Sam, search this thread for my reply with "double"
As in double jeopardy, for a potentially chilling answer.
Time is an interesting component to eternity
I interpret the bible to say that those saved before Jesus' physical death look forward to that time; those saved after look backward to that time.
I don't see your point since "It is finished", said Jesus. Yes, it was in the past from our point of view. I don't see why that is relevant. If you pay your tuition before the end of the term (as in the beginning of the term) it means it is paid now (the "now" before the next term). You may be touching on another point that "the saved are saints now"--Catholics would only say they are only saints after they are dead. Paul addresses letters to "the saints".
Also, I think you missed my point in my lengthy post (as Sam did) that the sacrifice was not for everyone. This is disputed among us claiming or hoping to be Christians, so you have to find your own belief of the evidence.
The bible says that Adam and Eve spoke to God. If we were to do that today, that would be pretty intimate. Just because Jesus' pre-human form was even more intimate with God stresses the sacrifice of becoming human.
Thanks for the "adjustment".
"I interpret..." was to minimize flaming. (and DEJA VU)
I tried to write "I interpret..." just to minimize flaming. There was another thread which wasted posting real-estate on the "fact/belief/interpretation/opinion" discussion.
The problem can be that when the speaker says it's an opinion, the listeners may summarily dismiss his view. I think the way to proceed is to listen to the view, because if you search deep enough, there is usually a faith issue even among a non-believer. Again, you exercise blind faith when you believe Webster when learning a new word in your own language.
This may not be the place for it, but I had another deja vu last night which reminded me of an interesting situation.
Gen-X claims to have had what I would call a more intense and sustained deja vu than I ever recall having.
Sam sounds like he doesn't believe in deja vu (as you have explained it).
I wonder if it could be a doorway to evil or advancement of humankind.
Gen-X is a "believer" while Sam is a non-believer, and I am just searching for the truth with an open mind. Discuss...
my 2 cents(canadian money)
there is a good webpage on all this crusifiction crap
http://www.beconvinced.com
Has doctrine changed in the past few decades?
kovan
I was surprised to see so much similarities with Christian belief at that link.
Tell me, is there a difference with Moslem versus Muslim? I knew one who was adamant about the usage of one term, yet both speak of Mecca and Islam.
Is that site about the white man being the devil?
What was the actual link for the "crusifiction crap"?