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If you really want to understand what is going on, I can point you what to do. But you'll have to spend no less than six hours watching videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
I guess you are not willing to do that. So, yes, it gets weirder (like when you look into code of a program that you don't understand).
The movie The Wave sounded familiar, but not at all what was mentioned in the article. As it turns out, there have been several films with that name. I watched the Norwegian disaster film with that name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
Otherwise, that's an interesting experiment. I've stated on here before (albeit MANY years back) that there tends to be a few groups that form around any concept. There are the high priests, the true believers, and the enforcers. The concept can be truly insignificant. You can see it with backpackers, programmers, fishermen, and most likely any hobby. Of course, you also see it with religion and politics of all stripes. The high priests often don't know they fill that role, or are embarrassed to fill the role, but sometimes they relish the role and really lean into it. They tend to be the people who have really mastered the subject through great personal commitment, which is usually driven by an enthusiasm for the subject.
The enforcers are a subset of the true believers. The true believers may be quite devoted to the subject, but either don't feel they have sufficient skill, experience, or ability, or are fairly new. There are also casual participants, who aren't all that devoted, and often make up the largest group. They often don't much care about the wisdom of the high priests, and can readily lose interest.
The enforcers are perhaps the most interesting group. They tend to self-appoint, and decide who is sufficiently pure. They also often act as gate keepers, deciding who is in the club and who is excluded. I've always found the enforcers around any club to suffer from something of an inferiority complex. They tend to be the ones that say, "I'm not good/smart enough to excel at this". It's as if they stand on the fringes, wishing they were the high priests, and keeping out anybody who they don't think to be equally devoted.
Since enforcer groups seem to form around such mundane subjects, I'm not surprised that the experiment was able to get them to form over a pseudo-serious topic.
This is all interesting and true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
One common aspect in such phenomena is that the "believers" of this kind are believers based on blind faith.
It means that they don't reason, they are able to "believe" contradictory concepts, all at the same time.
Also they are fanatics and get angry if their beliefs are challenged (don't know how to defend them because they don't reason).
Their minds are narrowed, everything outside their narrow views are seen as a threat.
BTW, don't you see a parallelism with the pandemic and the pushing of vaccinations?
Who are the priests?
Who are the enforcers?
Who are the believers?
I don't understand why you go beating around the bush on bear hypno since there is that perfectly good book.
Use the techniques, spay honey (spray not spread) , sing the hymn and report back. Bears smell vaxbies anyhow so they will come for you eventually so hypnotism is an excellent defense.
As for the other less serious stuff, I think that even if someone is right and tell to other people, they usually tend to go "over protective" so even if something is correct they won't accept it.
I have seen this happen a lot of times, I probably have done so in the past as a youngster. I could willingly accept that I was wrong on the whole covid thing , except I wasn't...And no this is not wine it's grape juice!
I received a few posts of condolences on this and thanks...I just got an update from a mutual friend that saw him tonight. It is sad on many levels. Here are two:Quote:
That friend of my I mentioned in a few posts back is still sick. I think it has been more than a month ago. He rarely answers the phone (his son does). As an update:
He wasn't vaccinated and got the virus.
After a few days he went to the hospital.
After a few days he got bored and checked himself out.
Went home and would not return phone calls.
We got an update yesterday. He is still VERY sick in bed and he has lost 46 pounds. I'm thinking at this point he has become a long hauler. He is over sixty-five with diabetes. I'm not going to go back through the links but I think it is well over a month since he got sick.
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He had to go back to the hospital and is back out. Since he had checked himself out before, and the hospital is at maximum capacity, they stabilized his insulin level (he is diabetic), and sent him home. That all makes me very sad because he is so sick but can't get treatment. He is emaciated at this point and his family is reaching out to us friends on the outside because he won't listen to them about staying in he hospital. But as I mentioned he burnt that bridge
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He put himself there and is is taxing us all. The hell with you. He railed against vaccinations and still does. The hospital turned him away because they are packed with people just like him. It is tough to be mad at a friend that deserves what he is getting and you wouldn't wish that on an enemy
I think he is a long hauler now...
I was actually thinking of model railroads when I wrote that. It's as benign a subject as you can possibly find, and also one that I know almost nothing about. I'd be one of those casual participants on that, since I had a model railroad when I was young, but not for decades. Still, I happened to see an ad for some kind of course or seminar on model railroads (it probably showed as an ad for one of those bear tagging videos). The priests were clear, as they were the experts teaching the course(s). The believers were also clear, as they were the ones wanting to learn. The enforcers? Well, certainly not mentioned, but they always form in any group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
I'm not sure about the true believers having blind faith. It depends on the subject. If you get to something tangible, like model railroad dioramas, I would say that they don't have blind faith. They might be fanatic, they may or may not have skills, but they aren't taking much on blind faith. On the other hand, for really complicated subjects like religion and politics, then yeah, there'd be plenty of blind faith. Probably also true with quantum physics. Any subject where you can be fanatic without full comprehension would be a candidate.
When it comes to vaccines, there isn't one set, there are two. There's vax and anti-vax. Both have their high priests, both have their true believers, and both have their enforcers. Niya also made it clear that it's quite different from country to country, while Dilettante and others has made it clear to me that it is quite different from state to state within the US.
Well I can't do it NOW. It's winter! The bears are all dozing. I'll have to wait till spring. Still, how do you spray honey? I got this fancy looking honey dispenser, and it only works if you eat a LOT of honey. If you are using it pretty constantly, then it will work, but if you consume honey at a more normal rate, it will just clog up and be turned into a fancy looking display of crystalized honey.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
You aren't diluting your honey with corn syrup are you? That would be just wrong.
Still, now that I think about it, that dispenser would probably work really well for syrup.
That's unfortunate. Is the insulin imbalance the cause of the weight loss?Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonLPrice
I agree, but I was talking about the kind of "believers" that you depicted (or at least I understood you were depicting).Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
The "true" believers that you now say, are rational.
It is live believing that the train tracks do not join.
You have to believe that, that they don't actually join far away, but you does that because you reason and you already have that information.
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But the other ones (blind faith) are capable of believing that the moon is of cheese (an exaggeration), or that the earth is flat, or whatever that goes against all evidence.
Even in the group that believes "true" things there are also some fanatics. They don't reason, they are mostly motivated by fear and they are insecure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
May be in this group there are also priests, believers and enforcers, but they play a different role since they have to do their job with the truth, not with lies (as the other group does).
This is how society and human organization works anyway, it is not bad per se.
Not everybody has the ability to be Einstein.
Yes, we are just in the first stage. The world is large to coordinate and manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Australia seems to be ahead in the route.
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Woman arrested at cafe during COVID vaccine checks.
Astonishing moment FIVE Aussie police arrest woman after she 'refused to show her vaccine passport' as she shrieks: 'Don't arrest me'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_os74m9uFIQuote:
middle aged woman has been dramatically arrested by five police at a popular cafe after refusing to show her vaccination certificate.
The video then shows the large squad of officers arresting the 46-year-old out the front of the store as she shrieked 'you can't arrest me'.
She was bundled into the back of the police car, taken to the watchhouse, charged and fined $1,300.
I think they do it for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
Cheaper, impossible.
OK, not really cheap. They had to invest a lot on mass media.
Aside from that...
If you were a multi-billionaire, what would you do?
What can a multi-billionaire do with the money?
Change the world, yes.
In which way?
It doesn't matter, in the way that is more fun.
And what is fun, when you already did everything that a man could wish for (restricted to things that the money can buy)?
And that is not considering that they are psychopaths.
Because you might think that they could have some good wishes, after all.
In fact, the root is spiritual. It is not a coincidence that the richest people in the world are bad persons (or most of them).
So you can get an idea about from where is coming all this.
It is easier (for me) to understand what is happening when you already know beforehand what are the forces behind.
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It is important to understand what a theory is.
Because sometimes it is used in a derogatory way, saying "it is just a theory".
I'll explain it with my own words (or you can go to Wikipedia: Theory and Scientific theory).
A theory is a way of understanding something, a way of explaining something that is observed.
We could say that it is like a model, something that you present and it works in the way that produces what we can see in reality.
It can make predictions. Because based in the way this "model" works, you can predict what is going to happen next.
For example, using the theory of gravitation of Newton, you can predict the position of the planets in some future.
Was the Newton's gravitational theory accurate?
Yes, very accurate.
But there were some strange things that seemed not to follow the theory.
There were some observations that didn't match with what the theory predicted.
The most famous being the precession of the perihelion of Mercury.
Then Einstein came with his General relativity theory that explained much better this observation.
Einstein theory also predicted that a light from a distant star would curve while passing near a massive star, that was tested and confirmed.
That gave also much credit to his theory.
Is then Einstein theory "the truth" about gravity? No. Theories are not "the truth", theories are ways to explain something, that work.
Well, they "mostly" work. I mean, there are some things where they don't work, like Newton's theory didn't explain the precession of the perihelion of Mercury observation, Einstein theory also have its own problems.
But it more accurately explain most of the observations, and very accurately for most cases.
So it is useful. It is not "the truth", and in a future a new theory ould come to explain gravitation even better. But it won't the "the truth" either.
That what theories are, a way to explain the reality that we observe, that just "work".
Sometimes there are competing theories, so you need to perform experiments, to make observations, to see what theory works better.
And when will be humanity able to know the ultimate truth about how the Universe works?
IMO never. That's beyond human capacity. At least not in this world.
All we have are theories that are confined to a particular field.
Why we make theories? Because we don't know the truth about many things, how they actually work. We need to discover how things work and what is happening by making a model that can explain all the observations that we see and are (before the theory) disconnected, they are like pieces in a puzzle that we don't know how to put together.
That's what a theory does, propose a way to put together the pieces of a puzzle. By making this, there will be perhaps things that we are not able to prove because they are beyond our human capacity.
And that's a problem in science, because when you are not able to prove something, that's called metaphysics (meta: Gr. beyond; metaphysics: beyond physics).
Metaphysics is not allowed in science by principle.
Still, there are many metaphysics like the String Theory, Multiverse theories, etc. Evolution Theory also because nobody can go to the past to watch and experiment if something like that really happened or not.
So, when they call something a "conspiracy theory". It is in fact accurate, because it is a way to explain some things we observe, and it include a conspiracy.
But mass media use that label of "conspiracy theory" in a derogatory way to discredit an idea.
Yes, there are many of crazy conspiracy theories out there, And?
That means that there are no true conspiracies?
For example, there are many religions and some of them (or most... or all) preach crazy stuff. And that means that God doesn't exist?
So, yes, about this thing of mass media narrative and all this pandemic, we have a conspiracy theory. What's the problem?
And if these ideas are just for nutcases, why Google/Youtube/Facebook/Tweeter/TV are filtering all this ideas. It seems like they are afraid of something.
You can say: "I understand, but I don't like being labeled as a nutcase because I believe in a conspiracy theory".
Yes, right, I understand. I myself prefer the truth.
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I don't know. The nature of our friendship is a bunch of us get together on Saturday and play pool in a buddies basement. We have been doing it for over fifteen years. I don't know him very well outside of that other than he is a gun collector/seller and I went to his stand once. So I get everything second hand. Maybe it is a combination of weeks in bed and no appetite. They did have to stabilize him so that may well have been a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
this is interesting
explains why vaccination is bad in the long run
and what we should have done instead.
so watch this interview with Dr Geert Vanden Bossche
https://rumble.com/vrkwiv-dr-geert-v...anization.html
You do realise that Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is actually pro vaccination right? and also works on developing vaccines?Quote:
this is interesting
explains why vaccination is bad in the long run
and what we should have done instead.
so watch this interview with Dr Geert Vanden Bossche
He says that he believes that mass-vaccination during a pandemic should stop, and we should wait and than mass vaccinate afterwards with a different type of vaccine, which he just happens to be developing
This of course is not in anyway a conflict of interest
His entire manifesto has also already been widely discredited.
Still, with Omicron spikes rapidly receding it does look like Covid is finally becoming weak enough to be endemic. That's fantastic news.
And that don't have a dime.Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
And that are being fired from their works for telling these things.
For example in that theory there are many pieces that don't fit in the puzzle.
You. Every time you click.Quote:
who the hell is paying all this people?
From your link:-
Karen Kingston Fact Checked
Dr. Shankara Chetty Fact Checked
Dr. Peter McCullough Fact checked
Those are the first three contributors. After that I couldn't be bothered to keep going because it's a waste of time.
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How about mine? Some how my wife and kid came down with it ... probably from school... where the Governor has hanstrung the district's ability to enforce rules that would have slowed the spread, as a result the schools are overrun with Covid, higher than any other area in the state at the moment. We have students, teachers, administrator out sick with it. And everyone is suffering for it. Anyways, we all got tested for it, kid and wife tested positive, some how I cam out negative. For about 4 days wife and kid were feeling pretty crummy, sore throat, sneezing, runny nose, slight fever. Wife lost sense of taste. She's only just now starting to get it back, almost 2 weeks later. We're lucky things were so mild. And it's because we're vaxx'd. So there it is ... your first-hand account. IT could have been far worse. So don't tell me the vaccines don't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
-tg
My symptoms were far milder than your family's and I was unvaccinated. Vaccines weren't even a thing here at the time. I'm not saying vaccines are a bad thing or they may not work. But I do believe some people are overselling how important vaccines are.Quote:
Originally Posted by techgnome
Really? I'm part of the conspiracy now?Quote:
Im sure you get your cut.
Yes, they have. It's public knowledge and has been reported in the mainstream media. This is why science rests on peer review. What's your point?Quote:
Pfizer have been convicted a number of times in the United States for falsification of data, corruption and paying kickbacks.
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Well, there you go, there's your proof. Obviously the vaccine doesn't help. lolQuote:
I got also sick, unvaccinated, and it was mild. my colleague also got sick, mild as well.
But I'm still confused about why the media you choose to believe is the truth and all other media is part of a conspiracy, plus peer reviewed studies and Fact Checkers. Is there a secret handshake. But I have to admit, that is convenient for you.
Don't try to equate our positions. I've said you are misinformed. You said I'm profiting as part of a conspiracy. You literally asserted that they are paying me. Those are substantially different positions.Quote:
yes. I believe so FunkyDexter, you are part of it. (how do you feel when I say that? its absurd right? whats his problem you will think?)
in the same way that you think that, what I believe in fake, I also think (whats his problem? how can he not see it)
I'll just put this here again:-Quote:
you can not say that "vaccination=mild symptom".
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First: there are not peer-review on this. At best, the "peers" are a couple of other payed pseudo-scientific.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
And I say "pseudo" because even when they have all the titles, don't actually practice science, they only mangle statistics as ordered by their bosses.
Second: all these fact checks sites appeared just a few years ago, and are fueled by the same funds that want to control the information to population.
Once again baka, ordinary people are not being payed. They have been social engineered.
Please watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDpZ8daIVM
Neither, it's simply death rates. Here's the source. Why do you think that's relevant though? What is your explanation for more unvaccinated people dying than vaccinated if you disregard their vaccination status as causative?Quote:
"death by covid vs death with covid"
And again, do you you think I am a paid part of a conspiracy? Do you think I have been profiteering by the deaths of others? Because that's what you said.
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Also, reporters, journalists, the epidemiologists they use, it is not they were hired like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eduardo-
- Hello, I want to hire you for lying to the people...
- OK, how much will you pay?
No. That's not how it works.
The heads of the investments groups that have more shares of the companies, aka the main owners that control the companies, just talk to their CEOs with the guidelines, with what they ask from them, with what they have to do.
They don't tell why, just to do it.
There are very few people that are actually conspiring, all the others are just employees.
The CEOs, in the same way, tell everyone below them what the guidelines are, in other words: what to do.
Reporters, journalists, etc, just follow orders.
If they don't, it is easy: they will be fired.
It is quite simple in fact.
People are not payed directly, or with full knowledge.
Also, from CEOs to the last journalist or doctor in the chain, all have been social engineered too, by the same system (that is fed back).
Normal people just buy the story. They have been frightened, and now these vaccines seem to be a solution.
Not hard to understand either.
PS: nobody investigates a (and a fact), everybody keeps repeting what others are saying.
There are some news powerhouses like Reuters that set "the news".
There are also like 20 "scientists", that are the "scientific community", that are hired to say and signs whatever they are asked to do.
That's why they are there in their positions, having high salaries, because they are "malleable", otherwise they weren't there.
And that's it.The wheel keep spinning.
Facts? Who care about facts?
Well, some do (some scientist, some reporters). They are all "debunked", and filtered (censored) by mass media.
These are the one that we are trying to learn from.
At least you should admit that this "conspiracy theory" explains what we see in reality very accurately, even to small details.
All pieces seem to fit well in the puzzle.
You accused me of profiteering from the death of others. Dismissing your arguments (or rather, debunking your sources) is not remotely the same and you really need to walk that back.Quote:
this was to make you feel what I feel Funky.
The only facts that most people care about is to be able to pay the mortgage, their children's university fee, and so on...
These other facts (for them) are for philosophers, or for people like us that spend a lot of time researching things like these.
But no, "time is money" they say.
Anyway, who can change anything? (they say as self justification).