Amnesty international have revealed that nearly 4000 people were executed in 2004, the highest number for ten years.
What are peoples views on this.
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Amnesty international have revealed that nearly 4000 people were executed in 2004, the highest number for ten years.
What are peoples views on this.
It sounds to me like a group of people attempting to force their ideas onto countries.
I dont really agree with executions but I dont beleive in outsiders choosing a countries policies. If it was cruelty and assistance was requested by the people then yes someone should step in. Nobody asked for their opinions and they certainly dont want the views of people who dont give a monkeys a*** about what crimes have been committed. :afrog:
People in need of amnesty internationals help dont usually have a chance to ask for it.
Why are you so negative about a group that is trying to stop human rights violations?
With regard to what? That there were more "bad" (in quotes) people around in 2004, or that so many people have been executed?Quote:
Originally Posted by davebat
whichever came to mind first
The Human Rights Act is the worst piece of law written in the last 100 years. It has effectively stopped free speech and allows the minority to control the majority whereas it was intended to give them the same rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by davebat
Think of it this way....although I am not racist in any way if I refer to another person as "Black" I am being derogatory. If they refer to me as "White" that's fine!?! :ehh:
How exactly are they different!?!?!
As Bodwad says, these people should stop trying to push their ideals onto me and instead concentrate on actually DOING something about it. If I wish to support them I will, it is my choice (such is the way of democracy).
Amnesty international does some good work but I get fed up with these organisations that try to force change because of their ideals. Like I say I dont really support the death penalty but in some countries they do. Its here that amnesty international starts putting the pressure on to have their own way in the name of democracy. There are people out there who do some sick things and will be in prison all their lives under this amnesty international idealism. Maybe they dont want to be? Keeping someone locked up for their whole lives might be considered more cruel than killing them :cry:
1. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
The human rights act has nothing to do with "politically correct" views. It makes no distinction between race, as stated above. And Whether or not its derogatory to call a person black would depend upon the individual, if he/she feels insulted then I would guess its derogatory, same applies for you being called white..
Beliefs such as stopping violence towards women and putting an end to the recruitment and kipnapping of young children to fight in wars. How dare they.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodwadUK
Woooot!! Nearly there, keep at it!Quote:
Originally Posted by davebat
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Originally Posted by davebat
I agree, the kids should be forced to work in the munitions factories too.
This thread was about executions wasnt it? :afrog:
I dont know throwing his own thread off center :lol:
Lets face it if the system isnt structured well enough to start with then stopping executions could be disasterous. Loss of faith in a community can cause revolts etc. Yes it shouldnt happen these days but it could. If you have a large majority who actually feel isolated by the law you get more trouble than you had before. :)
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Originally Posted by davebat
That was what it was intended for yes, but not what it is actually used for. It is now used for the PC brigade to preach that their human rights have been abused because of very trivial things. I mean they are using the human rights act to argue that imprisonment is against their human rights!!! THEY ARE CRIMINALS!
Okay, so if referring to someone as black is derogatory then how am i supposed to refer to their ethnicity?
African American? They are neither African or American and are insulted
I mean c'mon! These people gotta lighten up and stop taking offence by such things. An American refers to me as English eventhough I am Welsh? So I preach that my human rights have been abused and call the police? No, I simply laugh and explain the error and should they wish to keep using it I laugh again and ignore it.
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Sounds familiar doesn't it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BodwadUK
I dont know what you mean.
I miss Honeybee he should be all over the American figures by now :lol:
You effectively described Brtitain at the moment :D :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by BodwadUK
I am honeybee.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodwadUK
Valleysboy, I think you'll find very few black people who would be offended if you described them as black. And if like you say, you are not racist at all then you would never need to describe someones ethnicity.
I think a good start to better race relations would be to understand that everyone is naturally suspicious of someone who is different to them. Its just human nature.
Perhaps, but not something I would want to test. May not like the result :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by davebat
Race relations will never be resolved. What I have noticed however is that the most tolerant are often the atheists and agnostics (of which I am one). So much for the intolerance of religious teachings eh ;)
I thought you were accusing me of thread subject changing :lol:
Yes Britain was the place I had in mind :afrog:
The problem comes that because a small minority (Who just want to get money by suing) would try and sue for simple innocent statements and thus it puts any statement out of use for the whole lot. This restricts alot of what people can say innocently.
People also dont trust the justice system to see it in that way. It always seems to support the alleged victim no matter what the situation. How can A system be based like this without an eventual revolt when the majority of law abiding citizens feel isolated and set upon by the minority that this so called law is suppost to protect them from :thumb:
It seems drastic now but with this current Human rights crap going as it is, it wont be long until people get fed up. Here in the UK there was alot of anger over the law not being changed to allow someone to defend their home without prosecution. I think it has calmed down because they slightly stretched (Without admitting it) their own rules to allow proper defence of a property and person :)
thats true atheists do seem more sensible about these things. Race relations can be resolved, I mean Britian is still a fairly racist place even with its huge diversity, but things do seem to be getting better.
Hurray for capital punishment,
The UK is tooooooo lax on crimminals...
Im confident i can say what i like without fear of being sued. And the only reason the British justice appears the way it does is because papers like us to think like that. All we hear about is the ethnic minorities abusing the human rights act because a lot of the big papers are seriously right wing, and dont like immigrants or gypsies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BodwadUK
Im sure if newspapers printed more positive stories then peoples views about britain would change pretty quickly.
You should stick to reading the daily sport.
Too right. The prisons are more like hotels now. :ehh:
How many times have you been inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleysboy1978
I KNOW .....they did a documentry about prisons a while ago...
They have pool tables, library(which i agree should be in there), gym, sky tv!!, free food, free accomodation.
and THEY are the people who have broken the law, meanwhile the rest of us get increasing council tax, income tax, etc etc etc
how would you describe an ideal prison?
The sheer fact that we are in this forum to do something constructive shows that we are not "priviledged" enough to enjoy those kind of luxuries for freeQuote:
Originally Posted by davebat
Lol werent they thinking or looking into putting sky in prisons. I dont even have sky :rolleyes:
Prisons should smell bad just to stay in with people ideas. Criminals dont fear prison or the Police anymore, namely because everything is very cushy for them. Nice soft beds and lots of equal minded friends with full sports facilities and tv to suit their every whim. Oh the agony of prison.
most people end up in prison for theft because they cant be bothered to work so putting them in prison and giving them food and a bed for free is bound to appeal to them :lol:
Have you ever heard of Changi prison in singapore....
all prisons should be like that.
Prisoners actually control their criminal activities from inside the prison, it is crazy, coz they cannot get "caught" coz they are already in prison. It is an absolute joke. We watch one political party after another coming in promising tougher measures on crime, but they end up being more lenient. All due to "Do-Gooders" we have increasingly in the UK.
Basic with work labour every day. It will keep them entertained and also help the society they seem so desperate to damage. It will also teach them new skills for when they leave.
Councils have loads of repairs and cleaning up to do. Loads of buildings need a new coat of paint etc. They need cheap labour and the inmates could use these skills at a later date when they are let free. Both benefit so lets get them working properly without making it all kushy. Make them pay their way through the establishment :)
Like the prison shown in The Shawshank Redemption, THAT was a prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by davebat
Apparently many criminals simply re-offend so they can go back into a prison because they get free lodge, free food, free digital tv, free pool etc
It's just I thought the point of a prison was to stop criminals re-offending...not rewarding them with free food and lodge :ehh:
I agree totally...
but what can we do...
perhaps someone can write a website to encourage tougher laws?
[edited because that link is to a kinky sex site]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I just posted a dirty link without knowing it :afrog:
It had something to do with hell and burning in it :afrog:
I think King Bodwad's crown is slipping ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BodwadUK
It would probably give Marty a heart attack and Jamie some ideas :lol: :lol: :afrog:
Racism and denial of human rights will always be around while humanity maintains the concept of lesser or greater people. Considering terrorists and criminals as less than (or worse than, if you will) us equates to the same thing as white land owners viewing their African slaves as less than them. Those who see themselves as greater will always have a compelling argument why the lesser human is so, a fact which I'm sure will be compellingly demonstrated when people jump on this post and ask me whether or not a paedophile is worse than me or not. My answer would be no. A paedophile is not less of a human being than me, he is no more or less worthy of the rights I posess. He is guilty of an act we have defined as criminal. For committing this crime, it is not sufficient to lock him up, out of the way of the collective conciousness. If we want to define things as illegal, we should be prepared to implement systems to help those guilty persons to rehabilitate.
I'm pretty sure this will be an unpopular position to take, but I'm willing to discuss it further with any who are interested.
So what if it's unpopular, we are here to discuss such things :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSurfer
As for rehabilitation, some are beyond help. Look at Harold Shipman who killed nigh on 300 people. First time offenders should be helped if the crime is not severe (such as Murder (Homicide to you Yanks)), but if it is severe then they should get life imprisonment so what is the point of them rehabilitating? They should stay in prison for life
The point of prisons is not to punish, but to prevent crime.
If making prisons cushy makes people commit crimes, prisons should be worse. Keep making them worse until people start to protest (more crime), then back up a bit and stay put. Set up a spam filter to send all emails with "prison" in the subject to the new guy.
I agree with certain aspects of your post, that people should have the help to turn over a new leaf.
However, what i do not agree is that they should not be treated like hotel-paying guest. They should be made to earn the amount they cost to be put there. So the punishment is quite real, but it will be useful as they have to get used to working. The current prison system does not make the prisoners work for a penny. Instead, money is thrown into a bottomless pit of mod-cons for them. In terms of rights, a murder/criminal has the same rights as everyone else until the point when he/she goes against society. Rights is a medium for which we express our desire for a idealist society.
A criminal should have access (and i stress the word access) to education and self improvement, but it should NOT be automatically given to them. For example, if they want to do a degree, they will have to work so many hours a week for example, but they should not be spoonfed.
I went through univerisity a VERY VERY poor student, i did not waste masses of money drinking/drugs/smoking. I worked all weekends to pay for my fees. Why o why should someone who has broken the law be given something which i have strived so hard to achieve??
Strange world.
Am i the new guy? What do you mean??? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by alkatran