Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

You'll own nothing and you will be... unhappy.

Some context to understand:

The Word Economic Forum, that is an organization of multimillionaires, have some goals and a plan for 2030.
It is called The Great Reset.

You can investigate for yourself if you are interested, all this is true.
There is no "theory" here (anyway I'm not saying that theories are bad), it is all published by themselves.

One of their slogans is "You will own nothing and you will be happy".

Of course if you own nothing, someone else will own the thing you need for living.

I have been warning in past posts, that you will have to pay a rent for what now is your home.
And that their goal is to have a world full of slaves.

Now, watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXTPzFSx6oI

It is already happening.

They will say that whatever Russell Brand say is not valid because he is a comedian.
That they only read scientific peer reviewed papers and BS like that (that is not true anyway).

They want to silence the message by killing the messenger.

It doesn't matter if it is Russell Brand or anyone who say something, it is important if that is true.
But they don't care whether it is true or not, they just want to silence it.

You can read the source in the bottom of each information he presents, they are like "The New Your Times" or other publications. Anyone is able to check them by themselves. They don't do that anyway.
Their only argument is that since it is from Russell Brand, it is not worth even to watch.

It doesn't matter who says something, the only thing that matters is if it is true.

The can debunk any Nobel Price that they don't like what he says (they already did), so their argument is totally false.

Should I spend time answering or reading people like these? Of course not. My time is mine.

About the video, I hope it helps you understand what is going on in the world with this "Big Reset" and their plans.

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Nope, the only thing that matters if it is verifiably true.


And the Big Reset isn't a conspiracy. It was a public conference held to pre-empt possible challenges we are going to face over the next few decades considering the impacts of climate change, AI and a host of other emerging phenomena. The papers, lectures etc of which are freely available to you. You may not like some the things that were proposed (I don't like some of them) but it is on no way a conspiracy. It's labelling as a conspiracy comes largely from QAnon.

And I can post a lot more Mr. Parker, they don't verify anything that they don't want to discover that is true.
They just use any invalid argument to discredit, like in my example post, saying that if something was said by Russell Brand, they don't want to care to verify anything because he is not qualified to talk seriously about any subject. And that my source is "Russell Brand". How much more dishonest someone can be?

BTW, Look at this fallacies:

Ad Verecundiam.

Ad hominem.

Straw man.

Argumentum ad populum.

Just some, there are others.

this is also a good "start here" video

https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/monopoly

or from youtube (seems they added some additional intro, but the rest is the same)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUXdIBp21iw

When the law works, politicians crap themselves.

Austria gov imposed a measure for lockdown on the unvaccinated.

A powerful Constitutional Court has issued a ‘please explain’ requesting detailed data on hospitalisations, masks and vaccines to justify heavy-handed Covid-19 rules.
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...b69fbc4c87f699

After 2 days from the court call, the lockdown was lifted. Wa-wa-waaaaa.
Warnkernsssss!!!

So the same thing is happening in Greece, only that our higher courts are so corrupt, so corrupt that even if politicians, born of an offside on the defender field, pass a law to stand on one leg, they won't argue.

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And I can post a lot more Mr. Parker, they don't verify anything that they don't want to discover that is true.
They just use any invalid argument to discredit, like in my example post, saying that if something was said by Russell Brand, they don't want to care to verify anything because he is not qualified to talk seriously about any subject. And that my source is "Russell Brand". How much more dishonest someone can be?

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Eduardo, Baka, you guys just have to keep your cool and don't get angry. If I provided my own info or opinions here, and someone countered it, if I believe I'm right I'll recounter without losing my marbles. I welcome info from others, even if I don't agree with them.

You guys need to take it easy.

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Eduardo, Baka, you guys just have to keep your cool and don't get angry. If I provided my own info or opinions here, and someone countered it, if I believe I'm right I'll recounter without losing my marbles. I welcome info from others, even if I don't agree with them.

You guys need to take it easy.

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Yes, and what about when they delete your threads?
What about your time?
As I said: I'm fine if I don't have to waste time replying to them.

Did you read any of what I wrote? I'm not being helped by flawed/invalid arguments. It is not a good investment for me reading them.

I will keep posting and ignoring them as long as I can do it. See my post #5301.

If you are really interested in the subject, and want to keep a conversation, then please consider taking some time. You first need to study, get informed, check information.

So, the steps are: watch the video of post #5310.

Study, at least a bit, what are valid arguments and what are invalid ones by reading the fallacies linked at post #5309.

If you are not willing to take that necessary time, good bye.
(and please don't say anything about what you think is happening here, or you will be also ignored).

I'm fine, don't worry. I have fought dragons, I will not be frightened by dogs. The most they can do is to ban me from the forum (since they are so cowards).
Humor, yes, I have lot of humor.

its a progress P.
when you get cancelled (cancel culture) because you have a different opinion, what do you think is the reaction?

here an example:
- you learn that drinking milk is dangerous. you found out that it contains a property that will give you cancer
- you decide to avoid it, and you tell your close ones that they should not drink it.
- now a campaign start, everywhere, media, government tell you that you need to drink milk, theres a very important ingredient that vital for your survival
- you first think, really? but I did know it was bad. why do they say this? maybe Im wrong
- you start to look into it. but you are still not buying it.
- you also wonder, why milk? theres other drinks that we could use.
- in media you see a lot of news about people dying. they say its because they didnt drink milk.
- time passes. and you see an increase of people believing in this, milk for life.
- you also notice that other drinks are now banned. the orange juice that seems to work well, you can not use.
- more and more people are dying, but you think. why so many old people, and why didnt they get help? they didnt give them orange juice.
- you start to get a bit concerned. its starting to get out of hand.
- in the meanwhile you discover that other people think like you. they have doctors and scientist look into it and they find that something is bad with milk.
- but now, after all this time no matter what you look, media, government, agencies everything tells you milk is good, and nobody is arguing against it.
- you think. why is this one-sided? wheres the other side discussing it? what if this is bad?
- you also start to notice an increase of censorship. anything saying milk is bad is censored or you read that its fake, tons of fact checkers discredit it completely.
- in the same time, more and more people are reacting. they make videos, interviews, research, theres lawyers looking into it, doctors that tells about their own discovery etc.
- now many many people are drinking milk and they tell that all the non-milk drinkers they are bad. saying "you are trying to kill us. its your fault. you need to drink milk"
- while the non-milk drinkers believe theres something dangerous in milk and try to prove it.
- but the cancel culture, the censorship, the government are not making it easy, they are being silenced.
- some government are now forcing people to drink milk. they tell u, you need to to protect the milk-drinkers.
- and they want kids to drink it as well.
- you ask, why? if this is about protecting the milk-drinkers, why do I need to drink as well? and kids they don't need it.
- they say, you are a burden. when u are not drinking you get sick.
- now, the non-drinkers try to explain, this is not true. they try to show with data, that this is not the case at all. the data is manipulated.
- even so, the drink-movement is very strong. they are not listening at all. they want to mandate it more and more.
- right now, everywhere we get more and more doctors showing up, sharing their story. more and more people are now against the milk.
- the world now see that, the milk is not doing much anymore, but you still need to drink it.
- why? because it will protect you?
- against what? and they show data of so many people dying.
- can you prove the data is correct? it seems you include all death, a milk-drinkers that is waiting for approval, is considered a non-drinker during a 2 weeks time.
- people that enter the hospital that need a joint operation, but is positive, is considered to be a non-milk drinkers.
- and here we are.

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If you are not willing to take that necessary time, good bye.
(and please don't say anything about what you think is happening here, or you will be also ignored).

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You've proven time after time that you couldn't ignore somebody no matter what.

I've lost track of what your positions are. Baka seems to believe that vaccines are harmful. Eduardo and Niya both got vaccinated, so I assume that neither think the vaccines will kill them. There seems to be some belief, perhaps shared, that the point of vaccines is control, or is it that the point of mandates is control? Is that a view shared by all of you, and is it the vaccines themselves, or just the mandates?

Either way, what is the point of authoritarian countries, which already have utter control over every aspect of life and have shown a willingness to use draconian means to suppress dissent, to mandate vaccines? They already have total control, so what's the point for them?

Hey Peter Parker, please read post #5063, post #5064 and post #5080 and tell me if I should keep reading/answering to them.

Believe, I did for a long time, it is useless (95%, not entirely but the 5% don't worth the effort). And they are so aggressive.
No, I want to talk with people in peace. I don't like this kind of fights and trolling.
That's why we opened a new thread (actually two), to talk without the trolling.

my position:

- vaccination are "forced" and they created a campaign to discredit medicine that could work (that is actually used, and tested)
- there's a research team saying that not all batches are "bad". it seems its coordinated. if you lucky, the vaccine is actually "ok" with that "5%" or so side-effects.
- Im not against vaccination. if tested and for the right people. and of course not forced.
- I want early treatments to be accepted and also discussed more openly by media and government
- I want media/big pharma/government to be convicted for all the damages they have done with this aggressive campaign that costed millions of life.
- I want an independent lawyer/research team to look into the vaccination campaign if theres any crime. (theres already one, but I want one that all government in the world agree to make)
- the last point < is hard if theres infiltration and corruption in governments, that is why point 5 need to come first.

do you understand what Im trying to say?
if this is true, it means the corruption is on another level. its global, its terrifying. hundreds if not thousands of people will be sentenced.
not sure theres any way to repair that damage, the trust. maybe this will start a revolution.
that is why the campaign is aggressive, and even illogical. they are trying with everything they got to not let it out and to control it.
as you can see, Australia and Canada, is out of hand. they try to shut it down, telling lying in the news that the protesters are extremist or payed by Russia.

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Your threads (yours and Baka's) were deleted by admins because they contained links to some videos that contained disturbing imagery including a mock beheading. They broke the rules of the forum.

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Hey Peter Parker, please read post #5063, post #5064 and post #5080 and tell me if I should keep reading/answering to them.

Believe, I did for a long time, it is useless (95%, not entirely but the 5% don't worth the effort). And they are so aggressive.
No, I want to talk with people in peace. I don't like this kind of fights and trolling.
That's why we opened a new thread (actually two), to talk without the trolling.

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How that work out for you :rolleyes:

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Your threads (yours and Baka's) were deleted by admins because they contained links to some videos that contained disturbing imagery including a mock beheading. They broke the rules of the forum.

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This is a lie and you know it. My thread is still there and contained nothing.
The only video is of the European parliament.

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How that work out for you :rolleyes:

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I want to talk in peace with people that really want to share ideas. That's all.
Is that difficult to understand?

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This is a lie and you know it. My thread is still there and contained nothing.

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That one was a second thread and was closed down as it was a continuation of the first. The first was created by Baka I think. You might want to take note that it was an Admin that took those actions and consider whether you want to continue in this vein.

this is interesting.
its a "follow up" from John O-Looney – Funeral Home Whistleblower.
and he explain what "really happened" when he was in the hospital.
another thing that he is talking about is,
how come the virus targeted care homes? he said.
(and its the same here, I remember the first few months, it was just care homes here in Sweden and thousands died, and the same with the horrible news from Italy, so many elderly died, also seemed to target mostly care homes, and now John says the same, in England as well, the same "phenomena")

listen more here:
https://zeeemedia.com/interview/john...accine-deaths/

(this doesn't mean we need to believe in him 100%, he could be lying, or exaggerating, but it could also be some truth as well)

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No, I didn't use that term until you had posted again and again about how difficult, dangerous, and challenging life is where you are. You've been relentlessly negative about your own home. I've never heard a single positive statement about the life you live and where you live it and LOTS of negative statements. Eventually, I just ended up summing it up, but it is based on your descriptions, not mine. Start talking more positively about your life and you won't hear anything like that statement from me. As long as you make it sound so relentlessly miserable, then you sound like those people I worked with in that valley where nobody had any dreams because they couldn't imagine a life outside that valley.

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Again, you interpreted what I was saying in terms of it being positive or negative. This is a very American mindset. I'm just saying how it is. Despite everything I said, I never once said I wanted to live anywhere else or that it was unbearable. In fact, I'd rather our problems than yours to be perfectly honest. It is true that to live comfortably where I'm from requires a certain level of awareness and distrust of people and of the system itself but we have a lot of freedoms that Americans do not. And while people here are more blatantly predatory and self-serving(like most humans on the planet), if you know how to deal with them, you might actually find it's a lot easier to live over here than in America. For example, we aren't forced to acknowledge nonsense like non-binary genders. There is no radical feminism here. There is none of that SJW garbage over here either. We have free health care. Owning property requires far less wealth and is far less restricted by red tape. There are a number of things that make life better here than what Americans have to endure. But you have to be realistic about people and about life in general. Those lofty ideals some of you have just won't cut it.

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I'll tell you a story.
In 2006 it came to my knowledge that there were people actually holding that the Earth was flat.
I could not believe that in Century XXI that was even possible.
(Flatearthers were not famous at that time like they are now)
I was curious what they had to say.

I found a forum here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/

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Flat-earthers didn't seem all that strange to me as I was previously aware of another insanity, young Earth creationists. Now those guys are some nutjobs. There was a time I was very heavy into anti-religious content. When I was a young adult, certain elder people that I respected tried to convert me into a Jehovah's Witness. They almost succeeded in indoctrinating me but for whatever reason, I was always a critical person. I've always had a curious mind and what these people were teaching me didn't make sense. I didn't know what to make of their teachings. This led me to YouTube which led me to a lot of anti-religious content that reasoned in a way that I felt at home with. This is when I discovered there were such things in the world as young Earth creationists and later on, flat-earthers. I became a full blown atheist at that point, though I've always hated that label. I don't see myself as an Atheist. I'm just a guy that doesn't buy into nonsense without question, whether it's religious or otherwise.

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I went, started reading and participated in some discussions.
As you could expect, their arguments are so weak. That the Earth is flat because is that what you see in your experience (I don't remember what they said about the ships going down in the horizon), that there is a conspiracy and all the images from the space are fake, things like that.
IDK if they improved something, I didn't read now.
Still, no one knew if the FE theory supporters really believed that or they did it for some kind of fun or whatever.
It seemed like some really believed that, but it seems too crazy.

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This sounds an awful lot like religious indoctrination, something I'm very familiar with as per my paragraph above. Arguments tend to be weak and there are a lot of contradictions etc.

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But I found one that was not a flatearther, but his theory was that the Earth was a globe as it actually is, but was not moving, that it is still in the space.
And that everything else is moving around it (the sun, planets, stars, galaxies, whatever).

I told him that in that case, distant stars and galaxies that are at 13,000 millions light years away or more, would have to travel to a speed much greater than the speed of light to make a turn every 24 hours.

He told me that that was not a problem, that in Einstein's Relativity theory it is fine to suppose that, and that all calculations support that.

I told him about Coriolis force. He said that there is no problem with that, or anything. That the math worked anyway.

I didn't know what to think about that, and decided to ask the people that understand the subject.

I went to an Usenet newsgroup that I used to go and posted the question. On that group there were some guys that were really intelligent, they were physicists, university professors of physics or students.
Those were the good times of internet, when it was really democratic, and anyone could easily find where to ask an expert in a field.

To my surprise they didn't answer that what the guy said was not right.
They said that the Galilean cosmology was preferable to the Ptolemaic System because of its simplicity, not because the Ptolemaic one was "wrong".
Humm? WT...

Of course I was a bit lost.

Then someone said that I was being "a naive realist", and pointed me to read this: https://www.boogieonline.com/seeking/

I highly recommend to read it for someone that wants to understand how science works.

They also pointed me to read an Einstein writing about two rotating spheres in the Universe (as they were alone), one rotating regarding the other one. It is an interesting thought experiment.
I don't find it now, but I think it could be here under the section Relativity of Inertia ("Mach's Principle").

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Science is something we all have to be careful with. A lot of people have adopted the banner of science but what they are often doing is anything but science.

Also, I think what a lot of people miss with science is that it is not really about fact in the truest sense of the word. Science gives an approximation of reality. I mean think about classical mechanics. You could make a strong argument that what classical mechanics tells us about the universe is true but it's actually not. It's just an extremely good approximation of how reality actually works. With regards to the guy you mentioned and his view that the Earth stands still. It sounds a lot like he just came up with his own approximations. As long his hypothesis agrees with what is actually observed, it is just as valid as any mainstream scientific view. This is common in science.

The best example I can think of is Newton vs Einstein. Einstein's theories have proven to be more accurate, especially when it comes to the nature of gravity. But did this mean we just threw away Newton's stuff because it's wrong? No. Newton's science is still valid, it's just that Einstein's science is more accurate and covers more ground. It is entirely possible that neither of these guys have even come close to truth of how reality actually works. They just came up with the best approximations in the respective time periods.

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I'm not directing this at you specifically...just jumping in in the thread at this point...



And who decides that? The two I mentioned are spreading absolutely false information that, maybe not affecting people at this site, adds to the 'global campaign" of misinformation that is killing millions. If the position here is people are smart enough to disregard it I'd agree. But tolerating this, not just here but across the forums, adds to people dying.

And it seems ludicrous that if I post the text "****" here I'll get a warning or knocked off from allowing to post but a couple of people can continue to post outright lies and falsehoods. What is more vulgar, a swearword, or harmful speech that has been proven to, by spreading falsehoods across the globe, to be killing people?

Suppose a couple of posters managed two squeeze in holocaust denial? Post after post for weeks how it wasn't true. Blog and podcast after another of people that "prove" it didn't happen. Telling anyone that disagreed they were ignorant and the enemy? Is the approach at this forum , well the people here know that isn't true?

How about if I got into race hate and fear mongering, is that crossing the line? Probably...

My point is there are some posters here that are flat out lying in a way that can be harmful. In total, across the internet, tolerating that is killing people, I don't like that this site is being part of allowing that. But I do respect this site allowing that only in the vein of free speech.

Ok; Which will get me a warning here from the moderators...Vaccines are worthless, the government is lying and resist any health measures because they are lying , masks are worthless, Kill Fauci , or posting F**K?

Where are the moderators priorities?

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You know I understand the need for moderation on a forum. But if I'm am to be totally honest, I dislike the notion of moderating any online discussion at all. I don't mind it as long is it's not heavy handed but if it were up to me, there'd be no moderators at all. This is why I absolutely love sites like 4Chan where people can say how they really feel. And while 4Chan is 80% bigoted nonsense, I have actually found some really intelligent posts over there that simply cannot exist anywhere else.

My thing is, who really knows anything. I could say one thing while you say another. Why should anyone decide that what I'm saying is valid and what you're saying is misinformation or vice versa. I am a huge fan of open discussions where all points of view are allowed equal opportunity to be heard. I do not support this idea of swatting down one side of the argument while dismissing them as "crazies". You never know. This "misinformation" could very well turn out to be fact. We don't really know.

As a perfect example I love Eduardo's attitude towards the flat-eathers. I mean any person with a lick of sense knows they are crazy but he still decided to engage with them to try and better understand them. I think this is a far better way than just outright dismissing them as troubled people. I am what many would consider a stanch atheist, however I have found a lot of valid information is religious texts. I think the Bible is full of "misinformation" and in my younger years, I'd have said it was a plague upon humanity that needs to be destroyed because it leads to millions dying. But as I've grown older and wiser, I realized it's not that simple. For example, I think the book of Genesis is a bunch of voodoo nonsense, while at the same time I think the book or Proverbs is one of the wisest piece of literature ever written. I've also found that despite thinking religious people might be a bit brainwashed, a lot of them actually do have some real wisdom to impart. You just have to be a little tolerant to people that are different from you.

My point is this, I don't think any side should be silenced because some people might be uncomfortable with what is being said. Let it be heard and debated but do not silence it.

Also, I think a thread is missing. I remember seeing something like a Mass Formation thread show up in "What's new" but I was busy focusing on the ListBox thread. Now I can't find it.

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You know I understand the need for moderation on a forum. But if I'm am to be totally honest, I dislike the notion of moderating any online discussion at all. I don't mind it as long is it's not heavy handed but if it were up to me, there'd be no moderators at all. This is why I absolutely love sites like 4Chan where people can say how they really feel. And while 4Chan is 80% bigoted nonsense, I have actually found some really intelligent posts over there that simply cannot exist anywhere else.

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4Chan is something of a public square. Ultimately, this is not. This is a programming forum. Chit-Chat is not programming. It's a good thing to have, but everybody needs to show a bit more restraint than they would otherwise. After all, the line is always a fuzzy one when it comes to ethics and morality. There are quite a wide range of views represented here, and there are realms of discussion where we dare not tread. After all, if people were to language lawyer the heck out of chit chat, then it would probably just be eliminated, and that would not be a good thing at all. Therefore, everybody moderates their language and their behavior. You may have noticed that the most live-wire topics in society don't show up here. There are no threads on religion, and virtually none on politics.

However, any controversial topic, whether it is politics, COVID, or the future of VB6, can generally be identified by the number of pages in the thread. The exception to that is the Post Race.

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It's a good thing to have, but everybody needs to show a bit more restraint than they would otherwise. After all, the line is always a fuzzy one when it comes to ethics and morality. There are quite a wide range of views represented here, and there are realms of discussion where we dare not tread.

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I don't think I will ever understand this. As far as I'm concerned, the only line that should be drawn is personal insults. I do not believe any discussion should be moderated outside of attacks upon the participants of the discussion by other participants. If a guy comes here to debate genocide as a good public policy or someone wants to extol the virtues of beating his wife, he should be allowed to do so freely. I do not believe in silencing these guys just because the majority may find their ideas distasteful. I've never understood this. I've always believed that the best remedy for stupid ideas is ridicule, not the silencing of the persons behind the ideas. Allowing it to be debated and discussed would quickly reveal if such ideas have merit or if they are indeed nonsense.

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I'd also add, that I've learned in life even the most outlandish or idiotic ideas can have kernels of wisdom in it.

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I don't think I will ever understand this. As far as I'm concerned, the only line that should be drawn is personal insults. I do not believe any discussion should be moderated outside of attacks upon the participants of the discussion by other participants.

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It is an Inquisition.

"Say that what you are saying is wrong or we will burn you". :mad:

It happened to Galileo, it happened to Servetus, it happened to almost every one that opposed mainstream view.

When mainstream was right in history?
It was never right, ever.

I dare you (whoever is reading this) to argue to demonstrate when mainstream views were right in history, at any time.

Of course, no one will answer anything, because when we make strong arguments like this they remain silent. That's the quality of the "debate" that we have been having here.

Still, I learned things from baka, Niya and Olaf (from reasoning or from materials they linked).
I'm thankful to them.

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It happened to Galileo, it happened to Servetus, it happened to almost every one that opposed mainstream view.

When mainstream was right in history?

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Remember when chattel slavery was mainstream? I think a lot of people don't realize that many mainstream ideas about what it right and wrong is dependent almost solely upon those strong enough to enforce these ideas by silencing counter arguments and enforcing compliance through the law. Now not all ideas are bad. I think we can all agree that murder and stealing should be considered wrong but even in these cases arguments can be made to justify them(eg. Killing someone who has harmed your child or invading your home). But not all mainstream ideas should be accepted without challenge. Chattel slavery would still be legal today if no one ever dared to challenge the narrative of the time.

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Remember when chattel slavery was mainstream? I think a lot of people don't realize that many mainstream ideas about what it right and wrong is dependent almost solely upon those strong enough to enforce these ideas by silencing counter arguments and enforcing compliance through the law. Now not all ideas are bad. I think we can all agree that murder and stealing should be considered wrong but even in these cases arguments can be made to justify them(eg. Killing someone who has harmed your child or invading your home). But not all mainstream ideas should be accepted without challenge. Chattel slavery would still be legal today if no one ever dared to challenge the narrative of the time.

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I think you know what I'm talking about.

When someone was burned or hanged because he argued with arguments in favor of murdering people?

We are not talking about if going to the bathroom is right or wrong. Or if being dressed in public is good or bad.

Those are just common sense.

We are talking about people trying to open the eyes of other people.
I'll add Paul of Tarsus as another example. And why not Jesus Christ.

Interesting and deep views from Brand today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKf7PWd7QgA

I guess he has someone that make the scrips. I don't think he is so intelligent to do so many good videos so quickly (though I don't know much about him).
But that means nothing, the important thing is the message, what he is saying.

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When someone was burned or hanged because he argued with arguments in favor of murdering people?

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Not what I meant. I was merely pointing out even with things like murder, valid arguments can be made to justify it.

The overall tone of my post came from me imagining what it was like being an abolitionist in slave owning America trying to convince the mainstream proponents that slavery was evil. Today we know slavery is evil but back then to suggest otherwise might have been controversial, much like some of our views in this very thread seem controversial today. Slavery is just one example of what you were talking about, a mainstream view that turned out to be dead wrong but was considered right in it's day.

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Originally Posted by Niya

Not what I meant. I was merely pointing out even with things like murder, valid arguments can be made to justify it.

The overall tone of my post came from me imagining what it was like being an abolitionist in slave owning America trying to convince the mainstream proponents that slavery was evil. Today we know slavery is evil but back then to suggest otherwise might have been controversial, much like some of our views in this very thread seem controversial today. Slavery is just one example of what you were talking about, a mainstream view that turned out to be dead wrong but was considered right in it's day.

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Today, the whole world is full of slaves of big companies (that's what I truly think) and few people seem to think that "it is wrong" (I do).

I think anything, if it is against your will, is wrong.

But slavery in the past was not always made by captivity, it was sometimes a decision to be slave (like today is).

You can't judge a culture with today's eyes.

Lot of wrong things are in the world at any given time. The bad things evolve into different forms.
Why? Because human nature is the same.

PS: the idea of the owners mistreating slaves with whips, is from the movies.
Slavery wasn't like that actually in most of the cultures.
I don't think there are too much different with what slavery was in the past and now.

The difference now is that you can quit... and go to be slave of another company.

Human nature doesn't change. We have advances in medicine, in technology that makes our labors easier. But the evil keep adapting too, it finds new ways.
That's why it is not hard to me to understand what is happening now, because it is spiritual.

the latest Brand Show,
what he do is to connect whats going on to a human perspective.
try to understand how the world is affecting us, as individuals but also as a group.
and to tell us, what do you think, and tell us to reflect.
that part is important, otherwise how can you know its really you that decides something and not the media or the current social codes.

maybe thats the difference between a person that is open and a person that decided to follow (to be) the narrative.

I could think, for me freedom is very important, I would fight for it.
but if a person follows the narrative, he will surely do the same. that inevitable.

jesus would tell us: do not fight, let him hit you, tell him, you if need, Im here so you have let out of your aggression.
well, not that easy to do. should I just tell you. go ahead, spit on me, let it out your anger, if you dislike what Im saying, please say more, tell more about how you feel and what you think, I will accept it all.

Latest video, fresh today. Maria Zeee is interviewing Dr. Mike Yeadon

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Dr. Mike Yeadon is a former Chief Scientific Officer at Pfizer turned Whistleblower.

He has been exposing big Pharma lies in alternative media for months, mot recently revealing findings correlating to CDC Whistleblowers on batches released on purpose by big Pharma; some to maim, and others with the intent to kill global citizens. He has also been assisting with what is known to many in the public as Nuremberg 2.0.

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https://zeeemedia.com/interview/dr-m...nuremberg-2-0/
or
https://rumble.com/vtom4k-dr.-mike-y...vax-lots-.html

and more news:

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T-Mobile to terminate corporate employees who aren't vaccinated by April -memo

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https://www.reuters.com/business/med...mo-2022-01-29/

Wow...in the same post:

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As far as I'm concerned, the only line that should be drawn is personal insults

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I've always believed that the best remedy for stupid ideas is ridicule

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so Dr. Mike Yeadon is referring to this, if you are interested.

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PAUL SCHREYER: PANDEMIC SIMULATION GAMES – PREPARATION FOR A NEW ERA?

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/Eku7jPMEGtvJ/

quite nice history lesson
read more:
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

edit:
so watched both. and Im not sure what to recommend.
I think both are equally good, while Mike, is someone I already knew about and listened a few times, this is the first video of Paul,
and I think Paul is giving "at least me" more new information. that I think its very important.
we need more information to understand whats going on.

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Originally Posted by Eduardo-

Today, the whole world is full of slaves of big companies (that's what I truly think) and few people seem to think that "it is wrong" (I do).

I think anything, if it is against your will, is wrong.

But slavery in the past was not always made by captivity, it was sometimes a decision to be slave (like today is).

You can't judge a culture with today's eyes.

Lot of wrong things are in the world at any given time. The bad things evolve into different forms.
Why? Because human nature is the same.

PS: the idea of the owners mistreating slaves with whips, is from the movies.
Slavery wasn't like that actually in most of the cultures.
I don't think there are too much different with what slavery was in the past and now.

The difference now is that you can quit... and go to be slave of another company.

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Oh yes. You're 1000% right. We are still slaves. However, I would submit that slavery today is still a lot better than classical chattel slavery. Modern slavery is more mental than anything and trying to breaking free of it won't cost brutal bodily harm. All you have to do to escape is change your mindset. Boxer-turned-businessman Andrew Tate talks about this all the time. According to him most people are hypnotized into life long servitude by everyday ideas we take for granted, many of which are promoted in many mainstream narratives.

For example being a hard worker is extoled as a great virtue, one that can lead to riches if you work hard enough. However that is only true under certain conditions and the average worker bee isn't educated on exactly what these conditions are. They are just told to work harder. Just working harder isn't enough. I'm sure all of us know people that work themselves to death but are still living hand to mouth. This "work hard" ethic is actually promoted for the benefit of corporations, not us normal folk.

Also, this is far from the only way they seek to enslave us. There are so many ethos embedded in modern culture and promoted by powerful corporate interests that are meant to keep us running on that wheel while being completely blind to any paths that could take us off the wheel.

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Originally Posted by TysonLPrice

Wow...in the same post:

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Ridicule of the idea not the person. There is a big difference between saying someone's idea is stupid and saying the person is stupid.

You really thought you caught me contradicting myself there didn't you ;)

@Eduardo

You might like this video:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXr-8rIOg8

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Originally Posted by Niya

Ridicule of the idea not the person. There is a big difference between saying someone's idea is stupid and saying the person is stupid.

You really thought you caught me contradicting myself there didn't you ;)

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I know I did...you are backpedaling.

right now the amount of non-vaccinated in Sweden in 13%
one spokesman of public health authority says:

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The consequences will be that we will need to continue to have a lot of restrictions and rules that make it impossible to live as before the pandemic

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he also says the reason why they have not taken the vaccine is:
- Socially disadvantaged groups
- People with an addiction such as smoking alcohol
- Side effects of the vaccine

what he doesn't say is:
- Recovered, they feel its not needed
- People that don't believe in the narrative

meanwhile, theres still a lot of deaths, and u wonder. how can it be when 87% are vaccinated? those should not die, that was what they promised.
they will still use that as an excuse to continue this campaign. even if we reach 99% they will still say, its because of the 1% unvaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Niya

@Eduardo

You might like this video:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXr-8rIOg8

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I never liked twitter.
I think it is mostly for famous people.

It was the first platform to apply censorship, as the video shows.
It is now worse than ever. It is a leader in the authoritarian move of mass media and the groups behind them (now we know that they are fund investment groups).

I'm thinking what could be the solution. Possibly some p2p platform for social networks based on blockchain, but I don't see it clear.