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Microsofts new XBox One is putting all sorts of restrictions such as only being able to share to just one friend and play games with upto just 10 family members. And that friend has to have been on your friends list more than 30 days. This DRM is gonna kill the XBox on arrival causing everyone to flock to PC gaming and Sony. What do you think?
I don't often lend/borrow games, but the principle of it annoys me... so if things are the same way when the consoles are released, I'll almost certainly avoid the XBox (which should be called 3, not 1!).
Also the XBox One has to connect to the internet every 24 hours for you to even play games at all or you can only play for one hour before it powers off on you. All the XBox One is, is an overglorified cablebox. The PS4 you don't have to be on the internet, and their primary focus is on gamers, while MS is doing the complete opposite. Not to mention, places like Gamestop cant resell the XBox One games because of this restriction. So reselling and rental services such as Redbox are out of the picture. And since the discs are basically installation discs so you don't have to use the disc any more, the games you do buy you don't really own. It is primarily a longterm rental service. If a company finds the game no longer profitable, they can pull the plug anytime and you can no longer play the game because the servers will be down. With Sony and Nintendo, this is not the case at all. And if MS continues this BS, the XBox will truely die where it stands. Its already dying before arrival! Nothing but badnews has been coming out there about the new XBox One. The only thing good that came out was Metal Gear Solid 5 shown at E3. Thats about it.
How many people in your family play games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
All my cousins (about 16 of them), one of whom is a bigtime collector, my brother, most of my uncles, my father, a couple of my aunts, my second cousins, my nieces and nephews...a lot of people in my family o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by baja_yu
Hmm, far from free of stupid DRM restrictions itself! Hackers Paradise this way!Quote:
causing everyone to flock to PC gaming
As a long time proud and incredibly obnoxious PC gamer, I was happy with Sony's E3 presentation. Even much so that I'm even considering just flat-out moving to the PC. Bear in mind, it is just that - a consideration. I still need to find out how much games will cost at launch, and when some of my favourite PC indie titles such as Hotline Miami, Don't Starve, and Octodad will be arriving to PS4, but here are the pros to consider PS4 over the PC platform:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
- No mandatory bullshit DRM like Steam or Xbox One to be locked down into
- No longer having to wait for games to download to play them (they seem to have play while you download feature)
- I can finally record and share game clips to my friends! I actually find this a pretty cool feature and it's a feature that has been on some PC game titles but has been done so badly the only other option I had was to buy Fraps and record.
- I can finally trade in games and permanently get rid of them. I've got so many games on my Steam list it now feels like work when I try to play and complete games. I'll sit there and go "Oh, I want to play CS:GO or TF2, but I've just bought X and it really should be completed to get that money's worth."
- My friends are more likely to be on PS4 than PC. Much more likely.
- Can use it as a bluray player
And here are the cons for PS4 over the PC (for me):
- Games aren't necessarily cheaper
- Games will probably require installation, just like PC
- No modding community or way to modify games (this came in handy for Hotline Miami where I just modified my savegame to get the final final ending)
- Really am not used to the controller, I'd much prefer keyboard and mouse honestly. I just suck with the controller :(
- I doubt the multiplayer community on PS4 will as active as the PC multiplayer community.
- Down the line graphics on the PS4 will be weaker than PC
- No backwards compatibility
I'm still scratching my head over things. I'm not entirely convinced on getting the PS4, but I know there are definitely advantages over the PC. It just depends if I can muster up enough cash to drop on the PS4 as I've already gone and bought myself a Nexus 10 and a Nexus 4.
In my view consoles suck in comparison to the PC. Well except in the days of Super Nintendo which had a slew of very interesting titles that just weren't available on the PC. But I've noticed that past that time, the PC was consistently better. It had better hardware so games looked better and it had way way way more volatile and non-volatile storage for game data. Just compare the few titles that were available for both PC and a console like the N64. The PC versions always have more levels, better sound and of course better graphics and the keyboard/mouse combo is way way superior to any controller.
I remember this fondly with Doom and Golden Eye for the N64. Firstly with Doom. I remember playing the SNES version but after I had long beaten the PC version and the limitations were astounding. The PC version had 3 full episodes of 10 levels each while the SNES version had only a single episode. That means its was a whole 20 levels short. Also, if I remembered correctly, there were also a few enemies classes missing. The shorter levels and missing actors were no doubt to conserve the limited ROM on the cartridge hence I remember thinking if there was any point at all in porting this game if it had to be butchered so fiercely.
Then we have Golden Eye which I played quite a lot with friends. I distinctively remember getting raped constantly and thinking how I could have done some serious damage if I had a mouse and keyboard at my disposal. All the amazing maneuvers you could make on a PC like strafe-running, circle strafing and 1/2 second 180s were impossible(Note: I said impossible, not difficult. Plain Impossible!!) to pull of on a controller but a breeze on a PC. It was like playing handicapped.
In this day and age there is nothing, absolutely nothing someone can say to convince to that a console is a worthy investment especially when you already have a modern PC.
The only thing that consoles have as an advantage is the number of titles that are available for them, especially exclusive titles like God of War which I would love to see on the PC.
Well no duh that the PC pwns the XBox One and PS4 but you are comparing apples and oranges here since with PC's you can pretty much put and interchange whatever hardware you want unless of course you get a laptop. With this thread I'm comparing 2 game consoles. And Microsoft is really getting raped hard by Sony. I mean hardcore raped! Why would MS want to pose so many restrictions just to combat piracy and try to force an industry standard, while at the same time screw over the consumer? Trading games and used games has been around since the Atari 2600. And trying to change that while slapping on tons of other restrictions is not a very wise business decision. Sony won the next console generation hands down and the console isnt even out yet. Thats pretty bad news for MS.
Apologies, my post was more of a direct response to kregg's post in which he mentioned the PC as a gaming platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Roman
More on the topic though, you are right. All these restrictions are really not attractive to a consumer. Were I into consoles, I wouldn't touch the XBox One with a 90 ft pole.
You'd be amazed how many times that has proven to be a complete contradiction in terms!Quote:
I mean they're a multi-billion dollar cooperation, they know what they're doing.
Well you don't go from a small business to one of the largest corporations in the world by consistently making bad decisions. Notice I said consistent. Of course there are going to be bad or even terrible decisions(Aesthetics in VS2012 anyone;)) but they are able to bounce back from these defeats by tweaking their bad decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfiddlin
I don't think they can tweak a console easily. I think it's either successful or a new console. Aesthetics on vs2012 does not bother me that much. I ignore them. Something i can't do when i search for the start menu on W8 (that i will never ever ever ever install on my PC).
Also PC sucked bad to consoles back to the 8086 - 8088 days. Well maybe not consoles (can't recall what was there from consoles) but to ATARI ST and of course AMIGA. But here is to the fellows,including me, that always stuck to the PC games back then, mostly for the adventures.
I would also like to say the word Pirate. PIRATE IRATE PIRATE! I don't know, i just fell arrrggg. Pirate.
I am curious for our USA friends here. Did you lent your PC games back in the old days or, you know, PC-Copy, you remember PC-Copy? To reach those nasty extra sector on the floppy?
I grew up with the Amiga 500. My family still has it to this day and it still works. We have maybe about 3000 games for ir. Most were pirated or cracked. The cracked music still kicks whole leagues of arse. And back then it blew away everyone in both graphics, games, sound, and music. Goodtimes.
I remember the big ATARI ST vs AMIGA and after the PC vs AMIGA arguments back then. Eventually my beloved PC's won and then Microsoft created W95 and scr#w us over and over and over again.
Goodtimes indeed, when the games were made for graphs but mostly for gameplay. Titles like kick off, Sierra's and Lucas adventures, Shinobi, Shadow of the beast and more were played over and over again. Still remember the first time i played Might & Magic Clouds of Xeen and hated it, well until i got out or Vertigo that is, because after that i loved it and still have it in my top 5 games of all time.
Well since i started it i will post my top5 list ( i may miss some games and i ask my forgiveness).
Best of all time 1) Space Quest 3 Pirates of Pestulon
2)M & Magic Clouds of Xeen
3)Sensible Soccer
4)Double Dragon 2
5)Probably Wing Commander or Bubble Bobble since i have played it with my cousin at least 1000 times.
After that is all about Sierra and Lucas Games. Space Quest,Larry,Monkey Island,Indiana etc etc.
Good times.
P.S. First game ever played on my 8088 PC was Hostages in a Orange black monitor, first VGA game i played was Xenon2, first time i used a mouse was (not for dam Windows) Lemmings, first time used the "classic" joystick was for Sensible soccer, first adLib sound i heard was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, first hard disk was a 20MB(!) seagate half used to store Wing Commander, first game in general i played was Pacman on an arcade machine ( i was 3-4 yo), first console Atari2600(and that is about it, never had a console again), first computer game, i can't recall but it was on my cousins Spectrum XZ loaded from that big round tapes (can't recall their name). First game ever saw on a PC was Space Quest I on my other cousins 8086. First time i hated my life was when W95 were released.
These 2 made me life go to the IT field:
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http://www.rombay.com/images/consoles/atari_2600.jpg