No link between Iraq and Al-Quaida

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Mar 11th, 2003, 10:47 AM
Futt Bucker

No link between Iraq and Al-Quaida

I thought I'd even up the bias shown by Arcs thread by posting this story

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ink/index.html

Now, before all you Americans start crying about it being ant-American, you will note it's from CNN. Most other countries have already come to the same conclusion a long time ago.

Quote:

Bottom line: U.S. officials claim there is evidence of an al Qaeda-Iraq connection -- but there is no "smoking gun."

So, if Iraq isn't linked with Al-Quaida, can we at least get rid of that one argument for a US lead attack?
Mar 11th, 2003, 11:14 AM
techgnome

Initial reaction: So, we should wait until "Something" happens first? ppbbthhh! Yeah, right.
After thinking about it: I think that the US gov't "thinks" it's justified, not because there's a link (which I agree is an invention of the media) but rather because egos were wounded 10yrs ago.... Is it coincidence that the people in charge now, were the ones running the show last time around (Cheney, Powell)???? That and the fact that Bush Jr (who really isn't a Jr, but that's another topic) is now prez... I can see the bimber stickers now: "My President son kicked your President's arse!"
Alegedly there's a claim that the soon-to-be invasion is justified via the "wat on terrorism" but I think it's a bunch of hooey.
Mar 11th, 2003, 12:19 PM
run_GMoney

Hey, Saddam says there's no connection so there's no connection. Why would he lie? Geez you'd think the guy kills his own people or something with the way everyone PILES ON the poor fellow. :rolleyes:
Mar 11th, 2003, 12:40 PM
Xanith

Did I read the same story as you?

Right now there seem to be small links with Al-Quaida certainly not "no link" as you have put into the title of this thread.

And that is just what can be proven now. And this story doesnt include possible links to any other terrorist organizations just what we know about links to Al-Quaida.

X
Mar 11th, 2003, 12:51 PM
Futt Bucker

:rolleyes:
Mar 11th, 2003, 01:41 PM
run_GMoney

Quote:

Originally posted by Xanith
Did I read the same story as you?

Right now there seem to be small links with Al-Quaida certainly not "no link" as you have put into the title of this thread.

And that is just what can be proven now. And this story doesnt include possible links to any other terrorist organizations just what we know about links to Al-Quaida.

X

But don't you understand? Saddam says there is no link. That means there is no link. Geez...:rolleyes:
Mar 11th, 2003, 03:36 PM
Xanith

Guess I have to quote your own link. Maybe you missed this part ;)

"During testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee in mid-February, CIA Director George Tenet added, "Iraq has, in the past, provided training in document forgery and bomb-making to al Qaeda. It has also provided training in poisons and gases to two al Qaeda associates."

Again hardly "no link" as you claim. Small link yes with possibility of more.

I don't know maybe you can’t read English to well, if you can't then I apologize. If you have that Anti-American "I only want to see the facts I want to" disease well then get your head out of your ass and read the entire article you posted a link for, before making such an obviously bogus post :)

X
Mar 11th, 2003, 03:42 PM
Maven

Re: No link between Iraq and Al-Quaida

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Originally posted by Futt Bucker
I thought I'd even up the bias shown by Arcs thread by posting this story

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ink/index.html

Now, before all you Americans start crying about it being ant-American, you will note it's from CNN. Most other countries have already come to the same conclusion a long time ago.

So, if Iraq isn't linked with Al-Quaida, can we at least get rid of that one argument for a US lead attack?

We have lots of suggestive evidence that indicates there is a strong tie between Iraq and Al-Q'eada. The smoking gun they are talking about is a wire tap of a Iraqi offical giving the order. Thats what hard evidence is made of.

Again I'll state what is public information:

Farouk Hijazi, Iraq's ambassador to Turkey, met bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998. Its beleved that he offered asylum to bin laden in Iraq.

Iraq was traning Iraqies and non-Iraqies how to hijack airplanes with knives pre-9/11.

Contacts between the 9/11 hijackers and Iraqi diplomats have been reported from Malaysia, the UAE, and the Czech Republic.

The dude who was responsible for the truck bomb which wrought destruction and killed six in the first New York World Trade Center attack. Coolly boarded a plane for Baghdad, where he still resides.

There is strong evidence that Ramzi Yousef, leader of both the 1993 New York bombing and a failed attempt two years later to down 12 American airliners over the Pacific, was an Iraqi intelligence officer.

Saddam gave funds to terrorist organizations in the past including al-Q'eada.

Saddam gave funds to the families of the Sept 11th hijackers.

In short my point is that there is a lot of "Suggestive Evidence" that says they have a tie. Sure its no wire tap and it something that Iraq can deny. But its enough to make many people in our government scratch their head.
Mar 11th, 2003, 07:25 PM
CyberSurfer

Face it though, Maven.....so is running an election!
Mar 11th, 2003, 07:38 PM
Saddam Hussain

Re: Re: No link between Iraq and Al-Quaida

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Originally posted by Maven

Iraq was traning Iraqies and non-Iraqies how to hijack airplanes with knives pre-9/11.

You are mistaken my friend. I was not teaching them to hijack airplane. I was teaching to get extra bag of peanuts from cranky flight attendant. I am upset at way you have to pay $1000 dollars for ticket and only get 7 or 8 little peanuts for entire trip. It is a rip off. I was simply showing them that flashing knife will get you many many peanuts to last throughout your journey. After getting peanus knife come in handy for opening stubborn little airtight bag they put them in. Jeeshe who want to spend entire flight opening little bag only to get a few damn nuts.

I like peanuts.
Mar 11th, 2003, 08:42 PM
Osiris

there's always a perfectly good explination for everything
Mar 12th, 2003, 11:56 AM
honeybee

Well ...

Quote:

Originally posted by Futt Bucker
:rolleyes:

Don't tell me you didn't expect that :D

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Mar 12th, 2003, 01:25 PM
Xanith

Re: Well ...

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Originally posted by honeybee
Don't tell me you didn't expect that :D

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Yeah I actually read the whole story contained in the link. Unlike you Honeybee I dont close my eyes and see only what I want to :)

X
Mar 12th, 2003, 01:50 PM
techgnome

[eyes closed]
There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no.....
Mar 13th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Arc

First of all i agree with Xanith 100%. This article hardly proves no ties with IRaq and Al Qaeda.

More incriminating evidence i found in the article

"While some members of al Qaeda could be operating out of Iraq, intelligence and investigative sources said there is evidence the group also operates out of Iran and Pakistan."

It seems as though the article is not denying a link between Sadam and Al Qaeda, it is merely saying Al Qaeda also has links with other countrys...hmm

Iraq says "If we had a relationship with al Qaeda and if we believed in this relationship, we wouldn't be ashamed to admit it"

This is clearly a denial of realations with Al Qaeda, but it also says they see nothing wrong with what Al Qaeda does, which leaves a very wide open window to the possibilty that they are lying.

Gotta do better than this Futt Bucker
Mar 13th, 2003, 04:57 AM
plenderj

Quote:

Originally posted by Arc
First of all i agree with Xanith 100%. This article hardly proves no ties with IRaq and Al Qaeda.

More incriminating evidence i found in the article

"While some members of al Qaeda could be operating out of Iraq, intelligence and investigative sources said there is evidence the group also operates out of Iran and Pakistan."

It seems as though the article is not denying a link between Sadam and Al Qaeda, it is merely saying Al Qaeda also has links with other countrys...hmm

Iraq says "If we had a relationship with al Qaeda and if we believed in this relationship, we wouldn't be ashamed to admit it"

This is clearly a denial of realations with Al Qaeda, but it also says they see nothing wrong with what Al Qaeda does, which leaves a very wide open window to the possibilty that they are lying.

Gotta do better than this Futt Bucker

Osama Bin Laden hates Saddam nearly as much as he hates Bush.
Mar 13th, 2003, 01:09 PM
Futt Bucker

Quote:

Originally posted by Arc

Iraq says "If we had a relationship with al Qaeda and if we believed in this relationship, we wouldn't be ashamed to admit it"

This is clearly a denial of realations with Al Qaeda, but it also says they see nothing wrong with what Al Qaeda does, which leaves a very wide open window to the possibilty that they are lying.

:p You soooo need to swat up on your English. This says nothing of the sort. [*wipes tears of laughter from face*] Priceless. Keep it up Arc :p
Mar 13th, 2003, 01:12 PM
Futt Bucker

Quote:

Originally posted by plenderj
Osama Bin Laden hates Saddam nearly as much as he hates Bush.

Yeah, unfortunately some people on this board view the world as black and white. In their simple terms, if X is our enemy, and Y is our enemy, then X & Y must be best freinds..... :rolleyes:

Notice how they kinda ignored that in the last apparent Osama Bin Liner tape, he was slagging off Saddam and calling him an infidel. That didn't get much press in the States did it?
Mar 14th, 2003, 08:59 AM
honeybee

Well ...

Quote:

Originally posted by Xanith
Yeah I actually read the whole story contained in the link. Unlike you Honeybee I dont close my eyes and see only what I want to :)

X

Now that's interesting. I closed my eyes, but instead of being able to see what I wanted to, I couldn't see anything. So I opened my eyes, and only then was I able to see what I wanted to see.

Funny, isn't it? :rolleyes:

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