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Hi Guys,
Can anyone please confirm the following:
If I install Windows 7 "Home Premium" 64 bit, can I run a Virtual Machine (say Virtual Box) and install XP Pro 32 bit?
In other words, can I run a 32 bit OS within a 64 bit host under Home Premium?
From what I understand, Win7 Premium/Ultimate 64 bit "can" run Virtual PC XP mode as 32 bit - however, I am inquiring about "Home Premium" which doesn't allow install of XP Mode.
Cheers.
Hey Bruce!
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir...t/default.aspxQuote:
Note: Windows XP Mode is only available in Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 7 Professional, and Windows 7 Ultimate
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir...pport/faq.aspx
Under the FAQs there are some good question answered that pertain to your situation.Quote:
Why is Windows XP Mode not available in Windows 7 Home Premium?
Windows XP Mode is best suited for older business and productivity applications such as accounting, inventory, and similar applications. Windows XP Mode is not aimed at consumers because many consumer applications require extensive use of hardware interfaces, such as 3-D graphics, audio, and TV tuners, that do not work well under virtualization today.
It appears there is a difference between XP Mode and a VPC XP OS install.
Hi Rob, ;)
I have a friend who has Win7 64bit, and he can run XP Pro 32bit under XP Mode. He is using Windows 7 Pro (maybe Ultimate). So I know it can be done with those versions. The problem is if I get "Home Premium" 64bit, can install a 32 bit OS under a 3rd party VM?
I'll look into it - cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobDog888
It appears so. If they are doing a full VPC install then it should allow the 32 bit. If they want to use the "XP Mode" then I would say its not "setup" for it. Probably just have him install VPC and install XP under 32 bit version. Not sure if the manufacturer he is going to use the for the VM will be the same support as MS' VPC.
I need to investigate the possible differences between the OEM VPC (XP Mode) and 3rd party VM's as you pointed out.
He has told me that at work his Win7 64 bit host, runs 32 bit XP Mode fine.
I could test it, but I am not at home in Aus (I have Win7 64 bit RC).
I run my VPC Win98SE, WinME and XP 32Bit VM's on Virtual PC 2007 SP1 on my Win7 x64 computers. Just dl the x64 VPC from MS.
I don't know if you want it for application testing, but really you can use pretty much any application in Windows 7 x64.
The issue with most applications is file access and administrative tasks, both can be solved with compatibility mode.
Now there are some functions that have gone unsupported, in that case you should probably use something like XPMode.
And for the 32-bit applications;
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my understanding they are fully supported in x64 environments.
I feel it's too much of a hassle to have programs in virtual machines unless for testing, but I'd appreciate it if someone could educate me with more uses for virtual machines.
Thanks guys.
@ JuggaloBrotha: That is what I was hoping for. :thumb: However I note your using Ultimate, so i guess (as earlier OS's) I can use VPC 2007 for Home Premium (as opposed to XP Mode)
@ theBigB: I play Wolfenstien (RTCW) and it dosn't run on Win7 64 bit OS. So for me to be able to take advantage of Win7 64 bit, and be able to play RTCW under VPC XP 32 bit is a good solution. I prefer that to dual boot, separate HDD OS's etc etc.
I think I should move this out of CC :D
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I just installed RTCW on my Win7 Professional laptop and it runs without problems. It appears that the XP compatibility launches automatically rather than me having to run a separate program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Fox
VPC 2007 x64 works on all Win7 x64 editions, I just happen to be running Win7 Ultimate but I have a friend running it on Win7 Home Premium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Fox
I use VPC still for 2 reasons: Both my Win7 computer's CPU's don't support virtualization so I can't run the Win7 XP mode like I want to and (2) I happen to already have these VM's set up from when I was running XP still so I carried them over.
I only use it for application development testing, I need a way to test my .Net programs on different OS's, even Win98 for 3 of my programs. I don't mind launching VPC then loading an entire OS because I do it so few times per month.
you may want to check for a rtcw patch before jumping through hoops. I have a few games that run fine which required a patch and wouldn't even launch beforehand.
Another possibility is you may just need to go to microsoft's download area and run the directx end user runtime installer. While 7 is dx10 compatible 100%, it is NOT 9.0c 100% until you do this.
it looks like the most recent version is 1.41. Try that one.
Considering rtcw is nine years old I don't think there wold be one! Although, I could be know. Now, I know nothing about how the XP compatibility works in Win 7 whether it is run automatically when the system starts or whether you have to enable it. However, on my machine I was able install and play it straight from the get go without installing patches, etc so it should work on Win 7 Home Premium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Orwell
well i just happen to have the platinum edition of this game. Just as a test to see if i could get it to work, i installed it on my wife's dell running win7 today and it runs perfectly fine. I do not have xp mode installed on it. The version of wolf i'm running is 1.32 and it's using opengl so directx shouldn't matter. However, i am running the 32-bit version of win7 so that may make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightwalker83
I would try a new install of the game and patch it to 1.32 and see if it runs.
As mentioned, (and confirmed buy some of you) VMs/XP Mode runs 32 bit on a 64 bit host - no issue there.
My original question still remains. That being (for example) Virtual Box 32 bit on Windows 7 64 bit - Home Premium.
For those that may not know, Home Premium does not have XP Mode, only Premium and Ultimate. Hence, my original questions.
i dont know if it still is, but you may be able to download it. We're running rc1 which didn't come with it. It's a separate download. But like i said the game runs fine for us without any emulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Fox
Possibly, the question should be; can a 3rd party 32 bit VM such as Virtual Box, run on Win7 64 bit Home Premium.
I am not at home at the moment (for another 2 weeks) so I can't test this out as I have Win7 64bit RC, and I would run up a 32bit VM.
I see no sense for me, to buy Premium (or Ultimate for that matter) if I can get a VM up on Home Premium. Obviously, this would never be an issue if I were to buy Premium or Ultimate.
you could always dual-boot xp.
True, however that is 'old' school, VMs are now.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Orwell
if you dont have hardware virtualization, you see a huge performance hit. personaly my gaming rig runs vista but my dual core laptop triple boots because i have some games that the directx 10 screws up joystick settings, and its got 1.5gb ram.
ps virtual pc is as old as xp. i still say fix your 7 install and all this will become moot. two people have it running in 7 natively. have you all windows updates?
Quote: "two people have it running in 7 natively"
They are running Professional, or Ultimate which supports XP Mode (VPC). Home Premium does not.....
Hence, my post relating to 32bit 3rd party VMs hosted on Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OS.
All the best for the New Year.
This nothing to do with the topic at hand because I don't know how the XP compatibility in Win7 is triggered. However, looking back at my thread I found this, you might need to install GLsetup on your Virtual Machine in order to play RTCW.
as stated earlier, i'm one of the two people and i don't have xp mode. However it may be the fact you're running 64 bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Fox
just because our version supports xp mode doesn't mean it's actually installed. Mine's rc1 and if i want it i have to download it.
Have you tried running the program in compatibility mode for xp on the right-click menu?
Hang on guys, I haven't installed anything yet - just trying to establish a sanity check prior to purchase.
Post #1 - Quote: "If I install Windows 7 "Home Premium" 64 bit, can I run a Virtual Machine (say Virtual Box) and install XP Pro 32 bit?"
RTCW came up in later posts as an example 32 bit 'app'.
well yes you can run 32 bit apps in a vm. However before going overboard installing vms, i would go ahead and update your OS after install and see if rtcw runs without any help. MS is constantly releasing compatibility update patches. Maybe you'll get lucky. I remember when i first got oblivion it wouldn't run stably in 64-bit (it would crash within the first 3 minutes). On my more recent install, it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Fox
I agree! Bruce is better off buying Win 7 and seeing if it does what he is after before trying to install a Virtual Machine and running things that way. Also, from what I know the Win 7 dvd has each version on it like the Vista dvd has. Although, I am not sure of this because my laptop already had Win 7 professional on it and it didn't come with the operating system disks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Orwell
Actually I was surprised when I found out that Win7 Dvd's only have the version specified on the disc. I would have thought they would have continued the Vista all-versions dvd thing but I read on an MS blog when the Win7 RC came out that they had huge piracy problems with dvd's like that so they're not doing it that way with win7Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightwalker83
Kind of a shame, but thinking about it makes sense, anyone with a Vista keygen and any vista dvd could install Ultimate without having to find an actual disc.
Damn, that is annoying but I guess they do have a point. They could access any version of the operating system regardless top the one they have the license key for version such as Ultimate. So they buy a package with Home Premium written on the box but infact endup using Ultimate. I wonder how Microsoft missed that? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha
You could install ultimate without even using a key if you never connected to microsoft. Just reset your clock every day. This causes credential problems on secure sites but other than that no big deal. As for vista keygens, they really don't exist. Microsoft's validation method required a phone home of the used key and if it wasn't an issued one it would fail. This method was in fact retrofitted into xp with a wga install. If you don't install wga on xp you can't use windows update and will probably end up a malware infected mess within a week thanks to xml holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha
The way the pirates worked was by copying oem disks with known bulk license keys and modifying them to run on any system through bios emulation. This has been fixed in an update as well, but one odd thing microsoft does is actually list the update in windows update and you don't have to download it.
it was a round-about way to get people to try out ultimate. If you entered te license key you were given, it would install the correct version, but if you didn't enter any key at all, you got a 30 to 120 day trial of ultimate. The problem was if you later entered a key other than ultimate it would force a reinstall. And 32 and 64 bit versions came on different disks in the ultimate pack. This was necessary as the boot loader was 64 bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightwalker83
Note that the versions are not incremental in feature upgrades in 7. Business leaves out some home features.
Well back to the original topic, yesterday I upgraded a friends laptop from Xp to Win7 x64 Home Premium and I installed VPC 2007 SP1 x64 and created a WinXP VM in it from their laptop XP disc and all went well. The only thing I noticed was VPC had a warning that Home Premium isn't an officially supported OS but it all runs fine.
As for Vista/Win7, I'm running Win7 Ultimate on both my computers and my Vista VM is a 32Bit Ultimate edition there so I really don't know what's missing from the other editions.
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Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha
I think it is the same for VMWare too although, I haven't checked their website to see if they have release any new versions of the software.
At last ;) ............. Thanks for the confirmation.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha
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