I should let my flood insurance go though, it never floods in South Louisiana.
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I should let my flood insurance go though, it never floods in South Louisiana.
Amen to that sister.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
Volcanoes though... That's a serious threat. I mean, aren't we overdue for one?
Do you sell meteor insurance too?
Only if you live south of Grand Isle.
Not so small an amount of trouble. To do a good job with the cutting would have required a special saw, so there would be a fair expense. I did try a bit of cutting with cold chisel, and had mixed results. The lines weren't clean enough to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
There is no error. You simply ignore all red blocks and all is well. Binary doesn't carry any inherent meaning. We impose meaning on it when we turn a binary signal into 1s and 0s, then we impose further meaning on it when we interpret some set of binary digits to mean some kind of letter. Had I used some encoding other than ASCII, or some encoding other than 7 bits to a letter, you'd be sorely pressed to figure any of it out. Only by relying on a rigorous convention does the pattern hold any meaning. After all, since I needed less than 32 characters, I could have made my own 6 bit encoding to write the message, but then nobody would be able to figure it out without putting a lot of effort into it. It might not have contained enough information to be able to figure out every symbol, had I done it that way.Quote:
You mean the error you built into your binary backyard is still there? °o°
So, I have imposed a convention that makes it readable. There is nothing pure or impure about it. It is what it is, and that is complete. By saying that it is ASCII, and by saying that the red bits are fill, I give you the tools to interpret the binary into text. Had I not given that information, it could have been inferred with some difficulty. The rules are as much a part of the pattern as the bits themselves. However, it is all just binary, with no right or wrong other than that which we impose upon it.
Shaggy and Witis would be interested in Binary insurance. To protects against intrusions from other numbers.
This post brought to you by the number 3.
AwkwardQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I know, I was hoping number 2 would step up. I guess not :/
Number 2 is stepping up. I just didn't think you'd want me to share that.
Whahaha! Took me a second to register that!
It ain't over until the paperwork is finished.
It seems I'll always be more of a binary purist than you, but ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
You can't tell me to simply ignore the error and all is well. According to that logic you could sell a house demolished by a sinkhole at full market price, just ignore the damage to the house and land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I think the classic would have been an 8 bit binary pattern rather than 6 or 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Although the obvious problem is that using 3 colours immediately makes me think of anything except a binary pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I sure would.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
Don't worry, all is well.
http://championfoundation.com/wp-con...y-Sinkhole.jpg
See, that's an issue that we're having right now. Homeowners insurance doesn't cover for earth movement, aka - sinkholes. We had a huge sinkhole in Raceland last year that damaged some homes. I'm glad I wasn't the guy who had to say that it wasn't covered.
By the way Witis, you have the water table to low in that first picture. It should be about a foot to two feet below the surface.
No, only one form of binary purist, which makes you more of a binary bigot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
There isn't any error. There is only a rule that is applied when translating the code into text. That translation is a human activity. The code itself is what it is, only we give it meaning. As long as the rules are consistent, we can retrieve from it whatever meaning was put into it. If the rules are not consistent, then anybody extracting meaning will not necessarily extract the same meaning as the person who created the code. That would be called art.Quote:
You can't tell me to simply ignore the error and all is well. According to that logic you could sell a house demolished by a sinkhole at full market price, just ignore the damage to the house and land.
Only in certain systems and under certain designs. 8 bits does seem like a reasonable number, being a power of 2 and all, but it isn't the only pattern that has been used in computers. 7 and 9 bit byte systems also exist. I haven't head of a 6 bit byte system, but it could easily exist.Quote:
I think the classic would have been an 8 bit binary pattern rather than 6 or 7.
Anything at all? I'd be morbidly curious as to what it made you think of?Quote:
Although the obvious problem is that using 3 colours immediately makes me think of anything except a binary pattern.
Where you live, maybe....actually, it would almost be the case where I live, too, except I think that it is perhaps 4-6 feet down. That's a bit unusual for a desert. I happen to live in an area where there are lots of natural springs. The fall is pretty natural, too, but the summer is hellish and the winter is highly unnatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
Anyone want to move to Las Vegas, Nevada with me? Comparing the housing prices from Orange County and Las Vegas... I could save enough money working in California to move to Nevada and buy a house I would never be able to afford in California.
3 Bedroom 2 bath house in Orange county: $400,000 range
4 Bedroom 4 Bath with a Pool in Nevada: $150,000 range.
Uhh Yes Please.
That's what the price for homes look like here. We have cheap Mexican labor. We have big refineries that give big paychecks. The housing market is great where I live.
You can go even cheaper up here. $150K would be a bit low for a 3 bed/2bath house in Boise, but you can still get such a place for around $100K, and possibly lower, in the suburbs (such as they are).
You also have floods. I guess Nevada is subject to flash floods too... But Nevada doesn't have alligators.
Plus Nevada is a 3 hour drive from OC
California Sucks. Too expensive... terrible gun restrictions... that about sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I've watched some house hunter shows and I'm blown away with the COL in California.
There's a reason for those prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
There's a reason for our prices, too.
For a small house in Orange County, I would be paying $2000/month for 30 years. Ends up being Over $700,000 total for a $400,000 house. Not exactly sure how the numbers work.Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
I would honestly love to move out of state, but I am already anti-social enough. I would have such a hard time meeting people in Nevada. Well, until I start drinking that is.
Convenience fee? The ability to go surfing, snowboarding, and quading in the desert all in the same day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I prefer my binary strictly ones and zeros, my apologies for maintaining my two tone binary view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Sure there is an error, the placement of the red bricks at the top left hand side of the picture you posted entirely destroys any ability to extract the binary encoded ascii characters effectively voiding the meaning of the message. :ÞQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Sadly I don't imagine it is possible to extract any meaning anymore. :LQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I guess it vaguely resembles a game of Tetris to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
That's not true. The rules are simple:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
1) Bytes are seven bits.
2) Ignore any red bricks.
That's all you need to know....well, that and the starting location, the direction to read, and whether gray is 1 or 0, but all three of those can be worked out from the information given. All of the red bricks are therefore without meaning, but they do serve a purpose which isn't essential to the rules. The fact that, for the most part, every eighth brick is red gives you a clue as to the direction of reading (N-S or E-W), though it doesn't give you any hint as to whether you start from the right or the left, top or the bottom. Those points can be worked out without undue difficulty. However, the rules are all that is truly needed, so the fact that the red bricks are occasionally used as fill makes no difference, because rule #2 states that you ignore them.
Sure it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Ignore the red bricks, aren't they are supposed to delimit each character?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
You can't use them as a delimiter and also use them as fill as doing so destroys any ability to extract any meaning from the pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
We have the same problem :3 It's why I don't like moving but sometimes there's no choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by dclamp
Oups. :blush:Quote:
Originally Posted by dday9
Nope. You are focusing on the wrong thing. The pattern is entirely readable following those two rules and ONLY those two rules. That means I can use the red bricks for multiple purposes, and I have. Don't try to make up a third rule that involves the red bricks, because there isn't one and you don't need it anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
Shaggy you already admitted that you have an error in your binary backyard in post #55823:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
You binary vandal you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Binary - it's as easy as tan, grey, and red.
The error is not in the binary, the error is in the description I gave, but it doesn't matter. According to rule #2, you ignore all red bricks when reading the pattern. The only thing that the red bricks can do is give you some hint as to which direction to read and possibly where to start reading, though they don't really do that. They are only a hint, though, and there is no absolute rule regarding the red bricks. While it is true that every eigth brick is red, that doesn't mean that every red brick is an eigth brick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witis
It did get me thinking, though. If you were to read the patter E-W or W-E rather than N-S, it would have no meaning. You have to read the patter N-S, but had I written a palindrome, and if you were to swap the endian nature of the bytes, you could read the pattern S-N, as well. I didn't write a palindrome, as there are few with meaning of the size I needed (maybe none). However, would it be possible to have created a pattern such that it would have one meaning when read N-S, and another meaning when read E-W? I believe that would not be possible without a much more liberal use of red bricks, but if I were to add a third rule:
3) Red bricks should be ignored.
then I think it would have been technically possible to encode a message both N-S as well as E-W, though without the red brick hints, it is unlikely that anybody would ever have known that there was a pattern, let alone been able to read it. I also think that the character count in either direction would be radically reduced due to the need to use LOTS of red bricks in the pattern. Still, this would be an interesting excercise for a much larger area than the one I had. It would be a largely red pattern, but it would appear highly random.