squares with bonus amounts of a particular resource on?
Did we ever come up with a conclusive list of what's going in the pods? And if so, where did we put it?
Sorry if there's loads of posts, but I thought if you're not busy at the mo then let's get as much comms in as possible...
On green and not white?Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
yeah, but its a pain. hopefull it wont be as obvious cos they're on green, not white. Only time will tell... Shouldnt take too long though :rolleyes:
You've lost me there pal... :confused:
I really can't afford the petrol at the moment, but you're welcome to come round, however you will be distracting me from getting on with graphics. It's your call which is more valuable to us...Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Good man.
If you have chance to post any revolutionary ideas then please do so - we're on a bit of an intellectual roll re Sentience at the moment, so I'm keen to keep it moving.
If we keep our random thought documented here then even if we forget what we're on about in a couple of weeks time then we should have some memory joggers left here...
What are you up to this evening by the way, besides sending me the latest graphics? Fancy popping round for a bit (or vice versa)?
I'll make a guest appearance on my way home from work (to collect those CD's primarily). What time will you be getting in?Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
I really can't afford the petrol at the moment, but you're welcome to come round, however you will be distracting me from getting on with graphics. It's your call which is more valuable to us...
Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Some Q's for you.....
If we have the monster houses drop resources when killed, then couldn't we have like petroleum plants (houses with no related monsters) etc which drop loads of crude oil when killed?why would there be randomly scattered petroleum plants on the planet in the first place? isn't this related to squares with bonus resources? I like the idea, but can we make it work?
Also, should the resources just drop onto the floor for an RMV to collect later ('cos I'm not overly keen on them just landing in stores).yes, exactly as a destroyed mech would do.
Are we also running with the idea that the houses change size as well?I don't see why not, as long as it represents something more than just a different graphic :D
Are we still going for the idea of squares with bonus amounts of a particular resource on? I'm not sure I follow entirely. Do you mean things like a goldmine, an oil well etc?
Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Did we ever come up with a conclusive list of what's going in the pods?pretty much. I'm not sure if it was conclusive, but it was a solid foundation And if so, where did we put it?somewhere in here...:rolleyes:. try approx springtime March - June
Sorry if there's loads of posts, but I thought if you're not busy at the mo then let's get as much comms in as possible... [/B]getting busier by the second..!
The original problem with the "white halos" was caused primarily because I designed the buildings on a white background. The program automatically anti-aliased them, causing a line of off-white pixels, somewhere between the building and the background. Since these have been designed on green, it should be less obvious (the anti-aliasing should actually look good ;) )...we'll see.Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
On green and not white?
You've lost me there pal... :confused:
why would there be randomly scattered petroleum plants on the planet in the first place? isn't this related to squares with bonus resources? I like the idea, but can we make it work?
I imagine it would be related to squares with bonus resources, but in this case the resources aren't quite so easy to get at....
yes, exactly as a destroyed mech would do.
I concur. Motion passed.
I don't see why not, as long as it represents something more than just a different graphic
It may affect the spawn rate of critters, the amount of resources contained within and the difficulty to kill.
I'm not sure I follow entirely. Do you mean things like a goldmine, an oil well etc?
Exactly so my insightful friend. Every now and then there'll be squares that are high in a particular resource type (denoted by a small graphic on the square). I think I have a method of generating these. Simply select a number of bonus' and then randomly pick a map tile for each of them. Each map tile will then be given a resource chosen from a bonus' table. I know what I'm on about anyway...
Cool as! I finish at 5:00pm. If the gods are smiling on me, I should be home for 5:45pm. If I caught in traffic (quite likely :rolleyes:, I have no idea what time...Probably before 6:30pmQuote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I'll make a guest appearance on my way home from work (to collect those CD's primarily). What time will you be getting in?
Grunt. Ok then. Call me when you get in.
Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
why would there be randomly scattered petroleum plants on the planet in the first place? isn't this related to squares with bonus resources? I like the idea, but can we make it work?
I imagine it would be related to squares with bonus resources, but in this case the resources aren't quite so easy to get at....
yes, exactly as a destroyed mech would do.
I concur. Motion passed.
I don't see why not, as long as it represents something more than just a different graphic
It may affect the spawn rate of critters, the amount of resources contained within and the difficulty to kill.
I'm not sure I follow entirely. Do you mean things like a goldmine, an oil well etc?
Exactly so my insightful friend. Every now and then there'll be squares that are high in a particular resource type (denoted by a small graphic on the square). I think I have a method of generating these. Simply select a number of bonus' and then randomly pick a map tile for each of them. Each map tile will then be given a resource chosen from a bonus' table. I know what I'm on about anyway...
Was that last post to contain anything other than that, or were you just echoing me?
Industry: (rare)
*Bonus processed resources (common)
*Bonus components (not so common)
*Free factory (v. rare)
Colony: (v. rare)
*Free unit (common)
*Free building (not so common)
Resource: (common)
*Bonus raw resources (common)
*Bonus energy (common)
*Bonus processed resources (rare)
Data: (not so common)
*Bonus research points (rare)
*Bonus tech (v. rare)
*Phone number for other faction (rare)
*Randomly explore piece of land (common)
Toying with the idea of having the pod explode when found (v. rare)
Comments/questions?
That's the best I could find. Mint! Anything further to add?
read it again...the [ b ] [ /b ] tags went screwy...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Was that last post to contain anything other than that, or were you just echoing me?
Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Industry: (rare)
*Bonus processed resources (common)
*Bonus components (not so common)
*Free factory (v. rare)
Colony: (v. rare)
*Free unit (common)
*Free building (not so common)
Resource: (common)
*Bonus raw resources (common)
*Bonus energy (common)
*Bonus processed resources (rare)
Data: (not so common)
*Bonus research points (rare)
*Bonus tech (v. rare)
*Phone number for other faction (rare)
*Randomly explore piece of land (common)
*monster info (v. rare)
*special project(v.v. rare!)?
Toying with the idea of having the pod explode when found (v. rare)
Comments/questions?
That's the best I could find. Mint! Anything further to add? [/B]
I have - it looks the same as mine. What am I missing?Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
read it again...the [ b ] [ /b ] tags went screwy...:rolleyes:
Looking at the last two comments you added...Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
1) Monster info is unlikely to be contained in data pods that originated off planet...
2) A special project will be a little over the top for a pod benefit... It would give the finding faction too great a boost...
I was thinking of defining the commonality as below...
Scale 0-100
0-50 Common
50- 80 Not So Common
80-95 Rare
95-100 V. Rare
Comment/Queries?
You know this evening?
Would you be able to send me any more buildings, or have I got them all at the moment?
We could do with some slobbery, biological ones. Who cares what they're for - we can work on that later. :D
I was thinking of having like a biological processing plant (brain in other words), flesh vats (mech bay), organic factory (stomach like thing)
We could also have some cool hybrid things which are the best of both worlds....
I was also thinking about having one of special projects as a shield generator which protects all of your buildings but is a serious drain on your energy.
1 energy drain per building per turn and also any damage comes out of your energy.
This means that it's impossible to damage a building whilst the shields are up - but if you're under heavy attack then you're gonna run out power damn quick. And if your power runs out - then your mechs/buildings stop working.
Could be both a curse and a blessing this thing... :D
Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
You know this evening?
Would you be able to send me any more buildings, or have I got them all at the moment?
* I think you've got them all. I'll have a look and maybe make a start on more
We could do with some slobbery, biological ones. Who cares what they're for - we can work on that later. :D
* wombs!
I was thinking of having like a biological processing plant (brain in other words), flesh vats (mech bay), organic factory (stomach like thing)
* see above :D
We could also have some cool hybrid things which are the best of both worlds....
* yip
I was also thinking that either the generators should be more expensive or the standing charge of the buildings should be higher.
I know this is a playtest issue, but I think this one needs close attention paying to it as I reckon a faction will either have bogs loads of power or none....
I like it. perhaps have an advanced version where you can switch it on and off on specific buildings?Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I was also thinking about having one of special projects as a shield generator which protects all of your buildings but is a serious drain on your energy.
1 energy drain per building per turn and also any damage comes out of your energy.
This means that it's impossible to damage a building whilst the shields are up - but if you're under heavy attack then you're gonna run out power damn quick. And if your power runs out - then your mechs/buildings stop working.
Could be both a curse and a blessing this thing... :D
I posted re: commonality but VBF seems to have lost it.
v rare and rare are equally as common on your scale.
I don't think so....Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
I posted re: commonality but VBF seems to have lost it.
v rare and rare are equally as common on your scale.
80-95
95-100
How pray tell are these the same... :rolleyes:
Seems OK. I'll have to make a minor framework change, but I reckon I can get away with it....Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
I like it. perhaps have an advanced version where you can switch it on and off on specific buildings?
Any chance of creating a generic shield graphic for the buildings? Some form of a bubble or summat?
Ian me old mucker - do you want to do me the worlds biggest favour known to man?
What are you up this Friday night......?
:cool: sorry, man, the shades obscured that...Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I don't think so....
80-95
95-100
How pray tell are these the same... :rolleyes:
...why?Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Ian me old mucker - do you want to do me the worlds biggest favour known to man?
What are you up this Friday night......?
Oooh, I dunno. You might want to give me a lift at some silly hour in the morning (about 0130)......;)Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
...why?
from where to where..?Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Oooh, I dunno. You might want to give me a lift at some silly hour in the morning (about 0130)......;)
From the village in Prestwich (nr. Strangeways) to wherever I'm going to crawl and die (maybe my house)... :o
i always thought strangeways was cheetham hill. And which village do you mean?
The village hotel in Sedgley Park in Prestwich? You have to excuse my atrocious lack of knowledge of Manchester....
Sentience related post:
Is there any chance of you scrapping the Sentience bar from the splash screen and merely having a bigger version of that eye...?
I have no idea where that is...I'll look it up.Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
The village hotel in Sedgley Park in Prestwich? You have to excuse my atrocious lack of knowledge of Manchester....
I can do it, but it might look gh3yQuote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Sentience related post:
Is there any chance of you scrapping the Sentience bar from the splash screen and merely having a bigger version of that eye...?
It's a five minute drive from Gould St, drive down the side of the MEN Arena and turn right (Bury Old/New road) - keep on going and it's on your left, easy...Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
I have no idea where that is...I'll look it up.
Are you actually saying yes? My God man! I'd owe you big time if you did, might even give you a great big sloppy kiss!!!!
Possibly. I'm not overly keen on the SBar on the splash screen though. It looks really nice on the main menu, but sort of looks out of place on the splash...Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
I can do it, but it might look gh3y
Whilst I'm thinking about it, what are the chances of you drawing like a control panel thing for the main menu?
I've been informed that the green text on the main menu looks very home made. Which is true - 'cos it is...
Any chance of you doing something about it?
Updated Graphics List - you may wish to mail this home...
Animated faction logos
Monster houses Progress is being made
Monsters Progress is apparently being made
Air chassis
Sea chassis
Coloured weapons Complete :)
Weather effects (let me know how you think this may be done)
Splash sceen with integrated logo Progress made - being redrafted
Main menu background with integrated logo (lower left with space below for version number) Spec changed. Seperates to be sent this evening
Animated sensor buildings (couple of)
Animated reactor buildings (couple of)
Animated gun turrets (couple of)
Weapon effects (ranged weapons - let me know about how to do this)
Little mine pictures (for land and sea - varying amounts to denote how heavily mined things are) Progress apparently made
Mine pictures for the components screen Progress apparently made?
Ammo pictures (mostly kinetic, but some laser types for representative purposes)
More buildings (we ain't got many)
Missiles for the component screen (big nukes etc)
Some end of game screens (win/lose etc)
Interim screens for other players (faction eradicated)
Backdrop screen for each faction (to display the next player screen on top of)
Maybe think about some custom borders for each faction (around minimap etc - think of the protoss/terran/zerg game interfaces...)
Interface for main menu
Generic shield effect for buildings (animated if poss)
Its not a yes yet, but I'll give it some serious thought. I think the biggest hinderance is money. Any chance of financial recompense?Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
It's a five minute drive from Gould St, drive down the side of the MEN Arena and turn right (Bury Old/New road) - keep on going and it's on your left, easy...
Are you actually saying yes? My God man! I'd owe you big time if you did, might even give you a great big sloppy kiss!!!!
I'll give it a go...Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Possibly. I'm not overly keen on the SBar on the splash screen though. It looks really nice on the main menu, but sort of looks out of place on the splash...
I think we need to discuss this further to establish what you really wantQuote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Whilst I'm thinking about it, what are the chances of you drawing like a control panel thing for the main menu?
I've been informed that the green text on the main menu looks very home made. Which is true - 'cos it is...
Any chance of you doing something about it?
That goes without saying. You'd also get my house for the day/evening if you wish as I wouldn't expect you to blunder into your parents house after dropping me off at that time in the morning. That would have its benefits (esp. if Rachels got no plans for that evening ;) ).Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
Any chance of financial recompense?
I'd also throw £10-£15 or so at you for petrol (which should get you to Leeds and back twice never mind Manchester!).
That do ya?
True.Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
I think we need to discuss this further to establish what you really want
Damn, if you had XP we could have done a bit of a pen and paper session. It has this mint whiteboard thing, which is basically a paintbrush screen you can both draw on at the same time. Well cool!
Failing that, then bollocks. I really don't know, could you knock something up and send it on to me?
hmm...sounds good. I'll let you know tonight. The question arises - if you're prepared to pay £10-£15, how much is a taxi?!Quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
That goes without saying. You'd also get my house for the day/evening if you wish as I wouldn't expect you to blunder into your parents house after dropping me off at that time in the morning. That would have its benefits (esp. if Rachels got no plans for that evening ;) ).
I'd also throw £10-£15 or so at you for petrol (which should get you to Leeds and back twice never mind Manchester!).
That do ya?
Well... by £10-15 I actually mean £5.Quote:
Originally posted by Behemoth
hmm...sounds good. I'll let you know tonight. The question arises - if you're prepared to pay £10-£15, how much is a taxi?!
Naww, I'd throw a tenner at you - but a taxi would be a silly amount of money back to my place.
Oh, and I won't be popping round early this evening - as soon as 1600 comes I'm out of here - I don't want to stay any longer.
I'll be online though right after 1800 so you can chat/send me stuff then.
I might bob round later on in the evening if needs be though - depends how lippy you get. ;)
Right, I'm out of here.
You've got that big list of graphics to be going on with, have fun.
By the end of this evening I'd like....
The amended monster houses (no backgrounds, no halos)
The monsters in bmps (no backgrounds, no halos)
The backgrounds without the Sentience bar
The Sentience bar (and it's Y co-ord on the screen)