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Why are the world so anti-China?
I've been living here in Beiing for the last 3.5 years, and jeez ain't I fed up.
Cause of China? No way. This place is great. The people are great, funny, helpful. Yeah, of course "different". Dude, this is Asia...it's a different world.
Western News are going on and on about Tibet. What? It's ok for a country to start up with a religious goverment now??? Where's the democracy they send their own boys on a suicide mission halfway around the world. They want to let a Monk run a country as small as that, a "coutnry" without ANY natural resources, run by people that believe in a class system? Yeah dude...dont listen CNN...go read it up yourself.
For 3.5 years I've been watching this people working their @r$es off preparing for the Olympics. Dude....what a result! The most amazing show you ever witnessed (feel sorry for London!!!) And what the got to say? Oh the girl's voice was fake. Oh the ONE athlete MIGHT be under age. What aobut the other 50 golds?
Jeez. Wish the wold could get a grip and come see this country for what it really is..... IT'S GREAT!!!!!
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It's a post-cold-war propaganda that has permeated the psychic make up of western-world residents. Democracy is right, communism is Satan's handiwork. It'll take a while (decades) to wear off, but for now the norm is to view these 'aliens' as different and wrong. I'm not trying to be a geek (OK, I am), but even if you watch shows like Star Trek or Stargate, the S.O.P is to show that the humans are always right and the aliens and their way of life is always wrong... in the end, democracy or equality prevails.
It's alright for Bush to make comments on how China is being run, but it is blasphemy for China to rebuke it or comment on how the US is run. Case in point. I don't usually offer my opinion on threads where China is concerned, but you're probably the first person who I've seen here who has the same thoughts as I do - the country belongs to them, let them decide.
Also, I'm moving this to 'world events'.
Also also, you're right, the London Olympics are going to be a complete embarrassment! It all started with that 2012 logo. There was a lot of hooting and jeering when it came out, but now everyone has forgotten about it. *I* remember. *I* will not forget - it's downright disrespectful to the Olympics and even after seeing it for all this time, it still looks bad.
Also also also, I don't really like the Olympics. There's no real sports like Counter Strike, Half Life 2 speed runs or ASP.NET!
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I'm not anti-China. It's hard to know how anti or not anti anything the world really is. You would really have to be God to know. You'd have to be able to see inside the mind of every world citizen.
We're all souls born into bodies that have different appearances which grow up in different countries.
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Originally Posted by StrangerInBeijing
I've been living here in Beiing for the last 3.5 years, and jeez ain't I fed up.
Cause of China? No way. This place is great. The people are great, funny, helpful. Yeah, of course "different". Dude, this is Asia...it's a different world.
Western News are going on and on about Tibet. What? It's ok for a country to start up with a religious goverment now??? Where's the democracy they send their own boys on a suicide mission halfway around the world. They want to let a Monk run a country as small as that, a "coutnry" without ANY natural resources, run by people that believe in a class system? Yeah dude...dont listen CNN...go read it up yourself.
For 3.5 years I've been watching this people working their @r$es off preparing for the Olympics. Dude....what a result! The most amazing show you ever witnessed (feel sorry for London!!!) And what the got to say? Oh the girl's voice was fake. Oh the ONE athlete MIGHT be under age. What aobut the other 50 golds?
Jeez. Wish the wold could get a grip and come see this country for what it really is..... IT'S GREAT!!!!!
Too bad 2 million cars will be back on the streets soon after the Olympics, along with those factories firing up. I hear the environment was the best it has been in many years during the Olympics.
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I can't speak for the rest of the world but most of the anti-Chinese sentiment in America comes from the largely undereducated lower classes who rely on the same low-skill, low-wage jobs that are being shipped to Mexico & China every day.
In high school I worked in a TV repair shop back in the days before disposable TVs from China & Taiwan became cheaper than repairs. Back then everyone was lamenting how American manufacturers like Zenith and RCA were being squeezed out of the market by cheaper Japanese imports from Sony, Panasonic, etc. RCA ended up moving their entire manufacturing base to Japan and survived long enough to get bought out while Zenith continued trying to build TVs here in America and slowly faded into oblivion. Today you will be hard-pressed to find even a Japanese-made TV as pretty much every manufacturer has since moved production to Taiwan & China. I can see the day in the not-too-distant future when the same thing will happen to the automobile industry. It's already started with motorcycles. Yet I don't see this as a bad thing, as I would much rather pay $150 for a TV than $500, but my former employers at the repair shop would most likely disagree as they lost their shirts when forced to close.
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Oh the ONE athlete MIGHT be under age.
While I could'nt care less about sports where the outcome is decided by judges - especially Olympic judges - there's no way in hell any of the girls on the Chinese gymnastics team are even close to the age of 16:
http://i3.sinaimg.cn/2008/en/news/20...0813142353.jpg
When they raise the minimum age to 18 and recruit women with actual boobies I'll start paying attention to gymnastics. Until then it's just a bunch of kids on playground equipment.
Tibet: about all I know of Tibet is from what I read in the book "Lost Horizon" which was without doubt the most intolerably boring novel of all we were required to read in school. I also know that the smelly hippies in my neigborhood insist Tibet must be "free" (using whatever twisted definition of that word they choose) so therefore I can only conclude that if the hippies and liberals are for it then it must be a bad idea.
I see all kinds of "Free Tibet" bumper stickers, but I have yet to see a "Free Hong Kong" sticker. Hmmm...
Someday I would like to travel to China. Unfortuately China's railway modernization in the last decade put an end to the world's largest remaining fleet of steam locomotives which was one of the main reasons I wanted to go. Is it possible to ride a train from Europe to China?
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Originally Posted by homer13j
I can't speak for the rest of the world but most of the anti-Chinese sentiment in America comes from the largely undereducated lower classes who rely on the same low-skill, low-wage jobs that are being shipped to Mexico & China every day.
In high school I worked in a TV repair shop back in the days before disposable TVs from China & Taiwan became cheaper than repairs. Back then everyone was lamenting how American manufacturers like Zenith and RCA were being squeezed out of the market by cheaper Japanese imports from Sony, Panasonic, etc. RCA ended up moving their entire manufacturing base to Japan and survived long enough to get bought out while Zenith continued trying to build TVs here in America and slowly faded into oblivion. Today you will be hard-pressed to find even a Japanese-made TV as pretty much every manufacturer has since moved production to Taiwan & China. I can see the day in the not-too-distant future when the same thing will happen to the automobile industry. It's already started with
motorcycles. Yet I don't see this as a bad thing, as I would much rather pay $150 for a TV than $500, but my former employers at the repair shop would most likely disagree as they lost their shirts when forced to close.
While I could'nt care less about sports where the outcome is decided by judges - especially
Olympic judges - there's no way in hell any of the girls on the Chinese gymnastics team are even close to the age of 16:
http://www.vbforums.com/images/ieimages/2008/08/1.jpg
When they raise the minimum age to 18 and recruit women with actual boobies I'll start paying attention to gymnastics. Until then it's just a bunch of kids on playground equipment.
Tibet: about all I know of Tibet is from what I read in the book "Lost Horizon" which was without doubt the most intolerably boring novel of all we were required to read in school. I also know that the smelly hippies in my neigborhood insist Tibet must be "free" (using whatever twisted definition of that word they choose) so therefore I can only conclude that if the hippies and liberals are for it then it must be a bad idea.
I see all kinds of "Free Tibet" bumper stickers, but I have yet to see a "Free Hong Kong" sticker. Hmmm...
Someday I would like to travel to China. Unfortuately China's railway modernization in the last decade put an end to the world's largest remaining fleet of steam locomotives which was one of the main reasons I wanted to go. Is it possible to ride a train from Europe to China?
Honestly, these days, made in china is almost a mark of quality. I bought a pair of running shoes from Nike and it said "Made in Vietnam", doesn't look any higher quality and I'm apprehensive that it will fall apart.
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Honestly, these days, made in china is almost a mark of quality. I bought a pair of running shoes from Nike and it said "Made in Vietnam", doesn't look any higher quality and I'm apprehensive that it will fall apart.
I can tell you Levi's jeans are now pure crap since they moved production overseas (India). Much thinner material, bad seams, and they only last about 1/3rd as long. Not blaming India - I'm blaming Levi's. I don't care if they are cheaper if they suck. They lost my business forever.
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I can tell you Levi's jeans are now pure crap since they moved production overseas (India). Much thinner material, bad seams, and they only last about 1/3rd as long. Not blaming India - I'm blaming Levi's. I don't care if they are cheaper if they suck. They lost my business forever.
I bought a pair of levis online, 501's. I actually like the quality. But ... there is no zipper, instead there are freaking buttons!!! It's so inconvenient. Is that how 501's are suppose to be?
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Yes, actually.
Ugh I feel like a woman having to unbutton those jeans to go to the bathroom.
Do they make zipper jeans?
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Is it possible to ride a train from Europe to China?
Yes, actually. Trans-Siberian express. Takes 3 days, involves going to Moscow. Don't get the wrong one or you'll end up in Vladivostok instead of Beijing.
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Ugh I feel like a woman having to unbutton those jeans to go to the bathroom.
I know what you mean. I feel like a woman too, but my wife's hundreds of miles away, so I'll have to settle for a beer instead :(
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I boycotted the Olympic games this year (I watched about 3 minutes total under patriotic duress) not because of the commies - but their commie attitude (did that make sense?).
I have contempt for their contempt. The government does not respect the environment, their people, rules & regulations and all their fakery and cheating (remember the super strong swimmers at previous games) makes a mockery of the entire event. Fake fireworks, fake singers, fake spectators (rent-a-crowd), fake torch-runs done after curfew ... etc etc. So much was against the spirit of unity and peace the Chinese govt made so much of the games a farce.
That is why I didn't watch the games and that is why I'm anti-chinese.
Communists can be communists as much as Australia can be democratic but try to make a fool of the west when all eyes are watching then you lost my vote.
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If you're willing to spend around $200 on a good Italian shirt, be my guest.
Made in China these days seem better than other countries, Vietnam, India, etc... Prob cause they've had a few decades to perfect their process.
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I boycotted the Olympic games this year (I watched about 3 minutes total under patriotic duress) not because of the commies - but their commie attitude (did that make sense?).
I have contempt for their contempt. The government does not respect the environment, their people, rules & regulations and all their fakery and cheating (remember the super strong swimmers at previous games) makes a mockery of the entire event. Fake fireworks, fake singers, fake spectators (rent-a-crowd), fake torch-runs done after curfew ... etc etc. So much was against the spirit of unity and peace the Chinese govt made so much of the games a farce.
That is why I didn't watch the games and that is why I'm anti-chinese.
Communists can be communists as much as Australia can be democratic but try to make a fool of the west when all eyes are watching then you lost my vote.
Well you have been well educated by the media havent ya?
De hell with that. Rent a crowd? haha. You know how hard it was to get a ticket the last month before the opening cermony?
Commie attitude? Dude, this place is free and open as you can only imagine (kao..i been here 3.5 years coming from the most democratic country in the world!) yes..things are government controlled here, but as they see best fit for the country and the people. trying to make the country an equal oppurtunity to all...that is what communism is about. You so .... aargh, just go back to your mama's tv!
China rocks! If it where easy to change my nationality I would do it right now. I aint going back and here to stay.
Dont worry, you are not alone. Most laowai's here are bunch of losers, sitting around, smoking dope and complain how cr@ppy it is here. Cant make themselve a life in the unknown, and then blame the country. Lucky for some reason they dont run back home, but prefer to stay. You'll fit in quite well
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Well you have been well educated by the media havent ya?
De hell with that. Rent a crowd? haha. You know how hard it was to get a ticket the last month before the opening cermony?
Commie attitude? Dude, this place is free and open as you can only imagine (kao..i been here 3.5 years coming from the most democratic country in the world!) yes..things are government controlled here, but as they see best fit for the country and the people. trying to make the country an equal oppurtunity to all...that is what communism is about. You so .... aargh, just go back to your mama's tv!
China rocks! If it where easy to change my nationality I would do it right now. I aint going back and here to stay.
Dont worry, you are not alone. Most laowai's here are bunch of losers, sitting around, smoking dope and complain how cr@ppy it is here. Cant make themselve a life in the unknown, and then blame the country. Lucky for some reason they dont run back home, but prefer to stay. You'll fit in quite well
Provided you are in agreement with the Chinese government I am sure things must seem great over there. However if you don’t like the way the Chinese government restricts your speech, censors your internet, doesn’t allow you to practice your religion, or tells you how many children you should have you probably wouldn’t be too happy. Those people who are not happy can’t complain without fear of winding up in jail, so it is likely you are not going to hear many people openly complaining about the Chinese government.
Foxer is right about the “rent a crowd”. While tickets for the opening and closing ceremony were hard to come by there are certain events that just don’t draw a lot of people. In these cases China did pay people to sit in the seats. Of course you would never read that in any Chinese paper…
China is still a communist authoritative government despite its semi-embrace of capitalism. Your perceived “freedoms” can be taken away at any time by the government, so I wouldn’t get too comfortable.
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China rocks! If it where easy to change my nationality I would do it right now. I aint going back and here to stay.
Your well thought out and detailed arguement with a bit of personal attack thrown in has totally changed my opinion of China. :wave: [sarcastic]
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While china does have some issues it could do with addressing I don't think things are anywhere near as black as they're being painted in this thread. compare the state of China now to what it was in 1989 (Tienenman square) and you'll see that China has advanced hugely. Frankly, I'm quite happy with the direction it's headed and I don't think you could expect it to head there much quicker that it already is. They've still got a long way to go but they're headed there fast. I think China has the right to be justifiably insulted by the way it was portrayed by the Western media in the build up to the games and it's to their credit that they rose above the insults.
To be honest, I think the West (and the US in particular, I'm afraid) has been looking round for a bogey man ever since the USSR collapsed. Our media exagerate any criticism they can out of all proportion. The way the recent situation in Georgia was initially reported is a case in point. And don't get me started on how big a threat terrorism is being portrayed as.
And for any American to criticise China as a polluter is frankly ludicrous.
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i honestly dont care about politics and all that (dude, we where drilled when I was a kid...Communism,Religion,Apartheid, and dunno what else) so dont really care about it all. just felt the comments i see online is really unfair.
But must say...after watching "Sicko" and "Recount" (maybe it's blown out of proportion too) I really dont think especially americans should point a finger.
Anyhow....just believe me this is really not that bad place. Sorry for sarcasm and personal attacks (a weakness of mine). But if you really want to experience sth different...try china dude..really. I'm hooked.
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(kao..i been here 3.5 years coming from the most democratic country in the world!)
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China rocks! If it where easy to change my nationality I would do it right now. I aint going back and here to stay.
From the first sentence, I'm guessing you're from Sweden (often regarded as the most democratic country in the world), so it's not really suprising that you love China. If I lived in a country that charged $20 for a beer, anywhere else would be a step up too. Mind you, the scenery is nice (and I ain't talking just about the landscape ;) )
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From the first sentence, I'm guessing you're from Sweden (often regarded as the most democratic country in the world), so it's not really suprising that you love China. If I lived in a country that charged $20 for a beer, anywhere else would be a step up too. Mind you, the scenery is nice (and I ain't talking just about the landscape ;) )
$20 for a beer? You must be thinking of norway :D Its even expensive to breathe in norway.
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just felt the comments i see online is really unfair.
I was going to comment how you started this thread and then you got cranky over the responses but instead I'll suggest you tell us why you like China and what you're comparing it too.
I'm assuming you're not American but I could be wrong. What do you do in China? Are you working? Studying? Backpacking?
Why has China captivated you? The food? The economy? The "work hard" mentality? The social equality? The language? The traditions and history? The political stability? The pride of the nation?
What is the best thing about China for you and if you could change just one thing about China what would it be?
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I boycotted the Olympic games this year (I watched about 3 minutes total under patriotic duress) not because of the commies - but their commie attitude (did that make sense?).
I have contempt for their contempt. The government does not respect the environment, their people, rules & regulations and all their fakery and cheating (remember the super strong swimmers at previous games) makes a mockery of the entire event. Fake fireworks, fake singers, fake spectators (rent-a-crowd), fake torch-runs done after curfew ... etc etc. So much was against the spirit of unity and peace the Chinese govt made so much of the games a farce.
That is why I didn't watch the games and that is why I'm anti-chinese.
Communists can be communists as much as Australia can be democratic but try to make a fool of the west when all eyes are watching then you lost my vote.
Pfft, you talk about this fake stuff as if nobody else does it.
Did you know that Athens just revealed during the 2004 olympics, the orchestra wasn't really playing? It was play-syncing to a pre-recorded track played by another Orchestra.
This instance of faking is even more absurd, and their reason was that they didn't want to chance a screw-up.
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. . . especially americans should point a finger. . .
Which Americans are you speaking of: North Americans, South or Central Americans? Could it be you are speaking of African-Americans or Mexican-Americans??
Face it, The United States and probably the UK are probably the only countries keeping China and Russia in check and preventing their ultimate goal of global domination. Remember WWII boys and girls, I am quite sure that you don't want to go throught that again.
God help us if Barry Obama gets elected, his administration will make Neville Chamberlain's administration look string on defense!!!
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Which Americans are you speaking of: North Americans, South or Central Americans? Could it be you are speaking of African-Americans or Mexican-Americans??
Face it, The United States and probably the UK are probably the only countries keeping China and Russia in check and preventing their ultimate goal of global domination. Remember WWII boys and girls, I am quite sure that you don't want to go throught that again.
God help us if Barry Obama gets elected, his administration will make
Neville Chamberlain's administration look string on defense!!!
Why do China need to be checked for global domination? Cause the US got it and cant afford too lose it?
Yes, we dont forget the past world wars. Great Job in Hiroshima and Nagasaki mate.
Strange how the only country that ever used nuclear weapons for mass destruction can go on and on about it.
Nevermind......I'm off for another great day here in China. Festive time,happy ppl in street, no worries....all just one big happy bunch of real people.
ps: You should get out of your country and go live among the "rest" of the world.....maybe that would open your eyes on how the rest of the world see you guys. Sorry to say....a joke as we never seen. Haha. But yeah, maybe Osama...oh sorry...*******? no no no...Obama will change the picture.
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Mmmm. Funny, but I could have sworn that it was Chamberlain who ultimately declared war on Germany..... more than 2 years before the US saw fit to try to stop Germany.... oh, but that's right, you only got the abridged version of history didn't you.... :ehh:
...and who is this Barry person, is this Obama brother or something, is it some hugely witty joke that I'm just not privy too?
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Which Americans are you speaking of: North Americans, South or Central Americans? Could it be you are speaking of African-Americans or Mexican-Americans??
I have absolutely no idea what point you were trying to make with this question.
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Face it, The United States and probably the UK are probably the only countries keeping China and Russia in check and preventing their ultimate goal of global domination. Remember WWII boys and girls, I am quite sure that you don't want to go throught that again.
While I do think recent Russian activities (namely Georgia) could be interpreted as a indicating a goal of global domination (though I personally think that interpretation is simplistic and ignores the mindset of a Russia that is in fear of being surrounded by military alliance, NATO, which, formerly an enemy, Russia had subsequently applied to join and been refused and which has undertaken unsanctioned military actions in regions Russia viewed as part it's own political sphere) I can't think of a single recent Chinese action that would indicate such a goal. There is some dispute about a few of the territories they occupy but those occupations are far from recent and you'd have to really stretch it to find a trend towards a global domination. You haven't, perhaps, been sleeping for the last two decades, have you? You are aware that the cold war is over... we won.
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his administration will make Neville Chamberlain's administration look string on defense!!!
As SurfDemon pointed out, it was the Chamberlain administration that took us to war in 39. It was also the Chamberlain administration that ramped up military production from about 37 onwards in an admittedly failed attempt to outstrip Germany's. Indeed, when the panzers rolled in to France in 40 they were outnumbered by the French forces alone, let alone the combined allied force. French forces were also considerably more modern that Germany's, they certainly had far better tanks. Germany's success was due to superior tactics and the undeniable element of surprise achieved by attacking through an area (the Ardennes) which had previously been considered impassable to tanks and therefore left undefended. Going to war 2 or 3 years earlier would not have effected this outcome one jot, I'm afraid. Indeed, although Britains increased production may not have matched Germany's, that of the combined allies to be did outstrip that of the axis to be and an early war might well have resulted in an allied defeat.
There is a common misconception that Chamberlain was trying to buy peace. Government diplomatic papers of the time indicate that he was more concerned with buying time, in exactly the way that Roosevelt's administration did.
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Which Americans are you speaking of: North Americans, South or Central Americans? Could it be you are speaking of African-Americans or Mexican-Americans??
Face it, The United States and probably the UK are probably the only countries keeping China and Russia in check and preventing their ultimate goal of global domination. Remember WWII boys and girls, I am quite sure that you don't want to go throught that again.
God help us if Barry Obama gets elected, his administration will make
Neville Chamberlain's administration look string on defense!!!
Sarah Palin's plan:
"Start World War III"
"Welcome back Jesus"
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Why are the world so anti-China?
just aks an tibetan... or similar oppresed people...
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because we do not like facism
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just aks an tibetan... or similar oppresed people...
And suppose I were to ask a Palestinian why the world is so anti-Israel. Or an Iraqi why the world's so anti US. Or a Georgian why the world's so anti Russian or an Ossetian why the world's so anti Georgian. Do you not think they might give a similar answer.
I personally don't agree with the Chinese occupation of Tibet but you can hardly single it out as a unique situation in the world.
