Our software:
Written in VB5
Uses an access 97 Database
Will not run on Windows 2000
Thanks for nothing Microsoft!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Mark Sreeves
Analyst Programmer
[email protected]
A BMW Group Company
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Our software:
Written in VB5
Uses an access 97 Database
Will not run on Windows 2000
Thanks for nothing Microsoft!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Mark Sreeves
Analyst Programmer
[email protected]
A BMW Group Company
YEAH DOWN WITH MICROSOFT!!!
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david
Teenage Programmer
I just bought SuSE Linux 6.3 and I'm planning to ignore Microsoft in the future.
but I like VB so I have a kind of problem :(
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Best Regards rancor
[email protected]
http://www.sajberhem.nu
Maybe it`ll work under W.I.N.E. sometime...Quote:
Originally posted by rancor:
I just bought SuSE Linux 6.3 and I'm planning to ignore Microsoft in the future.
but I like VB so I have a kind of problem :(
LoL, Linux is anti-useful, anti-compatible, and non-user friendly. Plus, everytime you install anything on Linux, you have to fiddle around with the kernal for a few days until it works. Microsoft is giving us a break when it comes out with new and practical software.
Or maybe that's just my MCSE talking.
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When in Rome, do as the Barbarians do. They won, remember.
Regarding Linux
Play with the kernal everytime you install something? What linux are you using? I've used fromRedHat 5 to 6.2 and had no problems. Haven't had to play with kernal at all. Maybe it depends on what you install. As for WINE, I tried using it to run some office apps and it would run them but SOOO slowly. I have a split partion (until I get 2nd computer) with Win95 on one and linux on the other. I have no intention of ever upgrading to Win2000 or office 2000. The only reason I keep windows is for programming and playing games.
Linux rocks, yes it's not for evreyone and it's not very user-friendly but I'd rather have a sytem that doesn't force me to upgrade or decides that I should use these programs or decides to just not work for awhile that I get to tweak as I want it then the other way around.
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:-)
Note: Disclaimer on .sig - maybe he doesn't :-)
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'cos Buzby says so!'
I understand your hatred, however, creating your own OS will not solve the problem. Because the problem Mike Sreeves is having has nothing to do with the Windows OS. It only has to do with Access and VB5. These products would still be supported under your OS and thus the problem would still exist. MS may not have included support for VB5 in Windows 2000 but I'm sure they included support for VB6. So you don't need to worry, chrisjk, your apps will still work. But yes, it was very inconsiderate of MS to not include support for VB5 in Windows 2000 since there are still so many people who use it. :(
Quote:
Originally posted by Knight_Vision:
Now you all see WHY I hate MS so much.. They are forcing us all to upgrade each time they come out with a new OS or product. And the upgrades are NOT cheap!! errr..
Finally, SOMEONE who knows my pain.. :)
THIS is why I am creating my own OS.
http://www.stengineer.com/lcars/
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Ryan
I'm gonna get flamed for this but what the hell.......
netSurfer...upgrades are a fact of life, no matter what software you're using (or hardware for that matter!) (Plus you just admitted you've used RedHat versions 5 through 6.x...so hmmm, doesn't that mean you 'upgraded' your Linux??)
I find it SO ironic that people here are complaining about 'being forced by Microsoft to upgrade cuz it's so expensive..' but LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO UPGRADE YOUR HARDWARE EVERY YEAR OR 2!!
Why aren't you complaining about the new $3000 system you have to buy every 2 years (or less!)?? And dont' tell me the only reason you HAVE to upgrade your machine is cuz MS's new OS's require it...that's not a good reason. Look at the processing requirements of most games. You WANT better graphics, you WANT speech, you WANT speech recognition...all these things come at a processing price. ALL software (no matter what OS you use) matures, and eventually requires better hardware.
Try playing ANY current game on a P75 Linux machine...
[This message has been edited by Brent Akester (edited 02-11-2000).]
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Sreeves:
Our software:
Written in VB5
Uses an access 97 Database
Will not run on Windows 2000
Thanks for nothing Microsoft!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Mind saying what's broken?
Does that mean stuff built with VB6 using Access 97 DB won't run under Win2000??? I hope it does...
Quote:
Originally posted by Knight_Vision:
Now you all see WHY I hate MS so much.. They are forcing us all to upgrade each time they come out with a new OS or product. And the upgrades are NOT cheap!! errr..
Finally, SOMEONE who knows my pain.. :)
THIS is why I am creating my own OS.
http://www.stengineer.com/lcars/
YOU BUY MICROSOFT PRODUCTS?! why? :) They don't deserve it!!!!!!! I'ld make my own OS too but it'ld suck more then MS (maybe :P) hehe
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DiGiTaIErRoR
VB, QBasic, Iptscrae, HTML
Quote: There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.
Now you all see WHY I hate MS so much.. They are forcing us all to upgrade each time they come out with a new OS or product. And the upgrades are NOT cheap!! errr..
Finally, SOMEONE who knows my pain.. :)
THIS is why I am creating my own OS.
http://www.stengineer.com/lcars/
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John T. Mieske
Star Trek LCARS programmer
Knight Vision Enterprises
[email protected]
This is not good Mark. I think that KnightVision might be on the right track after all with a sympathetic OS. Wouldn't it be great if there were a program that compiled and ran everything universally so it could run on any machine at any time.One that brought everything to the bit level and read it back the same way no matter what the upgrade!If enough folks united in this effort
maybe someday our kids might see one free system for everyone. It is about time. I'm not against making money for writing programs but unless these upgrades that leave my software useless are going to knock my socks off then don't bother,someone or even a lot of people like KnightVision will make an OS that helps. I think Linux is going to become just another M$. What we need is a non-profit OS initiative!
Joey O
thanks for asking JHausmann,
Database problems 3445 and 3447
refer to http://www.vb-world.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015100.html as well
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Mark Sreeves
Analyst Programmer
[email protected]
A BMW Group Company
Hey, Linux users needing VB...
Give VM Ware a try
http://www.vmware.com
It's free for Linux and is the best virtual machine software I've used.
I ran it on SuSE 6.0 and had it running Virtual copies of Redhat 5.2, Win 98 and Win NT all at the same time!!! (I was using a 400MHz AMD with 128 MB of RAM...)
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Matthew Ralston
E-Mail: [email protected]
ICQ: 31422892
Web Site: My Home Page
AKA: ...::: The Fragmeinster :::... (On Quake 3 World Forums)
Sorry about my English, but my Scouse is dead good!
joey o.
<<. Wouldn't it be great if there were a program that compiled and ran everything universally so it could run on any machine at any time.
The biggest problemm of Windows is, by my opinion, that is too universal. That what makes Windows to be so huge, memory-hungry, ...., and hard to control in developing cycle.
Do you really wish something more universal and .... complicated?
Be carefull what you wish - it can happen.
Actually, Windows is not as universal as MS would like you to beleive. Every 3 years or so, they change the Windows OS on you. Joey O had it right about an OS that you can run to YOUR specifications. Not MS or anyone elses for that matter. This is what we are working on. We want it universal but not HUGE. I hate Windows for several reasons. And being HUGE is one of them. Who needs all those dang files. I don't. I don't know ANY company ACCEPT MS that uses every file 100% of the time. So, Linux, was on the right tract, but they are VERY unorganized.
Here is something else I noticed, and it took VB to show it to me. Let's say I make an APP. It required a certain DLL. The DLL comes with VB. Now, the default DLL that comes with windows is overwritten. Why? Cuzz it's considered outdated. I have seen this with EVERY application from MS. They ALWAYS supply an updated version of ALL DLLs and OCXs etc.. with every app. So, why have all those files installed with your Windows 95/98? You don't need too. That's the point. When I did a test, I deleted about 80% of the files when I installed a clean install of windows. Did you know that you only need about 20% of the files that get's installed ? Makes you think doesn't it. You see, when you install for a monitor for example, it asks you what kind. So you specify it. So windows installs the default NFO file for the Monitor, but it also installs a few others, just in case U change your monitor later. That is a waste of space. And MS does this for a TON of files. Bottom line, Windows is a waste. You don't need it. The OS can be done by anyone who has the time. Even if you keep the boot part that MS uses, you can still recreate windows to your own liking using the basic files and your own Explorer.exe created with VB.
Here is another thing. The Registry Databse. I have been looking into it. If there is an error, it doesn't always fix it. You must reinstall windows to replace it. It also puts hundreds of those *.tmp files in your windows directory if it errors out too. And you may never know it until it's too late. So your drive is slowly being eaton up. AND, you can't figure out where the error is because MS didn't give you a utility to match the *.tmp file with the error that the Registry comes up with. I have tried. Trust me, you can't. The registry was also supposed keep itself clean and tidy. HA! Fat chance.
These are just some of the things that my partner and I were looking into. Do we have a lot on our plate? Yes, but it's not something that you can judge just yet. Cuzz you all are the BETA testers. AND we won't screw you like MS does! Our stuff is not the replacement of MS, but a FREE choice. Linux had this idea at one time, but lost it when they became disorganized. :(
http://www.stengineer.com/lcars/
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John T. Mieske
Star Trek LCARS programmer
Knight Vision Enterprises
[email protected]
Why do you guys buy Microsoft products?
There's an invention that's out now called a BURNER! Who cares about Microsoft? I say SCREW THEM.
Why do you buy their products when you can HAVE THEM BURNED!!?? I just had MS Frontpage 2000 burned for me today, and do you think I bought my copy of VB6? Hell no! I had it burned along with my copy of the two MSDN help CD's! Why give them more money when they are already the richest computer-oriented company in the world? The only reason why their products are superior is because they can afford do have the best programmers work for them. You guys are just going to sit there, and help them be even richer?
Look, my logic is to give other companies a chance, too. I mean, why should Microsoft get all the glory? You know anyone else could make just as good software with the amount of money they have.
So do us all a favor: Don't help support Microsoft's escapade by buying their products. If you really want their product, borrow it from a friend, or HAVE IT BURNED!!!!
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Euh, i like that it is 'universal', darn it would be crap of i had to write stuff for every single video chipset(like them really old DOS programs had to do).
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This is great, a Visual Basic board that also bashes Microsoft. I admit, i've cussed them out many a time, but I love programming, especially in Visual Basic. No one forces my hands to type in line after line of Visual Basic and/or Visual C++ code. If it('it' being the Microsoft's Operating System or Programming Environment) sucks so bad heres a solution: QUIT USING MICROSOFT'S PRODUCTS! No one makes you use Microsoft's anything. If all of you Microsoft bashers would quit cryin' about how bad [you think] Microsoft has 'forced' you to comply to their rules(and whipped and beat you to program with their tools on their OS) and spent more time actually programming we'd probably have much better software these days(and fewer unhandled exceptions/illegal operations).
Don't like what Microsoft's doin? then go program/annoy/cry on some other platform and leave this forum to Visual Basic programming.
Anyone interested in a Linux OS that runs Windows Applications?
Look at this site, http://www.corel.com/news/2000/janua...ary_6_2000.htm
Too bad its commercial. :rolleyes:
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It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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Don't forget that M$ is a marketing company, not a software company.
They got themsleves in the position M$ is now, we all helped with that, simply by using an M$ product (whether you payed for it or not).
So, if you are so anti M$, get rid of your illegal copied M$ cd's, download Linux, and go code in C.
Else, just live with the fact that dll's are overwritten, certain things don't work in W2K, and just workaround the problems, and shut up. It's useless to complain if you keep using the product and thus keep complaining. M$ won't listen to you anyway...
NO OS is perfect, debian.org shows over 10000 bugs in the latest linux distribution. So don't ask as if Linux is heaven and windooz is hell... Just pick the right tool for the right task. (where NT is the right tool for me...)
Borland (or whoever they are called currently ;-) ) have brought out a cross platform version of Java. I.e. not only does the resultant Java prog run on any platform without alteration but now you can use the same IDE on any platform!Quote:
Originally posted by joey o.:
Wouldn't it be great if there were a program that compiled and ran everything universally so it could run on any machine at any time.
Whats more - it's FREE!!!
http://www.borland.com/jbuilder/
Has anyone tried this product and can they tell us what their assessment of it is?
Regards,
John
[This message has been edited by J Staniforth (edited 02-15-2000).]