the most popular ???

hello there,

What is the most common and popular game -developping program? is it VB , c++ or other? can u compare them to FLASH?

which of them is the easiest and simple to learn?

Thanks

C/C++ is the most popular when it comes to commercial high quality games...

you will find a varietly of lesser games written in C/C++ and VB also... but no $50 game off the shelf @ a computer store is likely to be written in VB...

as far as flash.. that is really just for web programming.. comparable to games you can find on the net written in java....

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which of them is the easiest and simple to learn?

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VB is easier but C/C++ is faster ...:D

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VB is easier but C/C++ is faster ...:D

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Which is the reason why so many small games are written in VB. They don't really need the speed of highly optimized "Gaming C++".

hey
Flash is probably the easiest, just download the demos of something like Flashplayer 4 or something, and go through the tuts...u could finish the tuts in about an hour or so depending on how quick you pick shyt up, but after the tuts, u should have a basic understanding of it, then google it and search for more tuts for advanced shizz. but if ur going to VB or C++, vb is probably easier cause its cleaner than C++. but once u picked it up, then go for C++ cause inevetably you'll need to use C++ in the future for hardcore gaming, but if ur just starting, u may as well mess with VB cause as a beginner ur not going to want to undertake a complex game such as quake 3 or something like that cause you wont ever finish it and get swamped. so work with VB and then u'll have a sweet ass understanding of code, i dont know, in my opinion VB should be the starter language for any beginner simply because its the easiest and quickest to pick up. (besides flash) but flash isnt REALLY a language...

...at my school, everybody is starting using JAVA...

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its funny you mention that, im in my Java class right now, BUT, java isnt kool to learn if u dont have a good understanding of c++...so i would wait on that if u lack the knowledge of c++

I have little or no experience with C++, but I can bompile JAVA Aplications in my head with ease...No problem there....We are starting with C++ next year. We are soon heading up for some ASM programming ass well.....love it...

hey
well if u got the skillz with java then c++ should be fairly easy, but still, what could be easier than VB? especially when you have no knowledge at all, if ur working the java then thats kool, but in general..keep to it

I actually hate JAVA...no good for games...:D...so I'm stuck with VB until next year, then I'm taking the big step into the real world....C++ for all my money...(and time force)...

But my opinion is that JAVA is a bit more easy then C+, you don’t have many to many heritance and stuff like that in JAVA...

hey
oh, well i dont know, i'll find out how easy it is, but im in my first class of Java..hehe, so i'll be finding out

I don't think VB is a good starter language. How did the quote go?

"A programmer who has started with BASIC can never get good." or something like that. Forgot by whom, but it was a quite prominent guy.


Whatever. Java is not good for games, except for simple internet games. I think it's better there than Flash. I hate Flash. The language (ActionScript) is a bad ripoff of old JavaScript and therefore sucks. The object model sucks too (why on earth are the x and y properties called _X and _Y ???). And the built-in code editor sucks the most.

Oh, and I've written a Tetris with Java Micro Edition. It's nearly complete. I only need to find a way to put it on my mobile without needing an internet connection.


Java is a lot easier than C++. No multiple inheritance (except interfaces), no templates, no operator overloading, a real builtin string type, no memory management due to garbage collection and an awful lot of built-in functionality.
It's not a great language, but it's ok.

I started out out using VB, just because it fell down on my lap, for some years ago...but that is not going to stop me from becomming a good programmer. I will prove that you are wrong CornedBee...


...but it is nice to see that you share the same feelings that I have for Flash and Java...

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But you did work hard, didn't you?

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But you did work hard, didn't you?

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Yes I did/do/will do in the future....I will be great...;)

hey
i dont know, i started out in TRUE BASIC, hows that for old skool. but went to VB then C++/Java, but i picked up C++ and Java faster cause i already knew how to program, but didnt know syntex, i say that any language is easy to master as long as u got the syntex...

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"It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC; as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." - Dijkstra

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Z.

Zaei, stop posting that line...I don't belive it at all...but it might be ahrder...but not impossible in any way...

its all of a matter of opinion z....

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"It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC; as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." - Dijkstra

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Just one word - bullsh*t!

The ability to learn good programming style depends on the person. Such a generalized statement only shows ignorance, even if it is from Dijkstra.

Thanks Machaira for having faith in those who just bumped into VB before knowing what programming was. I'm learning JAVA and ASM in school and I'm a A student soo I guess that Vb didn't drag me down....:)

BTW who is "Dijkstra"????:D

Forget the last question...I remeber that he made the "single-source shortest path" AGORITHM...

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BTW who is "Dijkstra"????:D

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One of the better known computer scientists of our time... He died a year or so back...

Id just like to mention that I started in VB too :D

Id agree, Machaira... Some people cant even grasp basic, others can pick up languages in a few hours flat.

Z.

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Id just like to mention that I started in VB too

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...:D ...

I started in a BASIC-syntax language too (Lingo, the scripting language of Macromedia Director).

This thread is making me feel like everyone is comming out of the closet....:D

lol Noteme...heheheh its not like VB is SO horrible..heheh, its like the toy gun a child gets before the shotgun...

Yehh...maybe that is the right way to put it...:D

Puh, VB is like a shotgun... huge, and slow :D
C++, on the other hand, is like a silenced pistol... simple... elegant.. professional ;)

Z.

Yes but you don't want to go to war with a silenced pistol....:D

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Yes but you don't want to go to war with a silenced pistol....:D

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Wars are avoided with diplomacy of the knife(or pistol, in this case =) :D

Z.

I wouldn't go to war with a shotgun either.

And I would never used M16 either...but I'm not an US soldier...:D

I started with VB, and then I moved to C++. No problems, now I'm programming Direct 3D in C++.

I thought you died trying to learn C++...it is long time sonce I have seen you here now...

Yeah I know... and you've been here a lot!
I know C++ pretty well now :)

BTW: Did you mean did or died?

I ment died..as in dead....or die....:D

Nope, I didn't die :p