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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe...ash/index.html
Hope this is not a support act for a bigger gig.Quote:
Interfax quoted a Russian security source who said the Tu-154 transmitted a signal indicating a hijacking was under way before the plane crashed.
Nuclear war is coming.
A support act might not be the best way to describe the deaths of 94 people.
I was speaking metaphorically. :rolleyes:
Probably chechen(sp?) rebels. The only similarity is that its planes. No crashes on building like last time.
We cant assume every plane Hijack is gonna end in 2000+ dead
Feel sorry for those that were on the planes
RIP :cry:
Or possibly contaminated fuel?
or surface-to-air missile?
Or interdimensional space vampires.
:eek:
cnn must have missed that one. :D
Who knows.
They will find out :)
Timing seems spot on to be surface to air missiles. Planes never leave on time :)
What about the hijack alarm that was set off? If it was a missile they wouldn't have known until it was too late.Quote:
Originally posted by BodwadUK
Who knows.
They will find out :)
Timing seems spot on to be surface to air missiles. Planes never leave on time :)
Radars pick up missiles :)
The alarm was a generals distress according to an officer in Russia not neccassarily a hijack :)
Terrorists as reported today. Muslim militants claimed responsibility and traces of explosives have been found.
Notice how the media always say what religion the militants subscribe to? That sort of thing gives muslims in general a bad image.
If it had been a bunch of athiests I reckon they wouldn't have said "Athiestic Militants" (The Mirror certainly wouldn't, I doubt they could spell it).
Because these militants are acting on a radical version of their faith. To kill all the infidels that dont subscribe.
Therefore the religion is an important factor.
If it was radical Catholics killing people because they used a condom, then they would be considered Catholic militants.
They would just call you a nutter :lol:
The Sun would probably say something like 'Look at the boobs on that bomber' :lol:
They like getting peoples attention. The best time is when a war is on. So why not raise tensions until it overflows. :mad:
Muslims? I'm shocked!
I do not agree that the religous 'cause' for an action is relevant.
What is important is that if someone has committed a crime - then they have committed a crime; nothing more, nothing less.
It may well be that under some analysis we can see that a group of people from a given group are perpetuated certain crimes; but it is hardly responsible to broadcast that; especially on the basis that human beings love to find patterns . . . .
Grouping large denominations of people by action is irrelevant and serves no-one.
'Nuff said.
They arent grouping large denominations of people. They said Militant Muslims. Or Muslim extremists. They didny say it was just Muslims. The religion is relevant because they are acting on a radical version of their religion.
They constantly talk about the faithless infidels, and praise god for giving them the opportunity to kill people and you want me to believe that religion isnt relevant here?
religion = sUx0rS,
Holy wars = mabye
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They arent grouping large denominations of people. They said Militant Muslims. Or Muslim extremists. They didny say it was just Muslims. The religion is relevant because they are acting on a radical version of their religion.
But if I followed the 'Union of bug slayers' and talked about the slaying of bug lovers would you take any notice?
I doubt it! Me and my fellow bug-slayers would be ridiculed because of the nature of our beliefs. It becomes irrelvant that I believe that all bugs should be slayed - I would be compelled to admit culpability for my crimes.
Why is 'Militant' Islam any different? Why is it that most commentators omit 'Militant'?
Why is it that the religion is important at all? I could reinterpret Lord Of the Rings if you wish and twist and turn it so that I could justify blowing up the Houses Of Parliament? Does this mean JRR Tolkient is to blame?
It seems dodgy, ill-thought out, and damn-right bigoted to me.
I dont know how to make it any more clear. When a group is acting on their religions and doing everything in the name of their religion, then its relevant. I dont know how you possibly cant see that.
THEY are the ones calling this a holy war. Not CNN, not the US.
You are twisting the issue. What does the writer have to with it? Who is to blame is you. The militant group that formed a religion around that book.Quote:
Why is it that the religion is important at all? I could reinterpret Lord Of the Rings if you wish and twist and turn it so that I could justify blowing up the Houses Of Parliament? Does this mean JRR Tolkient is to blame?
I'm sorry I do not see it.
You said I was twisting the issue. But surely this is what the 'Militants' are doing with religion.
I don't see your point. I can't accept that you believe that a religion is responsible, and not the individual who is doing the twisting.
Actually I guess (especially in the world we live in) that I should accept that you believe these things.
NO. I didnt say religion is reponsible did I? I said that their religion is relevant because that is what THEY are acting on. They are the ones spreading on their web sites about a holy war, about we are faithless infidels and they are acting for god.
Im not going to argue this any more. Its clear as day from the mouths of people responsible.
Media in general aren't known for their subtlety of language. Certainly not the gutter press.
I usually make the mental conversion: if they say "muslim terrorists", I translate that to "terrorists who believe in Islam".
The difference is that the focus is then squarely on the perpetrators and not on what they happen to believe in :)
Little trick but it works most of the time.
This is my point!Quote:
NO. I didnt say religion is reponsible did I? I said that their religion is relevant because that is what THEY are acting on. They are the ones spreading on their web sites about a holy war, about we are faithless infidels and they are acting for god.
It is NOT the religion rather a twisted facet of it; yet you group it all together. The religion is irrelevant; it is the twisting of fundamental religous beliefs that is relevant - and that twisting is enough for must (especially Muslims) to say: 'It is no part of my religion'
You are of course entitled to this.Quote:
Im not going to argue this any more. Its clear as day from the mouths of people responsible.
Well, I just did a quick google on Militant Anti-Abortionists, and despite having names such as "God's Liberation Army" none of them appear to be described as Militant Christian Terrorists?
Make of that what you will.
Try 'Crusades'
You might get lucky . . .
well, I read that today was supposed to be
Net-Jihad day
all sorts of havoc was supposed to happen today. i guess that they were wrong.
:D
I tripped over a shoe. I think I will complain to the police about my Brothers terrorist actions.:lol:
I now offically declare myself a radical mormon terrorist. I will execute a baby seal with a club and toss a styrafoam non-biodegradable big mac container on the ground unil someone shows up on my doorstep with 6 smoking hot wives for me.
Man, that'd cost you a fortune in cigarettes every month... :sick:Quote:
Originally posted by MasterBlaster
I now offically declare myself a radical mormon terrorist. I will execute a baby seal with a club and toss a styrafoam non-biodegradable big mac container on the ground unil someone shows up on my doorstep with 6 smoking hot wives for me.
no way, not that kind of smoking. It's agains Mormanese culture to smoke. I spose I'll have to come up with something else to combat their Oral Fixation Syndrome. :cool:
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Originally posted by MasterBlaster
no way, not that kind of smoking. It's agains Mormanese culture to smoke. I spose I'll have to come up with something else to combat their Oral Fixation Syndrome. :cool:
I have to back yrwyddfa on this one.
They are terrorists that committed a crime. The delusion behind it is irrelevant TO US (who claim to be sane).
It is, of course, relevant to themselves as their beliefs motivate their actions.
Muslim terrorists, Chechnya (sp?) terrorists, anti-abortion terrorists, political terrorists, Spanish terrorists - whatever.
They are simply terrorists with no meaningful deliniation. They get tracked down, trialed and punished just the same on reflection of the seriousness of their crime.
I'd like to see the media report just the meaningful parts.
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Originally posted by Gary Campbell
I'd like to see the media report just the meaningful parts.