Name: pretty zelda'ish but not bad ;)
App itself... well.. Does anyone ever tried to write down what they are trying to make (hint 2 j2k) :)
I'll be happy to join in and help but there are still so many questions which are still unanswered.....
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Name: pretty zelda'ish but not bad ;)
App itself... well.. Does anyone ever tried to write down what they are trying to make (hint 2 j2k) :)
I'll be happy to join in and help but there are still so many questions which are still unanswered.....
At the beginning, we had our work divided (at our first meeting), so those of you complaining about nothing to do, look at the transcript of the first meeting.
Secondly, no offense, of course, I really think either Filburt, Andreas or I should be the leader. j2k, you do not seem to be dedicated to this project. At the meetings, you did not participate. Instead, you were watching soccer. When we had our second meeting, again, you couldn't attend.:mad:
So far, I think the only people who have actually done something, be it coding or making graphics, is Andreas, Filburt, and Me.
...By the way...the source code is COMPLETELY copyrighted by eiSecure.com right now, since I am the author, and also, since I have not signed any release forms.
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Anybody know Java?
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...By the way...the source code is COMPLETELY copyrighted by eiSecure.com right now, since I am the author, and also, since I have not signed any release forms.
THE PROBLEM OF THAT IS THAN YOU DONT GIVE US THE DAMN PROJECT BECAUSE YOU JUST ZIP IT WITH YOU DAMN EISECURE DAMN PROGRAM WHO I DONT WANT TO DOWNLOAD. SECOND, I ASKED 100 TIMES TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU NEVER JUST DONT GIVE ME A PIECE OF WORK TO SHHUT UUUP WITH YOU COPYRIGHT.Quote:
so those of you complaining about nothing to do
I am pissed of person who think they are the king of the hill when they know they shoot person before they achive to the top. A team is supposed to help all to climp the hill....but for the moment Sir Eisecure protect is little hill by bitcching us. NO way. Sorry Sir Eisecure but one thing YOU HAVE TO LEARN is programming job is a TEAM job and sorry but YOU DONT HAVE A PIECE of tha quality. A GOOD LEADER is not a person who are the most active BUT a person who can giev reponsanility and not to chit on the head of other LIKE YOU JUST DID with YOUR FUUUUUUUUCHING copyright.
Third, MR.Sir.Eisecure I just can imagine what your wrote because I repected you and now I just figure out how you are immature and THINK to yourself.
I hope you will have FUN WITH YOUR program because I DONT THINK I AM THE only one who think than you take that project a LITTLE to much personally. HELLO....IS A TEAM PROJECT.
Daok
oh yeeah about that :
"...so those of you complaining about nothing to do..."
I want to do something but you still dont want to give us the project to I have to repeat and repeat, BUT you still not understanding....so I dont think I have a problem on that but maybe is you.
ohhhh I just think to something I forget to said.
I think than you think than I am a nobody who is a newby to VisualBasic...I have to said than I am not the best programmer ( that for sure). But an other thing who just tell me why you shouldnt be the leader is than when you are the leader you have to thing to all little detail. Exemple : Daok is not the best so I will give him that , that and that .Most of easy stuff to do is at beginning and more and more we go foward more I cant do nothing because I dont uderstand a lots in Server thing. But you never thought to taht because since you been work on that project your just think to your little person.
HUmmm ok I was a little bite sad and angry about what you said. I want to apologize of what I said but please I think we should have an other meeting since other person joined since the last one.
Daok
It's so funny to see somebody vent in their second language. :D :D
:p
Daok, who is the one who wrote the ENTIRE IM already? Who's the one who made all the icons for it? Who's the one that took dozens of hours to debug the program? Me.Quote:
Originally posted by DaoK
THE PROBLEM OF THAT IS THAN YOU DONT GIVE US THE DAMN PROJECT BECAUSE YOU JUST ZIP IT WITH YOU DAMN EISECURE DAMN PROGRAM WHO I DONT WANT TO DOWNLOAD. SECOND, I ASKED 100 TIMES TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU NEVER JUST DONT GIVE ME A PIECE OF WORK TO SHHUT UUUP WITH YOU COPYRIGHT.
I am pissed of person who think they are the king of the hill when they know they shoot person before they achive to the top. A team is supposed to help all to climp the hill....but for the moment Sir Eisecure protect is little hill by bitcching us. NO way. Sorry Sir Eisecure but one thing YOU HAVE TO LEARN is programming job is a TEAM job and sorry but YOU DONT HAVE A PIECE of tha quality. A GOOD LEADER is not a person who are the most active BUT a person who can giev reponsanility and not to chit on the head of other LIKE YOU JUST DID with YOUR FUUUUUUUUCHING copyright.
Third, MR.Sir.Eisecure I just can imagine what your wrote because I repected you and now I just figure out how you are immature and THINK to yourself.
I hope you will have FUN WITH YOUR program because I DONT THINK I AM THE only one who think than you take that project a LITTLE to much personally. HELLO....IS A TEAM PROJECT.
Daok
And what have you done? Nothing. If you had read the transcript, you would've figured out what we needed. Plus, even before, we told you to write server-side scripts for the IM, like what Andreas is currently doing.
...and the reason that I want someone else in charge around here is because j2k has done absolutely NOTHING for this project. The only thing he did was to take a transcript of the first meeting, even though he was busy watching TV.
Please, consider all aspects before you say something like that, DaoK. :rolleyes: :mad: :(
Dude I dont want to fight BUT GIV ME SOMETHING TO HELP YOu!!! and I will I really dont know what to do if you dont tell me what to do. I can make icon I can make something but I need some one to tell me. I am about 3-4 hours online to help each time I come here I dont see nothing about : "Anyone want to help me?" NEver. I asked more than once to have stuff to do but you never give me something so please DONT complain about You did all.Quote:
Daok, who is the one who wrote the ENTIRE IM already? Who's the one who made all the icons for it? Who's the one that took dozens of hours to debug the program? Me.
Okay, help Andreas with the server scripts. Basically, we need a login one and a new user one.
I feel some sarcasme ( i speelled wrong i know ) Go read all my previous post ... I cant setup a server lol but I can program some VB(ya ya), some Flash and some HTML.Quote:
Okay, help Andreas with the server scripts. Basically, we need a login one and a new user one.
Actually, I was being serious.
The server scripts are a big part of this project.
By the way, my faster, better forums server: http://eisecure.netfirms.com
The server is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the project. Without it, the IM client is useless.
Great!Quote:
Originally posted by DaoK
... I cant setup a server lol but I can program some VB(ya ya), some Flash and some HTML.
DaoK, what I NEED for the Server scripts IS someone who can help me with the web frontend and this is done in HTML.
BTW: The server side scripts ARE NOT the Server for the IM
and if you look on the page I set up you will see things like a login or a page where you can register as a user. All these sites are (of course) written in HTML which is partly embedded in Perl scripts.
So if you want to help just tell me and I'm sure we'll make a real cool site out of the ...well... not so good looking... site I use to test the server side scripts.
The server side scripts manage the authentification of the members and will be used by the IM.
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Originally posted by eiSecure
At the beginning, we had our work divided (at our first meeting), so those of you complaining about nothing to do, look at the transcript of the first meeting.
Secondly, no offense, of course, I really think either Filburt, Andreas or I should be the leader. j2k, you do not seem to be dedicated to this project. At the meetings, you did not participate. Instead, you were watching soccer. When we had our second meeting, again, you couldn't attend.:mad:
So far, I think the only people who have actually done something, be it coding or making graphics, is Andreas, Filburt, and Me.
...By the way...the source code is COMPLETELY copyrighted by eiSecure.com right now, since I am the author, and also, since I have not signed any release forms.
Who the hell do you think you are? Yes, I was watching football during the first meeting, it was the England vs Germany match for God's sake! Nearly all Britons were watching it! And if I can't make the 2nd meeting, I think I have an excuse; I'm not prepared to start a meeting when it's 11pm at night!
I have a life outside of VB you know. This is a fun project.
I'm sorry eiSecure, but attitudes like yours are not welcome in the group.
And one more thing, stop zipping your source code up with god damn Secure-It. I've not got it installed, nor am I prepared to do so.
Apologies if I sound harsh.
Oops.
:)
Hehe. Well like I said, I apologise if it sounded harsh. It helped me vent out my anger (not just to do with the project), all in one go! That's my rant over for the next two years :)
Can I quote you on that? :D
Erm............................................
Oh go on then :D
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by j2k
That's my rant over for the next two years :)
ooooooookkkkkkkkk
Everything ripped apart in a new york minute? -
gee...
nice =P
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First of all, i dunno who's leader here (i still think it's j2k so) - I just want to see a few answered cleared up eh?
first of all;
is this is a fun project OR is there a bit of seriousness in the project (as in, yes there is a posibility that the app can really be marketed all over the world)
2nd
Bitching over and over again... Make a design doc!, and if this is a serious development group, make sure that you make some kind of document that people have to agree with (as in, not distribution sources, what kind of communicational things are used (Icq, Irc, etc)). And keep TIGHT scheduled meetings. (With meeting agenda's!)
3th
In a way I don't agree with EiSecure, and in a way I do, since he has done a lot for this project he does 'own' his piece, but on the other hand, (directed towards eiSecure himself) You ain't gonna get for with that attitude.. really.. you ain't...
4th (pfew.. long text ;) )
If someone is able to put up an small document of what kind of application it should be, what tasks there are and if possible even a list of all the people involved with their 'specialism' you can put up a way better taskforce to handle these kind of projects.
and uhh, if no'one has an idea how to create such a thing, i'll be happy to help along..
my 2 cents,
What you said is what the professionals do. We can't just write code.
"What you said is what the professionals do. We can't just write code." < -does that mean you get what I say and hopefully to make this project succesful or.... ?
Success is good. :cool:
That sounds more like it :D
Boo-yeah. :D
And STOP replying soo fast! I'm typing 4 lines of code and it goes 'PloInk' New Mail .. again :)
:D
New mail has arrived. Would you like to read it now?
:p
I finally uploaded the prototype of the login info verification CGI.
This CGI checks user name and password.
use it this way "http://www.alsoft.f2s.com/ocarina/network/checkpsw.cgi?lname=TheLoginName&pword=Password"
it will return one of the following output texts:
NONAME - the name var was not set
NOSUCHUSER - You entered a name that doesn't exist
WRONGPASSWORD - the password is wrong
ACCEPT - User name and password accepted
Luv yur hamburger btw =)
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oh yah... one more thing
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!! =D
That's not exactly encrypted. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Andreas@ALSoft
I finally uploaded the prototype of the login info verification CGI.
This CGI checks user name and password.
use it this way "http://www.alsoft.f2s.com/ocarina/network/checkpsw.cgi?lname=TheLoginName&pword=Password"
it will return one of the following output texts:
NONAME - the name var was not set
NOSUCHUSER - You entered a name that doesn't exist
WRONGPASSWORD - the password is wrong
ACCEPT - User name and password accepted
People, about the server, it is NOT a CGI/Perl/Javascript! It is a program that we write (probably in Java to multithread) that accepts connections, parses sent data, and chucks back a response.
*mumble* write *mumble* a doc ;)
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But I agree fully with Filburt, You don't write a cgi/php thingy to handle over 1000 connections (uhh.. if it does get that many users) =)
As I said the verification script IS ONLY A PROTOTYPE so far
Okay,
If I may give a suggestion:
Make a prototype in VB or C++ (also good ;)) or JAVA (yeah yeah MultiThread all tha way!) =) -
Make a encryption algorithm.. Your own.. or maybe a simple base64 or DS3 or whatever(tm) encryption.
And preferably make modules if you make it in VB. (Or Class DLL's)
This Perl/CGI Script DOES NOT handle the users, it just does the password verification
The server side scripts ARE NOT the server, they ONLY CONNECT the Server and the Web Frontend
That is not what we are implying on, the password authentication will be triggered 50+ per minute (on a busy day). So it's JAVa or C++ all tha way. Not HTTP based.
and it still has to be encrypted :D
Users will be kept track of using the server, and they will connect to the server. No Apache required.Quote:
Originally posted by Andreas@ALSoft
This Perl/CGI Script DOES NOT handle the users, it just does the password verification
The server side script can handle an unlimited count of passwort verifications a minute the only limit is the server's speed and the amount of space you can use to store the (READ PROTECTED) user identification files
"The server side scripts ARE NOT the server, they ONLY CONNECT the Server and the Web Frontend"
In my eyes it should go like this:
Client accesses web via its web frontend. It downloads a nice applet (ofcourse, rite?) or we use PHP which would also suit pretty well, Server only gives out an IP and port,
PHP opens a socket and retrieves whatever it needs, Though JAVA could do the same so... i leave those options open for you guys to discuss ;)
But I strongly advice NOT to use any http password verification or anything in that direction.. CGI or PHP Redirected password checks (like bla.php?password=bla&username=etc)
in PHP you can encrypt any password with md5(x) so a very nice 128 bit encryption is layed over the password (which is btw.. not reversable,so the password in the database must be MD5'd) - (also means if a user wants to change his or her password she must create a new one. (cannot change))
my few cents.. (i'm getting broke this way) :)
Absolutely NO CGI for the server! Not only is there too much overhead, but it is considered a cheap hack. :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
Users will be kept track of using the server, and they will connect to the server. No Apache required.
The thing is quite simple, a password stored on the webserver (IT IS PROTECTED, YOU CAN'T READ IT) can easily be verified by the server app, but just try to make a server side script access another computer connected to the 'net... (try it, I wish you lot's of fun)
CGI is a dynamic module (also known to be slow as hell if multiple users connect). so IF it is ever needed use alteast ISAPI modules (yah yah. i know.. ;) )
AGAIN: The Server Side Scripts ARE NOT the Server
To confirm: Yes I am the leader still, and yes it's fun, however it is serious too. I do want the project to be finished, and attempt to be marketed.
A design doc would be good - but don't look at me!
no offence, but a project leader should manage and create such a doc and also keep a note of what people are doing :P
btw..
Does ANYone on the team have IRC? it is sooo much easier to communicate.. (or even ICQchat :P)
First: The Script I just uploaded IS ONLY used once per login and session ant Second: It will output the IP of the real server in a second line so the Client prog always connects to the right server (e.g. if we change the server's IP)
None taken :) I'd like to create the doc but I don't know what is required in the doc, how to format the doc etc :)Quote:
Originally posted by Devion
no offence, but a project leader should manage and create such a doc and also keep a note of what people are doing :P
Ok, heres a small example what such a doc should look like...
very simple, and no real 'looks' been added.
Here's what I did some time ago:
A little prog that allows you to chat and transfer files after entering the IP of the one who starts the prog as server
Forgot to add stuff to the doc.. oops:
forgot
- Add technical data; Explain what things do and how they co-op within.
For instance for a program I wrote I just took a pen and paper and wrote down how my Auth protocol worked,
C/P below.. :)
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AUTH PROTOCOL
15-09-2001 - Rob Janssen
CL = Client || SV = Server
This document shows how the authentication steps are followed in the communication protocol.
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CL] Connect to the server
SV] Accept ALL Connections to port 10023 - SendDATA ["Milestone Server Vx.x - Type '1' for telnet connection"].
CL] Respond to server - SendDATA ["MILESTONE_CLIENT"] (Telnet is streaming so can only type 1 char.)
SV] Close TELNET Sessions. Accept and setup client on server for MILEStone user.
SV] SendDATA ["AUTH"]
CL] Send user & password in format ( USER@PASSWORD )
SV] Fetch, Check user and password
SV] If Password and username are correct, SendDATA ["OK"] else SendDATA ["NO"] or SendDATA ["ERR@errormsg"]
CL] If Authentication is Correct then application will go on, if not then return to Login screen - if error show the error and quit.
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For almost EVERY thing that is important you are almost required to make something like this, either in wordpad, notepad or word or even in Visio or any other flowchart app.
Age call! How old is everybody? I'm 17.
20....
so there goes your excuse fil ;)
*mumbles a number under his breath*