I dont beleive in evolution anymore....
I dont believe in evolution anymore.
not because of the bible, but it did have an influence.
but I took a look at some of the "ape to man" charts, and there is an ape, then a caveman, then its modern human,
how can something go from something as dumb, and ape-like as a caveman.. to a human?
science has alot of things to prove that evolution is real, but if it is, why are there apes at all?
why hasnt everything that COULD NOT survive died?
because, people say that the reason things evolve is so they can survive, but if the previous species was so inferior, and could not survive, then why arent the apes and stuff Dead??
I am not trying to sound like a jerk or anything, but like the saying goes, there are only 2 things that are for sure in life
So there can be more evidence of its truth
The same reason why Jesus is so controversal.
Which Bible are you talking about
Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Calvinist, Seven Day Adventist, etc etc etc etc etc
The Bible provides rules for a people to live in harmony in their time frame. A lot of the parables no longer hold water in high tech Western Society.
My Wife is a Pagan....some Scottish version of Wicca...and their belief is in the sanctity of the individual the natural environment and mans own acceptance of the godhead.
Their view is that the Bible constricts what man can become and gives no credence to the truth of freedom of action.
The Bible is attacked because it is held up as the one true source of Gods word. I have Muslim friends who believe the same about the Koran. This Book is a concoction of previous civilizations stories and fables and was presented as a didactic theorm to prove one groups inheriant superiority over other groups. Not a very christian thought!!!!!!
Organised religion, curse of mankind!
An 'inferior' species (ape) has not been wiped out by a 'superior' species (man) because that is not how natural
selection works.
Natural selection is the filling of a niche in nature that a species makes its own.
The apes have adapted to their environment, man has adapted to his, problem solved.
Tags such as inferior/superior in comparing species are always being misused and are not relevant in this context.
Once again WHICH BIBLE are you talking about
Don't discard other peoples arguements, when your own are subjective. WHICH BIBLE you haven't answered this yet.
If you read Roman History, then you will know that yes there was a block called Jesus who lived in the middle east. However he was viewed as leading a radical sect of Jews in open rebellion to Roman Law. Historians have argued that the Bible New Testament is nothing more than propaganda used to undermine the Imperium.....
Your arguements smack of new age christianity, where a religon is created to foster the beliefs, no matter how off the wall, of the founder(s).
Now which bible. In the new testament Jesus states to Peter, "You are my rock, on you l shall found my church"...this is paraphrased.... Therefore if you believe the Bible, you must be talking about the Catholic Bible...cause Peter was the first Pope. Therefore, a belief in non-catholic doctrine is a direct contradiction of what the Bible states.
Jethro & frank ...WHICH BIBLE ARE YOU READING? Mathew16:12-21
Yes, the bible is used for personal gain. In this case, the Catholics sought to claim a divine lineage and separate you from your money while not allowing you to read the bible for yourselves, lest you discover truth. But today you can read/listen to it on your own.
This is a Greek/English Interlinear at "http://inthebeginning.net/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm"
The Greek fonts didn't paste right, but a search for "Matthew 16" at this page will give you the right fonts.
My understanding of this is...
Jesus: Who do (other) men say that I am?
Some Disciples: Some say this guy, some say some other guy, etc.
Jesus: Okay, and who do YOU DISCIPLES say that I am?
Peter: You are the Christ.
Jesus: Dude, you didn't come to this on your own, God hooked you up with this knowledge. You are petros (a little rock), and on petra (the Big Rock I just asked you guys who everyone thought is) I will build my assembly.
There are other verses that say Jesus is the Rock. And that there is only one Head. And only one Father. So the Popes have overstepped their bounds (and blasphemy by the title "Father"). Also, in a Catholic bible, you will find that it says in later days, corrupt leaders will forbid marriage and certain meats. Catholics are the ones that do this.
People, try to find the best original texts.
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It's like one (big) fractal..."zooming in" on the answer still doesn't help.
I posted at the Hawking Forum about the Universe's Initial Conditions and the Black Hole contradicting the Big Bang. Basically even "Superstring Theory" gets back to the question, What caused the (initial) fluctuations?
http://www.psyclops.com/hawking/forum/
Closer to Apes or another?
Didn't they (the proverbial "they") relatively recently conclude that we have more in common with some animal other than an ape? (A surprising animal at that)
The statements like "evening and morning the nth day" sound like 24 hour days, but I wonder what the writer meant because there are other "in the 'day' of ..." statements that are longer than 24 hours. For that I'd need a Hebrew/English Interlinear Bible.
If there is a God (and "He" is The God of The Bible), I wouldn't doubt that it was 7 literal 24 hour days. But I am not convinced yet on the time frames.
Isn't it interesting that the order of life is the same (or similar) for creationists as to the order of evolutionists? The heavens, plant life, sea creatures, birds, land creatures, man. Wasn't there an "evolutionary link" between scales and feathers?
Regards.
Hmmm...this is getting interesting
Frank,
Total agreement Dude. All animal/plant/etc is about 95% similar genetically. That 5% sure makes a difference.
VirtuallyVB
Modern Dinosaur theories argue that the Dinos evolved into modern birds rather than became extinct.
Gen-X
Sounds like the guy is going to pick up his bat and ball and go home.
jdavidson
So you would argue that Christianity is right and Islam is wrong, or the Koori Dreamtime is wrong, or Judaism is wrong.
The Bible is nothing but parables, used to condition society to the christian way of life. Look at the Devil myth, now you don't believe in the Devil do you. If so l can give you the complete time line for this myth from well before christian/Jewish times.
Looking forward to more debate
By the way
Ultimate good cannot exist in the absence of ultimate evil. Good is defined by evil.
My last post on the subject...Really
Ok I will respond to the question. The bible says in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth. Therefore the earth was in existance. The seven days was not actually the creation. Whenever let was used in the bible, this was a statement of permission, not creation. Opinions may very on this subject because of traditional teachings. But this seems to tell me that the earth was created before. You also have to remeber whos days your going by. For "one day is a thousand years with the Lord". I do believe I made comment to this before but as usual you ignore and change my comments.
actually its not adam and eve
Actually everything would be traced back to Noahs family. which was about 4 families all together if I remember right.
Just a side note
This whole discussion has been subjective
That wasnt subjective, it was stating how the bible defines in comparison to the conventional teachings.