Do You Think Visual Studio 2010 Is The Best Visual Studio So Far?

It was techgnome that gave me the idea to start this thread. I was going to reply to his comment in the "Microsoft to Acquire Skype" thread but I thought it would be too off topic so that's why I started this thread.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

they WILL try to rewrite it in C# and WPF and it will suffer miserably (look at *koff*VS2010*koff*) ....

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I was about to say in that thread :

What? You mean you don't think that Visaul Studio 2010 is the absolute best Visual Studio ever? I'm actually not joking here though it sounds like it. From my own experience I like Visual Studio 2010 better than any of the previous Visual Studios. I've used 2008, 2005 and 2003. I'm no expert so maybe there are good reasons to like VS2010 less than some of the prior versions but I'm not aware of what they are.

In my own opinion it seems like Microsoft is getting better with time. I like the more recent Windows, IE, and Visual Studio versions more than the older versions.

There are things about it I like, things that I don't. The two biggest problems I have with it is that I switch from code to the form... don't change anything, and switch back, and VS, recompiles my form... leaving me sitting there, waiting... waiting... It's over agressive... if the off chance I *might* have changed something... rather than actually detecting (or not) a change event.... To me VS2008 was much more light weight than the interface for 2010 is... At least they haven't replaced our beloved toolbars with the ribbon...

-tg

I have used just express editions so far. This time I am using the Ultimate Edition and I like it better than the other express editions I used.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

There are things about it I like, things that I don't. The two biggest problems I have with it is that I switch from code to the form... don't change anything, and switch back, and VS, recompiles my form... leaving me sitting there, waiting... waiting... It's over agressive... if the off chance I *might* have changed something... rather than actually detecting (or not) a change event.... To me VS2008 was much more light weight than the interface for 2010 is... At least they haven't replaced our beloved toolbars with the ribbon...

-tg

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I'm pretty much the same way & the WPF stuff loading just to render the whole IDE seems a little ridiculous.

I don't need VS to look pretty, it's only a development tool that I use to make my app's look pretty.

I think it's the best IDE ever. Period.

VS2010 has a few cool things but not enough for me to retool my lab around. I'm using VS2008/SP1, ActiveReport6 and SQL 2008 R2 to develop a commercial application. I see no reason to upgrade.

'10 is also kind of slow in comparison to '08. I think going with WPF for the front-end explains some of that but it just doesn't seem quite as stable. They'll work that out, of course, but until there's a feature that solves a problem I'm having I just don't see any point in spending the bucks on it right now.

-Max :D

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he two biggest problems I have with it is that I switch from code to the form... don't change anything, and switch back, and VS, recompiles my form... leaving me sitting there, waiting... waiting...

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Oh man this annoys me to no end. There are several forms I work on just filled with panels and tab controls and all sorts of BS that really should be ripped out and re-organized better. Still, it takes some of these forms ages to recompile when maybe all I want to do is change a simple property and get back to the code. Good excuse for a smoke break though ;)

Recompiles forms just switching between views? :eek: Ugh ... hadn't seen that one. (I only use VS2010 in my one job to work on a business-level code component so I don't use the forms engine there). That's completely nuts. The more I hear about VS2010 the more I like VS2008! Until and unless my products won't run on the platform any more I think I'm staying put! If it ain't broke, why fix it? Heh...

-Max :D

It's the background compiler... it's hyper aggressive in my opinion... it's the component that's responsible for giving us intellisense on form objects... there were complaints from 2008 about certain properties not showing up... so they amped up the background compiler... it's gone from doing like 45 to 80 ... needs to level off somewhere aorund 60...

-tg

or a "please don't do unnecessary crap unless I tell you to" option somewhere.

You could always buy a faster computer muaaa haaa haaa.

Sorry had to. (I don't see this happen at all on mine.)

Oh yeah, that background compiler is really intrusive. I start writing a new line of code and right away I get an error because there's no semi colon at the end of the line. Yeah, I know dumbass, I just started writing the line. It could definitely do with a "None of your business. Get off my back!" button.

I'm a tight git, ergo my hardware is pretty out of date. My old (upgraded to the max) XC cube copes with it pretty well but on a more recent cheap laptop it is pretty much unusable. I type, wait for my typing to appear, wait for the underscores to disappear, I type some more, wait....

I have no idea whether Visual Studio 2010 is the better than, say, 2005, but as a Java developer, I can definitely say any Visual Studio version is miles better than that horrid piece of crap Netbeans.

I kid you not, I'm typing my code and it actually takes a couple of seconds for the IDE to catch up. Then it takes another couple of seconds for the IDE to notice I forgot the semicolon.

With Netbeans, you are better off with a plain text editor with Notepad. Both have pretty much the same functionality anyway.

I think 2008 is better! As one of my class mates said there is one thing wrong with VS2010... It's not 2008. Although, 2010 does have more options available.

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Originally Posted by kregg

I have no idea whether Visual Studio 2010 is the better than, say, 2005, but as a Java developer, I can definitely say any Visual Studio version is miles better than that horrid piece of crap Netbeans.

I kid you not, I'm typing my code and it actually takes a couple of seconds for the IDE to catch up. Then it takes another couple of seconds for the IDE to notice I forgot the semicolon.

With Netbeans, you are better off with a plain text editor with Notepad. Both have pretty much the same functionality anyway.

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I agree! Having to learn Java is a pain in the arse without having to use netbeans. I would have preferred learn J# (whatever the Microsoft version is).

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Originally Posted by Nightwalker83

I agree! Having to learn Java is a pain in the arse without having to use netbeans. I would have preferred learn J# (whatever the Microsoft version is).

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That wasn't what I was trying to say. I was saying Netbeans is an abomination. The language itself it actually alright (IMHO).

Try IntelliJ IDEA.
I've actually managed to finish a school project in it without feeling the urge to blow my brains out.

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notepad++ rocks and it gave me loads of confidence without mummy IDE holding my hand. It has a console (addin) too so you can get your compiler feedback without switching in and out. I like it because it covers so many languages, one shop stop.

I'm potentially starting my first real (not self taught) education in computer science (OU) this autumn and I understand Java is all I'll be allowed to use for most modules.

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Originally Posted by techgnome

There are things about it I like, things that I don't. The two biggest problems I have with it is that I switch from code to the form... don't change anything, and switch back, and VS, recompiles my form... leaving me sitting there, waiting... waiting... It's over agressive... if the off chance I *might* have changed something... rather than actually detecting (or not) a change event.... To me VS2008 was much more light weight than the interface for 2010 is... At least they haven't replaced our beloved toolbars with the ribbon...

-tg

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I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons why I do everything in code rather than the designer. It had something to do with waiting, and the designer, anyway :p

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Originally Posted by kregg

That wasn't what I was trying to say. I was saying Netbeans is an abomination. The language itself it actually alright (IMHO).

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I know! I was saying I was having trouble with Java and Net Beans makes learning it harder.

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Originally Posted by TheBigB

Try IntelliJ IDEA.

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Thanks! I will look into it.