How do you guys feel about Java as a whole?

Ive taken an AP course for the past year, learned what I guess are the basics of Java. Maybe a little more, I dont know how one defines but whatever. For me, I have been wondering was this language even worth my time? It seems the only things being built is mobile apps, and not much else. I also feel some aspects of the language are rather peculiar, and some I just dont think really make much sense (GUI anyone?)...

I'm just wondering other peoples opinions. Feel free to tear me apart, I'm sure it will happen anyways.

You don't learn anything useful in ap computer science. The real power of java is JSP/servlets (backend stuff). That my friend, is where java beats all others.

Java GUI is useless in my opinion, except for applets.

Java is great for applets as System_Error mentioned :) But i believe it has a lot more to offer to :)

I share |2eM!x's opinion on java, I have attempted to learn it but I gave up as I could do things in half the time in any other language. The fact that it does not support DirectX has nothing to do with it :lol:

hmmm,
1- Applets are insecure and a little bit complicated to use
2- Servlets aren't the only power of java
3- GUI!!!!!!!!! have you used the "GroupLayout" for designing
4- Open source!! even the javac now
5- No promises but whatever microsoft is thinking about for the next .NET is already in java (Rhino)
6- JSF!!
7- Java WebStart (beats the hell out of IIS)
8- Class notations for better documentation

Should I go on?

There is no doubt it does not match Vb or C++.

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Originally Posted by Hell-Lord

There is no doubt it does not match Vb or C++.

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VB !?
please lookup the definition of BASIC language on google or wikipedia.

I know the definition of BASIC i done alot of research into it a while back for a 'HUGE' assignment i had to do on it. And what exactly are you getting at?

Java is great for web services. Although .net has the same standards to offer, Java still beat the hell out of .Net.

But if you're developing an app esp RAD then use other language and that what's separates it from other language.

I think ComputerJy was trying to make a subtle insult..... Beginners All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code :p

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Originally Posted by singularis

I think ComputerJy was trying to make a subtle insult..... Beginners All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code :p

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Well... I didn't mean it to be an insult :P

for a future job, i have to learn C++ and JAVA with CORBA technology. So i think it might be worth it.

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Originally Posted by Hell-Lord

There is no doubt it does not match Vb or C++.

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Then you obviously don't know the purpose of Java and the other 2 languages you mentioned.

Java is a bad technology...
It's so bad that Microsoft tried to copy it not only once but twice (J++ & J#)
And no, it's not for developers who are familiar with Java and trying to move to Microsoft products, it's just a middle ground for Microsoft to test whether the stolen technology is well-translated into Microsoft's local

could you guys explain why java have big part of market comparing to vb6 and c++? I hear every day that java is big hit on the job market.

Strangely. Majority of applications and software that i download or install i feel they made by either vb or c++ since they have setup.exe or they lunch by double clicking but mybe this is incorrect assumption. I be happy if java experts put light one these issues.Thanks

There are tools and utilities that allow you to compile your java JAR files into machine coded executable files that are platform dependant.
JBuilder has that tool, I don't know if anybody offers it for free.

Another thing.
J2EE (JEE now) is the best technology I've tried for web based applications

I think for truly real-time applications, where system resources are stretched and must be managed efficiently, Java is grossly sub-par to a C or C++. But for web-based development or non-real time applications Java is incredibly useful, and should be taken advantage of...

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Originally Posted by ComputerJy

hmmm,
1- Applets are insecure and a little bit complicated to use
2- Servlets aren't the only power of java
3- GUI!!!!!!!!! have you used the "GroupLayout" for designing
4- Open source!! even the javac now
5- No promises but whatever microsoft is thinking about for the next .NET is already in java (Rhino)
6- JSF!!
7- Java WebStart (beats the hell out of IIS)
8- Class notations for better documentation

Should I go on?

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Nice thought pal. And also J2EE is the most powerful one if you can learn, I so you are mentioned this another post.

Thanks.