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I don't drink at all, nor did I really think you posted that drunk, but it sure was a confusing mash-up of thoughts and words, and I'm not above making a drug reference whether it is warranted or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
Interesting link, though. I guess I'm kind of surprised at how high the US ranks on that list.
But if you read the link the "5" is misleading. The US is actually 35th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
From the link:
The rate of alcoholism varies significantly among nations. While it might stand to reason that rates of alcoholism would correlate closely to overall alcohol consumption per country or possibly with drinking age by country, these correlations are not always present. For example, although consumption varies by state, Americans on average consume 9.9 liters of pure alcohol per capita annually (WHO, 2020), the equivalent of imbibing 33.0 handles (1,716.8 fluid ounces/50.75 liters) of vodka per person per year. This means that the U.S., despite being 5th on the list of countries with the highest rates of alcoholism, was only 35th on the list of countries with the highest alcohol consumption per capita in 2019 (CIA). The most recent data regarding alcoholism rates in each country was compiled by the World Health Organization, which recorded the percentage of males and females 15 years and above with alcohol use disorders in
I'm not sure whether that counts as misleading or not. It certainly does change the interpretation, as we aren't the fifth most drunken country, but I'm still surprised at that 5th for alcoholism. I suppose that, taken together, it could mean we are high on the list of hypochondria, diagnosis of alcoholism, or treatment for alcoholism.
Those stats are interesting.
The US isn't in the top 10 for men but is number 1 for women. Now we know who the trouble makers are. lol
I think there's a good chance this is affecting the numbers.Quote:
it could mean we are high on the list of hypochondria, diagnosis of alcoholism, or treatment for alcoholism.
I was surprised the South Korea was so high on the list. Not that I know much about South Korea, just not the perception I had.
Buh you clearly insulted me as usual so I will not talk to you for one post. Unless the post is something magnificent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
A question here. We see a lot of data on US been a "fat" country. And that is nothing to be laughed about. Is that correct?
By my visit...I don't remember :D
My latest example was at the airport here, we had an office eating Friday and we ordered from the nearby airport (hopefully we will get the heck out of this distant area soon) fast fooderianrty.
I can't recall what it was, possible burger king as we only got one in Athens and it's an "American" shop, meaning high portions double refreshment for an xtra buck and so on.
Point is the meal was so much I could not finish half of it. It's like pushing you to buy "garbage" at a cheap price to get fat and addicted. Now once every 2 weeks or so, I don't mind to be a garbageer but as I'm thin due to my metabolism, I don't really crave food that much but others may get caught in that eating garbage marathon. I have a few example in my circle.
....And now we all know what comes next:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_obesity_rate
You are 13 there but is that accurate, give or take by your whereabouts? Greece been 38, hmm, maybe maybe not , probably down the list since we got that depression and people limit the extra food for other needs such electricity and water. Also I don't really trust WHO, that bunch of idiot fakevid arsmolkks.
Unfortunately, so many countries are catching, or passing, us in that regard that I'm not sure we count, anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I don't think the reason is to make people get fat, exactly. I think the reason is to make money. Still, you're essentially right. It has often been pointed out in the US, that cheap food is fattening, and rightly could be called "garbage". Good food is available, but often not in poor areas, and it costs more. Eating isn't expensive, but eating well can be.Quote:
Point is the meal was so much I could not finish half of it. It's like pushing you to buy "garbage" at a cheap price to get fat and addicted.
I never know about those lists, but that one is probably about right. We shouldn't be #1 on that list, because we have lots of rich, fatty, foods, but we also have a whole lot of exercise culture, which should push us down the list a bit. So...#15 seems reasonable, especially with other countries passing us, as they do.
On the other hand, Trump lies about his weight, too, so perhaps we'll suddenly get thinner by following his example.
Drugs like Ozempic will change a lot of that but can be expensive...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...ange-the-world
I'll have to chew on that before I agree.
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Context: In the wake of Donald Trump's victory a lot of very prominent leftists promoted BlueSky as a Twitter alternative, as in their view Twitter has become a right wing hellhole since Elon Musks's takeover. BlueSky is basically the left's version of Truth Social, a haven for the the far left.
Took me less than 10 seconds to debunk
Nobody on the left (or the right for that matter) is accepting of paedophiles. Except for actual paedophiles that is.
Your next play: cite Reddit's Left Wing Bias.
Takei is pedophile??!
No, and I linked to a debunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
But he is gay and to a certain subset of Alt Right people these are morally the same. They're not the same, but that doesn't stop some people.
He further has some background as he was sexually abused as a child himself. Which really only highlights just how sick that post was. (The linked post, not Niya's. Niya's was merely naively credulous)
Edit> Sorry, I accidentally edited Sappy's post instead of creating my own so this might have looked odd for a bit. My mistake and I've now restored it as was.
I dunnno...I smell a cover up....Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Yea sure. Thing is, I've seen this kind of disturbing thing on the left too often to the point I don't even care anymore if some are false flags. I see something like that, I'm running with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I see it on the right, too. I still don't run with it.
It's like scissors: It cuts both ways, and don't run with it.
I remember in a post in a galaxy far far away I've said I'm pro freedom of speech in everything , except pedophiles, that should be hanged of course.
And possibly animal lovers but that is a WOKE thing so I'm not sure, I might be insulting some psycho.
So would you also share and run with it if it was falsely claiming someone from the right was a paedophile?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
Let's not go to this.
Also stop trying again and again to label people "sideways", it ain't working.
I mean, Niya was trying to label the left as paedophiles but, again, you didn't feel like that was worth calling out.Quote:
Also stop trying again and again to label people "sideways", it ain't working.
Or to put it another way, you don't want reality to get in the way of your fantasy.Quote:
Yea sure. Thing is, I've seen this kind of disturbing thing on the left too often to the point I don't even care anymore if some are false flags. I see something like that, I'm running with it.
No. Just the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
How come it is only an issue when someone is accused of being on the "right", you never seem to have an issue if someone, including yourself, accuses someone of being "left"?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I said no such thing. I just shared something I found on social media that was shared by someone else. It's really up to you how you want to interpret it. You called it out as a false flag and I say fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
So who were you trying to imply were paedophiles? See if you can narrow it down for me in a way that doesn't look like you trying to demonise some group or another and which answers why you felt this thread was an appropriate place to post it.
It has nothing to do with left and right. Can we stop this, please?
Oh the far right is just as bad but I won't waste my time because everyone already knows the far right is evil and it's mostly still in the fringes where it belongs. However, the far left is just as evil but it they are better at dressing up it as virtue in my opinion. This is why I have an issue with the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp
BTW when I say far right, I don't mean Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan etc. They are centrists as far as I'm concerned. I mean David Duke, Andrew Anglin etc. They guys are absolutely disgusting and I despise them just as much as any leftist.
You've set yourself up for a quip, but I'll pass on it.
I don't have a problem with that. I've always felt that the far left and the far right have nearly met. It's more of a horseshoe than a straight line, with the tips being closer to each other than to the middle. I don't agree with where you think the center is, but that's fine.
The term "minor attracted person" is a thing that came out of the left and there is a small element within the wider progressive movement that seeks to normalize it by taking advantage of the left's desire to present themselves as virtuous. This isn't to say that all of the left are pedophiles. It's to say that the left is ripe for infiltration by them which is already under way.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
They cannot infiltrate the right or the center with these ideas as they will get rejected right away. However, the moral relativism of the left makes the left a welcoming home for a lot of, shall we say, distasteful ideas.
I don't think it came out of the left. The first I heard about it was in Florida, though I don't know where the group they were talking about was located. It sounded like Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niya
The right is far more easily ripe for infiltration in that regard, especially the religious right. They have a tendency towards top down authoritarianism and protecting the 'leaders'. Sex scandals, especially child sex scandals, in right wing institutions are so common as to be nearly expected. It's hard to find such an institution that doesn't have a few. If you get to more fundamentalist groups, it's sometimes part of doctrine, such as the Mormon fundamentalists found in parts of the west (both US and Canada).
None of which answered the question of who you were trying to demonise as paedophiles but hey ho.
Nope, it came from online paedophile groups who were trying to legitimise themselves and the Left has pushed back on it just as hard as you or anyone else. In particular the LGBTQ community pushed back when they tried to add it to their acronym. It has been adopted by some elements of academia in an attempt to acknowledge that treatment rather than punishment may be a better course to preventing it but never in an attempt to approve of the behaviour. The vast majority of the left and the LGBTQ community disagrees with even that acknowledgement though.Quote:
The term "minor attracted person" is a thing that came out of the left
Of course, if you hadn't got yourself into a position where you believe that anything that disagrees with your prejudices should be ignored you could have looked this up.
How can you claim this had nothing to do with left or right when the original post had the following contentQuote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I have added the emphasis but left and right were mentioned multiple times.Quote:
Context: In the wake of Donald Trump's victory a lot of very prominent leftists promoted BlueSky as a Twitter alternative, as in their view Twitter has become a right wing hellhole since Elon Musks's takeover. BlueSky is basically the left's version of Truth Social, a haven for the the far left.
Yea, I don't buy this at all but I'm not going to get into all that. That's another deep rabbit hole that will lead to more endless arguments. Let's just agree to disagree on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
This is only thing I agree with you on concerning this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I'm not sure I buy this either. There are many reasons why but I don't think it would be fruitful to get into that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
I can live with that and I'm fine with getting things wrong here and there but I will NEVER accept the far left until they reject and expunge their extremist elements.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
Over a billion dollars to Africa... while hurricane victims have been left homeless, relying on volunteers for what little assistance they can get. Many victims politically discriminated against by the corrupt Biden-Harris regime.
Blanket pardons by Lying Joe for his criminal son. And what exactly was anonymously pardoned that occurred 11 years ago? Could it be... influence peddling?
How much more damage can this cretin and his masters do before they take the keys away? Begin WW III?
Biden and Starmer have a "special" relationship. Special as in "short bus." At least Biden has dementia to blame.
All I'll say about this is that outside of the scandals and the true far right David Duke Neo Nazi stuff, the your so called right, which I see as just normal, is the acceptable standard for me. The things that the current left call normal I find abhorrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
"Meltdown videos" are still quite popular.
Even in Canada:
https://youtu.be/mgR9l1c1pmQ?si=kWaGE9MD5c0zje4J
I enjoy these a great deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by dilettante
Here's something non-political to break the tension.
https://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2024/12/7.png
I'm sure a leftish will find something racist about it. :p
That's the position you end up at when your only goal is to prove your monster is real. It's not about finding the truth, it's about justifying your delusion.Quote:
Of course, if you hadn't got yourself into a position where you believe that anything that disagrees with your prejudices should be ignored you could have looked this up.
That's a very true observation, let's not forget about the Boy Scouts(though their not far right). Though, I don't think pedophilia has anything to do with right/left.Quote:
The right is far more easily ripe for infiltration in that regard, especially the religious right. They have a tendency towards top down authoritarianism and protecting the 'leaders'. Sex scandals, especially child sex scandals, in right wing institutions are so common as to be nearly expected. It's hard to find such an institution that doesn't have a few. If you get to more fundamentalist groups, it's sometimes part of doctrine, such as the Mormon fundamentalists found in parts of the west (both US and Canada).
I was thinking of the Boy Scouts, but also a large number of religious organizations. For some reason, whenever you get a patriarchal groups with a 'protect the leaders' ethos, you always seem to end up with sex abuse.
Maybe it's because sex abuse can't continue long term without that type of environment. So these are the groups the predators gravitate to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
France down.
Mega WOKEr Macron is probably going bye bye.
No, Macron is not the PM. The government fell, which means the PM had to resign, but Macron is the president, and will not be up for election for a while, yet. And at that time, he probably will lose. It's not just that he's unpopular, but the French change their president with every election.
It's Barnier (a conservative - centre right) who has been forced to step down via a vote of Non Confidence. Macron is being put under pressure to resign, though.
From what I can gather the pressure, both on Barnier and Macron, is mostly coming from the Far Right under LePenn. She is being investigated embezzling public funds and if she is found guilty she will be ineligible for public office 4 years. Her followers are hoping they can force Macron out and trigger a new Presidential contest (which she has a a not insignificant chance of winning) before that happens. From what I can gather she probably wouldn't win (she not first in the polls) but I said that about Trump so reach your own conclusions.
I don't think Macron can be forced to resign as no mechanism exists but public pressure could be enough.
^That's just stuff I could glean from some quick searches and what I've seen on the news so I can't speak to it's accuracy.
Tho to many coincident after Trump election.
France down, Germany down,ex Greek Prime minister in the party of prime minister resigns, Romania down, Biden frogging for ww3 (well the Biden puppeteers), Russia and China collaborate of war treaty, invasion on Syria by terrorists (where is NATO here? But I know they are not terrorist they are "liberators", that happen to hunt down orthodox) .
A month to go,non?
Before what? You seem to be thinking that these threads point to something. Unless it's total autocratic tyranny by a handful of robber barons, I'm not sure what you are seeing.
That is good as you don't seem to care and you take it easy. So I will not spoil or remind what will happen in a little more than a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
Have a great weekend and God bless America.
Syria's not a member of NATO so NATO can have no involvement. It's possible various members of NATO could intervene on an individual basis but not under the auspices NATO.Quote:
where is NATO here?
Further, NATO members aren't typically supportive of the Assad regime due to it's frequent human rights violations and the fact that it's basically a Russian puppet. On the whole they're not big fans of the rebels either who sprung out of Isis among other groups - they've tried to distance themselves since but there are a lot of suspicions that that's largely a fig leaf. So, given that they don't much like either side, why do you think they would get involved?
I can perhaps see Turkey getting involved as they're more directly affected on their Southern border although I don't know on which side. They sure don't like Assad but Kurdish rebels are one of the main constituents of the current rebel group and Turkey's got it's own problems with them.
Really? So Yugoslavia was a member of NATO? Afghanistan was a member of NATO?Kuwait was a member of NATO?Iraq was a member of NATO?Ukraine was a member of NATO? Cyprus was a member of NATO? Oh that's right, it was US that are NATO that did nothing when Turkey invaded but actually supported it on the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDexter
The luck of not understanding how NATO acts and calling it a peace organization separate us miles and miles away so whatever I say and whatever you say will not come to a mutual join (inner left or union :D ) .
So I just have to repeat and be on my way,
Have a great weekend and God bless America. And if Trump demolish NATO I will be extremely happy.
Just because a member of NATO is at war with a country doesn't mean NATO is. This is a pretty fundamental thing. Being a member of NATO does mean NATO is to blame for what you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
It wont spoil my day so go ahead. Tell us what is going to happen when Trump takes office. You keep saying "it's over", what's over????Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
I am starting to worry about what these people Trump is appointing are going to do. I especially don't like Mush being so deeply involved. Johnson is talking about wanting to cut 75% of government agencies. Not that I'm against cutting waste but this sounds more like a way to deregulate corporate America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2659519.html
Deregulation sound like a good thing but corporate America has shown over and over again that without oversight they exploit the people and planet. I still remember the financial crisis of 2008 and more recently the Boeing 737 Max disasters. But those just a couple that come to mind, there is a long history of exploitation.
Several of the other picks worry me just because they have no qualification for the job. The Rfk Jr. appointment and many others.
So far it's all just talk but I'm glad I live in Ca.
I'm grabbing that quote just to preserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
What's going to happen in a bit over a month? Well, it might be total pandemonium. If not, then it will at least be partial pandemonium. Those who expect to see a dumpster fire...well, they might get it. But those who believe they know what will happen are going to have to change their expectations after the fact to be whatever does happen, or else they'll be confused/disappointed.
All I can say is...buckle up :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
I'm just in standby mode. lol
For some reason I believe even if it turns into a dumpster fire the American people will clean it up and move in a better direction. Especially if it hits them in the wallet.
Part of any direction is who do we want in charge...people who want to govern or people who want to rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by wes4dbt
Not one of those conflicts was engaged under the auspice of NATO.Quote:
So Yugoslavia was a member of NATO? Afghanistan was a member of NATO?Kuwait was a member of NATO?Iraq was a member of NATO?Ukraine was a member of NATO? Cyprus was a member of NATO? Oh that's right, it was US that are NATO that did nothing when Turkey invaded but actually supported it on the background.
Yugoslavia - the UN
Afghanistan - US led coalition
Kuwait - the UN
Iraq - US led "Coalition of the willing"
Ukraine - nobody
Cypress - Only Britain got involved in the actual fighting but the UN monitored the subsequently agreed border
Turkey - not sure what you're referring to unless their invasion of Cypress, in which case see above
I think you could legitimately ask why the UN hasn't involved itself in Syria (beyond issuing condemnations of Assad) and I think you could similarly ask why they haven't done more in Ukraine but NATO isn't relevant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_b..._of_Yugoslavia
https://www.nato.int/cps/cy/natohq/topics_8189.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_invasion_of_Kuwait
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm
Cyprus is another matter
I forgot why we mentioned all these tho. Lol
Anyhow NATO is really US (oopss forgot to put a spoiler alert) so if Trump do what he says and do not do wars then we won't hear from NATO for a while.
Edit. The Ukraine - nobody . Boy that was funny.
Greece is sending thousand of trucks loaded with ammo to Ukraine under the NATO shield (shhh but don't tell anyone)
Well, you got to the heart of the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapator
"All of those 'conspiracy theories' are now out in the open and they all turned out to be true."
https://youtu.be/rZom5qexLso?si=t5RamfpIeItx4zMt
Hopefully the healing can begin and we get the abject apologies from the deranged that we deserve once they recover from their terrible condition.