Did you became vb programmer after doing some professional course or on your own?
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Did you became vb programmer after doing some professional course or on your own?
I'm moving this to general developer.
Most people on this forum program at home and at work hence most of them are here in there free time. You may get a biased result.
I also assume that while most of us have become programmers through self teaching (Books/Online) many of us will have at some point through our companies attended courses
Hope that helps
By my own, companies too cheap to pay for the training.
I also tend to learn faster through self-learning.
Bingo. The only training classes in VB that I've ever had were in VB3 back in the early '90sQuote:
Originally Posted by tommygrayson
I'm a little better I got VB4 in the mid 90s
You may want to add few other options like
- Both (this would combine the first two that already on the poll)
- College
- All of the above <<< this would apply to me
No all of them - vast majority are pretty smart about this. Some companies cannot even survive without training their personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygrayson
If they train you regardless of what it is they basically invest in you and business as a whole thing.
The chance that you may leave maybe high but there is always a risk when it comes to investement.
:mad: When I was in college, computer classes didn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
They probably existed but in selected schools only.
75% self-taught
5% college/schooling training
20% Military training
And even then, some of the military trainign was - here's the disks, there's your computer, and there's your desk. And that was my introduction to VB3.
-tg
Its shows that many of you are exper. programmers. Sometimes when high-reputed members like you all give codes it seems difficult for me to understand. As i hardly have 1 yr exp. I have also learned by my own through source codes and only one book VB BLACK BOOK 6.0.
At my college back in the 70's we didn't have enough classes for a full CS major, only a minor under the math department. I took one class to get a math elective, "Introduction to Computer Programming", where they taught BASIC over a teletype or CRT terminal connection to a CDC Cyber at a state university. It was a lot more fun than the calculus and statistics classes I took for my other core hours. They also offered 2 classes in Fortran, 2 in COBOL, and one in 'Advanced Systems Analysis'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hack
As for VB, I learned it on my own. I bought my own copy of VB1 and started learning it on my own although my job then was DOS based QuickBasic, MASM and C.
True. Not all. But there are only a few companies who did train and the fewer only train what is good for your career which is programming.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
Most of the few mentioned above is more on work ethics and management skills. They would rather give you a MINERVA rather than a MCP training.
Some say "hell yeah" to those offer but I would rather say "Not my style."
I really have no idea what you just said... :confused: :)
I've worked in a different industries and different (in terms of size) companies - each one of them did offer solid professional training program regardless of what it is (management, computer programming, networking, secretaries, etc, etc...).
Really? Most of the companies I have worked for did not offer any training programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
It's good you always land in companies who "offer solid professional and career related training programs" but for the rest of us here did not had the leisure of being offered at all and that's final.
I disagree, I've been offered lots of differant courses Java/.Net/C++ i've turned some down due to time constraints.
On what part of the phrase you disagree on? Maybe I can correct myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pino
We are not on the same Location anyway. As you can see I am nowhere near your place.
In our "neighborhood" solid training courses are not given any importance due to the following reasons:
1. We are just a bunch of support group. We are not on the main operations frontline.
2. The main product line is not in Information Technology. I also work for a manufacturing firm.
3. My manager is just too cheap and disrespectful and says it is just a waste of money to train people.
Most companies I've worked for usually paid lip service to training by spouting out platitudes about it but when it came to actually scheduling training or them paying for it, well, that was a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygrayson
I don't know what part of the world you're from but in my town it's the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygrayson
Of course, they have budgets and far not everybody may offer the same amount of training but again in my town if company can benefit from investing in you few thousand bucks they won't hesitate.
Most of the businesses arround here are budgeting for employeel's training about a year in advance.
Most of courses cost about $500 a day and with corporate discounts it would be even less. The length of the course may vary between 2 and 5 days.
If you take on average 2 training courses per year... well, you do the math.
And btw, some companies will pay your partial college tuition if your major is directly related to what you do.
Maybe you want to move, eh? :)
It's time for you to change the job indeed. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygrayson
The company I'm currently doing onsite work for has decided to develop their own inhouse training program.Quote:
Originally Posted by bgmacaw
So, instead of a week long authorized Microsoft class in, say, Access, you go to a two day class taught by another employee that has been using Access for a couple of years.
I guess it is better than nothing. Most of the employees that I know that have been through this pretty much consider it a two day vacation without having to spend vacation days.
Indeed, but not at the moment. I have not lasted 6 months yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
I see, well next time don't hesitate to ask if they offere any training at all.
Good luck tommy.
I already did that. Can't you see my earlier post?Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
:confused:
<I'm beginning to wonder the meaning of the sentence you posted if I actually got it.>
I meant to say "if you are on the job market <rest of the frase goes here>" :)
Okay Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoBull
You know you gave me a good idea.
2 Months from now. I am going to open a thread and ask you guys a question about international companies who are offering "solid training courses with certifications" who are not freeze hiring or cost cutting.
Cool! :thumb:
Those last bunch of posts were really unreadable...
One of my clients offered to pay for an on-line class on .Net 3 years ago for me. I had only done VB6 up to that point and only for a couple of years...
I took the class - 50% of it was useless as I would have expected.
40% of it was good information - but I could have gotten it in help files when I needed to get it anyway.
10% of it was net-new information that helped me jump into .Net more quickly.
But back to the original question - I started coding prior to 1980 and all on my own. I was lucky my HS has main-frame type computers that the students could program against.