Minoritys and special treatment

This topic cause's riots, and always will. First I must point out I'm as white as a cracker and I have absolutely no problem with anyone of any color or any nationality, in fact I am interested in people from other backgrounds.

I am not sure if this touches anyone else but remember the 90's...all minorities got beat on and prosecuted almost indefinetly by the police all the time (especially blacks in US and natives in Canada). The 90's in my opinion also proved the end to racism. My generation especially (i'm 20) the majority of us are in no way racist although of course there is always someone. The only racism I see lately is when you are argueing with someone of a different race and they assume you are argueing with them because they are of a different race, which is terrible; Assume I call a native who is holding onto crack in his hand a crack head he may say the only reason I say that is cause he's native. Well no he's obviously a crack head just like all the white people around here, he is no different and requires no special treatment.

Well right now where I live we just had a case of two cops taking a drunk native and dropping him off a few kilometres from his home; the native froze to death...the two cops were in jail for awhile and of course lost their jobs. This case caused a huge surge of natives saying the cops are racists. So a native CONFESSES to killing a women the other day but the judge threw out the confession because he says "it was obtained inappropriately, the cops told him to confess and show some remorse." The lawers then pushed to have the case dropped and bam a killer is let loose. Another case in a town over where a native killed a women; 1 witness to the crime and she was found dead in a house fire (arsen) just a few days ago; they have all the proof in the world but the judges won't hear the case, they won't take it trial they say there is not enough evidence....I know why--the judges are scared!!!

In Canada a judge is appointed for life and loose's his privilage to vote (for obviouse political reasons)...So the judges here have no reason to fear being bias or racist; they just simply aren't...They are scared, anyone trying to arrest or prosecute a minority in this area of Canada seems to loose their job, family, respect and is immediatly labelled racist.

In any of those above case's, if the guy was white there would have been no debate, no calls of racism it would have simply been another white scum killing his woman. Well in my opinion NO ONE is different we are ALL EQUAL and anyone of any race should be tried EQUALLY but the fear of being bias or racist towards minorities have actually caused the minorities to achieve a level above any non-minority. In case of letting the killer go cause his confession was 'ill gotten', every native who could get their face on TV said "PUT HIM AWAY FOREVER".... So I ask anyone who wishes to reply, how is that a minority group previously disrespected and prosecuted unfairly can rise up and turn the unfair prosectution around to cheat the legal system, even though the people of the same race agree with everyone else.



Anyone notice this unbalanced justice where they live? Care to she any examples?


On another un-related note a women in Saskatoon on Canada Day earlier this year was drunk driving, got into an accident, killed 4 people in her car and a mom and a son in the other car...She was the only survivor and only got 10 years (5 years chance of parole, and in Canada parole is almost guaranteed)...I aint sure what race she is and I don't care, she should be in jail FOREVER.

Yes, A cop here pulled a person of african descent over. The driver took off and the cop was snagged by the car and pulled @ around 35 mph for a few miles and the driver still refused to stop. The cop pointed his glock in the car and blew the guy away. The NAACP here had a freaking fit siting a racial killing and the officer was suspended for 6 months without pay. :confused:

I often feel that i have the right to speak my mind when it comes issues of race because of where i live and the people i work with and have worked with in the past. I live in close proximity to New York City and i am pretty much the only white person at my job. The rest are either cuban, mexican, or some other latin mix. Here's how i see it.

In an effort by the NAACP to achieve any type of equality we are now faced with inequality. Minorities are now as skilled as ever as how to suck every last drop from the system. Ive seen it happening for years
at schools ive attended. Does it do them any good some yes some no. In one tech school i attended i made a bet with my friend to see how many people would graduate out of the total number and also how many minorities would do the same. Out of a class of fifty two over a sixteen month period ten graduated. Fifteen minorities included in that fifty two failed to graduate. Now i really don't care but when the gov gives them money to attend school and they default on their student loans you know who pays. You and i.

Racial profiling happens for a reason. If a person gets pulled over by the law and harassed on a daily basis then thats becasue of perception. If one does not want to be perceived a certain way they one must act different or attempt to act different both of which the black community has miserably failed to do in every aspect. Sports, music, and in daily life. Hopefully more will people will start listening to Bill Cosby and get their act togther.

I to believe they should listen to Cosby, I myself was watching him a few weeks back doing a live 'lecture' to black families telling them to smarten up.

I believe what is boils down to is that everyone must achieve an agreement that there is NO difference between any of us now; we are all americanised, to the extreme. We follow their musics, their ideals, we get pummelled with american media and ways; crimes and achievements alike. Blacks suck at the tit of the social net and so do Whites. The only difference now is that we made it easier for Minorities to do so.

Numbers don't lie...The article we got the other day showed statics proving that the number of indians (about 500,000 in Canada) on welfare in Canada are more than total number of people in canada (about 30,000,000 total pop) on welfare.

I have an uncle who is a supreme court judge in another country (not Australia, Canada or USA).

He is the most logical thinker I've ever met. More so than any IT guru I've worked with.

For this guy, issues of law are black or white, except where the law leaves room for grey. He is often in a real quandary when the laws aren't clear to guide him. He doesn't let personal feelings, politics, race or religion influence a verdict. If the law says something, right or wrong - that's what he works with.

Within reason, he does let his personal opinion influence any sentence he hands down. Within reason. And that's usually influence by compassion and remorse more than anything else.

I'm sure politics and corruption influence many judges around the world, but for the only judge I know - he behaves just as I would expect him to, with integrity.

In this world of political correctness the Minority will rule the Majority

Very well point both of you.

In Canada we elect judges and the only way they can loose their position is if they make a 'horendous' judgement completly out of a line. Canada's Judge's cannot vote as to keep them as non-political as possible. They get a huge retirement fund regardless of how they conduct themselves. So Canadian judges are never quick to jump the gun of public demand.

Americans elect their judges every 4 years (i believe). So in America the judges tend to do what the mass wants which in most case's is the just cause but not all. So an American judge is of course set to bias.

These two above systems create rather the same problem on opposites sides of the spectrum. In Canada guilty men are let free to often, in America innocent men are often found guilty because or punished more due to the plee's of the public and the need to get revoted. So either way a wrong is being done.

I am not sure at all how other countries deal their judges out, I do not know if other countries in the world suffer the same problem. But I must agree with this:
Valleysboy1978:
"In this world of political correctness the Minority will rule the Majority."

In the US, cops have the discretionary power to let anybody go, unless they are committing a 'felony' (punishable by over a year in jail). But, cops can't do their job without writing tickets. This is a *BIG* problem. It's not like Mayberry, where Andy Taylor was sheriff.

Around here, they are held by a quota system, and their bosses are held to 'the numbers' which are supposed to keep getting 'better'.

The Constitution allows 'members' to spend money 'fighting crime.' If crime were to disappear, there would be no money doled out to fight crime. It's a vicious circle, and as long as the police want to get money to fight crime, there has to be crime.

Quite the paradox.

Quite a paradox indeed....Ask a robot to solve this problem and he'll explode.

Works the same here in Canada...Quota system...but I won't complain to much about that Quota system, it pays for alot of more than the police (at least around here)...But it does press the cops to meet their quota, if a cop meets his quota he is then entitled to a raise or a promotion. Of course the quotas are outgrageously but it is like working for commission; you push for your sale. As a cop you push for crime to fight crime to earn money to fight more crime.

It is like the economy circle, if you take out 'demand' we get a recession and eventually a depression. If you take away crime then we have no money funding cops, then we'll get tons of crime so we'll fund the cops until the crime is gone.

I honestly don't think there's any type of quota system in the US. As far as "write x number of tickets this month". That's a myth and you'd be hard pressed to prove it's not. However, it certainly does affect a cities revenue it if they don't write tickets. There are certain small towns around here, as everywhere I'd assume, that are known as speed traps just so they can increase the cities revenue.

As for the racism bit, I don't think I know anyone that isn't racist to some degree.

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Originally Posted by demotivater

I honestly don't think there's any type of quota system in the US. As far as "write x number of tickets this month". That's a myth and you'd be hard pressed to prove it's not. However, it certainly does affect a cities revenue it if they don't write tickets. There are certain small towns around here, as everywhere I'd assume, that are known as speed traps just so they can increase the cities revenue.

As for the racism bit, I don't think I know anyone that isn't racist to some degree.

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There are no "offical quotas" for poliece departments. Unless you count the required hiring of minorities over white males. Same quotas in the fire departments as well.

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Originally Posted by MasterBlaster

There are no "offical quotas" for poliece departments. Unless you count the required hiring of minorities over white males. Same quotas in the fire departments as well.

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I know all about that. I was told that "off the record" by a high ranking police official (family friend) when I applied. Had the 2nd highest score group of all applicants. He said I'd never get in that session since they weren't hiring any whites. He was right.

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Originally Posted by demotivater

I know all about that. I was told that "off the record" by a high ranking police official (family friend) when I applied. Had the 2nd highest score group of all applicants. He said I'd never get in that session since they weren't hiring any whites. He was right.

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Same thing happened to me with the fire department. Only I tied for first out of 250 with a minority and we both had the bonus points for prior military service. the minority guy got it. He was the only minority who passed the CST. Oh well, at least he was well qualified for the job. Problem is, it's hard to find enough minorities dumb enough to run into burning buildings to fill the EOE slots.