'Speak English' signs allowed at Philly shop

'Speak English' signs allowed at Philly shop
Commission on Human Rights rules Geno's postings do not discriminate

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The sign itself is a bit discriminatory because it implies that people should only speak English because they are in America, ignoring the fact that there are millions of people in this country who are natural citizens who do not speak English or speak it as a 2nd or 3rd language.
A business proprietor however, does have the right to refuse service to anyone they do not wish to serve. I think this is why McD's, BK and other places have gone to numbered ordering systems. Perhaps he should try that.

I have to say no. People should be able to put up whatever sign they want.

Now, if a customer comes in and says "Ichiban Cheesesteak, o kudasai" and holds up one finger while pointing to a picture of the chessesteak and they actually refuse to serve him, then that's a whole other ballgame.

In fairness, I agree that he should be allowed to put up the sign. If he doesn't have anyone that speaks any other language, then one could argue that he's forewarning the customer (before they have to wait in line) that there will be no one able to understand them.

Of course, if I saw a sign like that, I would assume that the owner was a bit of a plonker* and would refuse to buy from that shop.... and I'm sure there's plenty of others who would feel the same way. So though on one hand it might garner him some support from the red-necks, on the other hand it will drive away other customers who laugh at his xenophobia.

*I'm referring to the aggressive tone of the sign. If it said something like "Sorry, we only understand English in this shop." or such like I would have no problem with it.

The sign is up only to make a point. The place has never refused service to anyone for not speaking English.

It is somewhat ironic that he has a sign that proudly declares it's America and then proceeds to piss on everything that America is supposed to stand for.

I think he can say what he wants, but I wouldn't shop there if I saw a sign like that. Most foreign countries have lots of English speakers, so they can accomodate foreign tourists. Heck, the average American can communicate with virtually everybody in Australia.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

I think he can say what he wants, but I wouldn't shop there if I saw a sign like that. Most foreign countries have lots of English speakers, so they can accomodate foreign tourists. Heck, the average American can communicate with virtually everybody in Australia.

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Trust me, I have been there, he isn't getting many visitors form other countries at his store.

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Trust me, I have been there, he isn't getting many visitors form other countries at his store.

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So doesn't that make it a non-issue?

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

So doesn't that make it a non-issue?

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Well not for him because there are quite a few people who live/work in the area whose immigration status is questionable ;)

Like already said, technically it is considered as such BUT (and this is a big BUT) businesses are allowed to refuse business from anyone they want so I don't think this is a big deal.

Honestly, if I decide to open up a business and I don't want the hassle of trying to understand someone who speaks a language, it should be my choice. I shouldn't be chastised for it.

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

I have to say no. People should be able to put up whatever sign they want.

Now, if a customer comes in and says "Ichiban Cheesesteak, o kudasai" and holds up one finger while pointing to a picture of the chessesteak and they actually refuse to serve him, then that's a whole other ballgame.

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Tom - How about this sign "Smoking Allowed" :thumb: OOOPPPS "... put up whatever SIGN..."

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

It is somewhat ironic that he has a sign that proudly declares it's America and then proceeds to piss on everything that America is supposed to stand for.

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What would that be? Discriminating against a minority? Is it hard speaking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time?

The sign itself just proves he's a redneck. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to put it up. His business, his rules, simple as that.

um...

the sign is written in English isn't it?

Now if i cant speak English what are the chances i can read the sign?

Uno Cheasteak por favor Senor idiota

The sign screams of ...patriotism? I believe thats the word Im looking for.
And since I dont like patriotism, i dont like the sign.
The "This is america" part is unnecessary, it gives me the feeling that whoever put the sign up doesnt think non english speakers have a place in America. "Speak english when ordering" would be sufficient to get the message across.

The strict answer to your question is No. Signs are inanimate objects. I like sunshines observation.

Actually customers who can't order in English is less of a problem than when the person TAKING the order can barely understand English.

-tg

Anyone who orders and eats a Philly Cheese Steak sandwich which contains about 1000 calories and 70 grams of fat deserves whatever treatment they get.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

Actually customers who can't order in English is less of a problem than when the person TAKING the order can barely understand English.

-tg

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My favorite is watching one ethnic group ordering from another ethnic group. In my old neighborhood the Sihk's had a convenience store next to the Chinese laundry. It tended not to be a highlight film for English as a spoken language when they got together.

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Originally Posted by MartinLiss

a Philly Cheese Steak sandwich which contains about 1000 calories and 70 grams of fat

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Yeah, we know how to do things right. :afrog:

hey crptc - you in philly?

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

Yeah, we know how to do things right. :afrog:

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I just noticed your "Location" LOL.

It's a good job nobody ever gets sick to the back teeth of Mark Gambo's posts.

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Originally Posted by SunshineBH

um...

the sign is written in English isn't it?

Now if i cant speak English what are the chances i can read the sign?

Uno Cheasteak por favor Senor idiota

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:lol: Good point

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Originally Posted by wossname

It's a good job nobody ever gets sick to the back teeth of Mark Gambo's posts.

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Huh? Hey Woss, speak english!

;-)

Well don't I feel foolish? Oh my yes.

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Originally Posted by wossname

Well don't I feel foolish? Oh my yes.

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Now you know how it feels to be a Dumocrat (Democrat just in case any of them are reading this, I want them to know who I am talking about)

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Originally Posted by Atheist

The sign screams of ...patriotism? I believe thats the word Im looking for.
And since I dont like patriotism, i dont like the sign.
The "This is america" part is unnecessary, it gives me the feeling that whoever put the sign up doesnt think non english speakers have a place in America. "Speak english when ordering" would be sufficient to get the message across.

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I'd order in "Pikey" (See the movie Snatch), that would be funny.

i think that if you want to live in the United States, you should speak English. Not perfect English, but at least know some English or get a translator to follow you around :)

Not intending to be xenophobic, but I've yet to meet anyone from the US that speaks (and / or writes) English; 'American English', yes, but English, no. :D

Funny, I don't see americans ordering in mandarin when they visit Beijing, or german when they visit germany. They just 'expect' every restaurant in every other country to cater to their language.

The hypocrisy and ethnocentrism just make me want to stab an american in the face, while ordering a hamburger in swahili.

Why any beautiful, potent, rich American would ever want to leave God's own country is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by MaximilianMayrhofer

Funny, I don't see americans ordering in mandarin when they visit Beijing, or german when they visit germany. They just 'expect' every restaurant in every other country to cater to their language.

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Hey, we kicked their asses in the second WW2. The least they can do is learn the language of their new overlords. :afrog:

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

Hey, we kicked their asses in the second WW2.

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But it wasn't as good as the first WW2. Sequels are always boring.

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

Hey, we kicked their asses in the second WW2 . . .

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Hmmm, was there a sequel to World War Two that we don't know about perhaps? Here I thought all these years that there was only One World War Two, So I guess the dems will spring this one on us as soon as they decide who their candidate is, I guess. I hope they don't decide until August at the Dem's convention because by then all hopes the dems had of winning will be destroyed by the polarizing campaigns of Shilliary and Barack "Hussein" Obama

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Originally Posted by mendhak

But it wasn't as good as the first WW2. Sequels are always boring.

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Hmmm, was there a sequel to World War Two that we don't know about perhaps? . . .

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I guess great minds think alike!

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Hmmm, was there a sequel to World War Two that we don't know about perhaps? Here I thought all these years that there was only One World War Two, So I guess the dems will spring this one on us as soon as they decide who their candidate is, I guess. I hope they don't decide until August at the Dem's convention because by then all hopes the dems had of winning will be destroyed by the polarizing campaigns of Shilliary and Barack "Hussein" Obama

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Do people get the urge to jump in front of a train when you talk in real life, too? Or is it just when you post things online?

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Originally Posted by dclamp

i think that if you want to live in the United States, you should speak English. Not perfect English, but at least know some English or get a translator to follow you around :)

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Really?

You should really be speaking in a native American dialect as it's their country you live in :p. That's probably quite difficult to speak so as you are most likely descended form the Spanish settlers who colonised north America in the 15th Century you should be speaking Spanish. Failing that; and going back even further to the first century; the Vikings were probably the first to find your country so you could speak in Norwegian and I hear that it is quite easy as a few of the words from the English language are stolen from from the Vikings Norwegian.

In any case; English should only be spoken in London and East Anglia and possibly mixed in with Breton which the South East should be speaking. Cornish in the south west, Welsh in Wales, Irish in Irelend, Scottish Gaelic in Scotland and some kinda Ali G Chav like Dialect everywhere else in the UK.

Finally, whoever made the sign is silly; Eagles DON'T speak English.

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Originally Posted by visualAd

You should really be speaking in a native American dialect as it's their country you live in :p. That's probably quite difficult to speak so as you are most likely descended form the Spanish settlers who colonised north America in the 15th Century you should be speaking Spanish. Failing that; and going back even further to the first century; the Vikings were probably the first to find your country so you could speak in Norwegian and I hear that it is quite easy as a few of the words from the English language are stolen from from the Vikings Norwegian.

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I bet they don't cover that in American History :D

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

the second WW2.

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Dude, LOL. You said second WW2..

Its about time my talents were appreciated. :afrog:

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

Do people get the urge to jump in front of a train when you talk in real life, too? Or is it just when you post things online?

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No, only by "self proclaimed" hysterical US history historians like yourself ;-).

Why is it that a majority of people in the development field (read Programing people) seem to lean more toward the left? How about pontificating about that one 'blade? :lol:

Remember like I tell some of my liberal friends "Don't go away mad, just go away!" :lol: I seem to have struck a nerve with you, I guess you and Rudy Guiliani both have something in common - Thin Skin. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

No, only by "self proclaimed" hysterical US history historians like yourself ;-).

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:rolleyes: Indeed.

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Why is it that a majority of people in the development field (read Programing people) seem to lean more toward the left? How about pontificating about that one 'blade? :lol:

Remember like I tell some of my liberal friends "Don't go away mad, just go away!" :lol: I seem to have struck a nerve with you, I guess you and Rudy Guiliani both have something in common - Thin Skin. :lol:

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If this is a veiled criticism of me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it. :afrog:

*stab, stab*

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

I guess great minds think alike!

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And from those two quotes, it's obvious that it's not just great minds.

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Originally Posted by visualAd

I bet they don't cover that in American History :D

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I've never seen anyone quote themselves before.:confused:

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Why is it that a majority of people in the development field (read Programing people) seem to lean more toward the left? How about pontificating about that one 'blade? :lol:

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I will:

Conservatives find liberal bias in a variety of fields: Academia, press (pretty much only informative press, not the airheaded stuff), and now development. So what's the bottom line: Any industry that requires a fair amount of thought, intelligence, or creativity tends to be liberal. Gee, what a surprise.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

I've never seen anyone quote themselves before.:confused:

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NoteMe used to do it all the time :D

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Originally Posted by grilkip

Dude, LOL. You said second WW2..

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You mean there weren't two WWII's?

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Originally Posted by visualAd

NoteMe used to do it all the time :D

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NoteMe was as surprised by what he was saying as the rest of us were.

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Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker

I will:

Conservatives find liberal bias in a variety of fields: Academia, press (pretty much only informative press, not the airheaded stuff), and now development. So what's the bottom line: Any industry that requires a fair amount of thought, intelligence, or creativity tends to be liberal. Gee, what a surprise.

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A quote by Colin Powell

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Originally Posted by Colin Powell

Don't be buffaloed by experts and elites. Experts often possess more data than judgment. Elites can become so inbred that they produce haemophiliacs who bleed to death as soon as they are nicked by the real world."

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So we should be led by ignorance and incompetence? That certainly explains the current administration.

I agree that we shouldn't be buffaloed by anybody. That's irrelevant to my point, though.

Your point is pretty irrelevant. Go and find me a trivial definition for triviality.

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Originally Posted by crptcblade

Do people get the urge to jump in front of a train when you talk in real life, too? Or is it just when you post things online?

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Funny, I was thinking much the same. Oh crap, here come's Gambo, all we're talking about is the weather and somehow he's going to start frothing at the mouth and ranting about the democrats..... :ehh: Run away, run away :D

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

A quote by Colin Powell

Don't be buffaloed by experts and elites. Experts often possess more data than judgment. Elites can become so inbred that they produce haemophiliacs who bleed to death as soon as they are nicked by the real world." [/URL]

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Yes, but wasn't Colin Powell the chap who got laughed out of the UN for posting pictures of ice-cream trucks and saying that they were mobile plants for WMD. :ehh: He listened to his experts (CIA) and Elite (Bush and buddies) then. So maybe he feels that he got burned a bit by them, rather than following his own brains, looking at the "evidence" provided and realising (as pretty much the rest of the world did) that it was all circumstantial and peaced together by people with an agenda.

:(
At least they said "please"?
Or was it imperative?

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Originally Posted by SurfDemon

Funny, I was thinking much the same. Oh crap, here come's Gambo, all we're talking about is the weather and somehow he's going to start frothing at the mouth and ranting about the democrats..... :ehh: Run away, run away :D

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Source?

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Remember like I tell some of my liberal friends "Don't go away mad, just go away!" :lol: I seem to have struck a nerve with you, I guess you and Rudy Guiliani both have something in common - Thin Skin. :lol:

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You know the view that all Americans should be Republicans is the same as saying they should all speak English. Why don't we just make American a fascist state and force everyone to be an English speaking Republican?

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

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Sorry to say, that in almost every thread I have read from you in the last month it has all been about the Democrats.

Look at this thread alone...

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Remember like I tell some of my liberal friends "Don't go away mad, just go away!"

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Now you know how it feels to be a Dumocrat

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Here I thought all these years that there was only One World War Two, So I guess the dems will spring this one on us as...

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:ehh: This is a thread about a sign in a shop and speaking English.

And then there's your constant anti-Democrat comments.

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

I guess we are all playing by the rules set forth by HillBilly and the Dems.

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-When defending an obvious photochop.

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

...and Osama, that rhymes with Obama

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-Nice and open minded there.

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Originally Posted by Mark Gambo

Shilliary Clinton

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- okay, I've been ignoring your repeated use of this, but really what does that even mean? Shill?

Then there's the repeatedly predictable anti-Democrat posts in chit-chat. You were throwing them up at quite a rate there for a while...
- Is Geraldine Ferraro (D), a supporter of Hillary Clinton for President, a racist? (When it's quite apparent from the story that she isn't)
- Hilliary Campaign Photo - Disturbing (Photochopped?)
- The Kiss of Death - Farrakhan Praises Senator Obama?
- More bad news for Clinton and the Dems...

Now, don't get me wrong, I really have no problem with you posting all of this stuff, you're more than welcome to your opinion. But it has become so obviously an axe that you are trying to grind, that to be honest, I have mentally pigeon-holed you into a group of people who blindly follow their party line no matter what they think for themselves. Now, I did remove you from the pigeon-hole with one of your posts, when you said that you where not anti-democrat, but then you went back to the usual company line of "na na na na - we're going to win" sort of thing and I firmly placed you back in the pigeon-hole.

That shouldn't concern you, as you have every right to speak your mind, however you do come across as very biased, which instantly makes people take any opinions you post with a pinch of salt. "Oh - oh, here's Gambo on one of his rants".

It's like people who refer to Microsoft as Micro$haft and think that they're being funny, all they are really doing is letting people know that their opinion is to be taken lightly.

Now in fairness, maybe you have pigeon-holed me in much the same way, but at least I try to be semi-impartial in my tone (if not my content :) ). I think it would reduce the eloquence of my words if I referred to Bush as Bu$h.

Anyway, like I say, much as I really dislike Hillary Clinton, why the "Shillary" moniker?