Science isn't true, its just bunk ;)Quote:
Originally posted by donut
more like it just needs to be reexamined, if it is true. :)
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Science isn't true, its just bunk ;)Quote:
Originally posted by donut
more like it just needs to be reexamined, if it is true. :)
oh, ok :p
I did, but obviously scientists refuse to resepect logic.Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Strange. Kedaman, did you not notice the contradiction between the subject of the thread, "Life After Death" ?
Life is the part till death, and death comes after the life is over. How can there be life after death?
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*sigh*Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Strange. Kedaman, did you not notice the contradiction between the subject of the thread, "Life After Death" ?
Life is the part till death, and death comes after the life is over. How can there be life after death?
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i just put that because it's a commonly used phrase. more like "scientific proof of the continuation of life beyond the physical life", but that's a bit long, don't you think?
This isn't really a sould though is.
I mean, after we die our bodies are left lying around. But that doesn't mean that we are really continuing to exist.
SD
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.
Day after day, you resemble more and more an ancient oracle keddie :D
What Oracle 6?Quote:
Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Day after day, you resemble more and more an ancient oracle keddie :D
You have one nasty suspicious mind there SD :p
But, since it only appears to have been an Illusion, when inQuote:
Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.
fact reality has some basis in fact*, then the Omniscience gained is flawed,
having misled you into a false perception.
*Since you died, then you MUST not have been dead before that event,
So, you must have been Somewhere, and if you were somewhere
then it must have existed. If it Existed, then it was real. If it was real, then it existed in reality.
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Originally posted by kedaman
well, this proves that science is bork :)
:D
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Originally posted by Pix
well, this proves that I am borkilicious
:)
you are more borkilicious :)
is not what i saidQuote:
Originally posted by NotLKH
But, since it only appears to have been an Illusion, when in
fact reality has some basis in fact*
No, that is entirely not what I said.Quote:
*Since you died, then you MUST not have been dead before that event,
So, you must have been Somewhere, and if you were somewhere
then it must have existed. If it Existed, then it was real. If it was real, then it existed in reality.
You are correct. You didn't say either of those statements. I did.
:confused:
You said, which I definetely quoted in my previous post, the Following:
I was commenting on howQuote:
Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.
: when you say that omnisciensce makes reality appear an illusion,
: then I say it can't be omnisciensce, since it returned a perception
that is incorrect and false.
:)
no, you are far more borkilicious :)Quote:
Originally posted by Pix
:)
you are more borkilicious :)
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Originally posted by chrisjk
I am far more borkilicious :)
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Originally posted by Pix
I am the definition of borkilicious
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Originally posted by chrisjk
No, I am the definition of borkilicious
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Originally posted by Pix
I wish you were as borkilicious as me
Yeah well I love you more :p
ah, so you admit you are more borkilicious than me? :p
psst I love you more :)
Omniscience is not a perception. Perception is for the weak, those who are bound to belief and constrained to obedience. Omniscience is the lack of all these properties, the ultimate abandonment of the inferior ideologies. Omniscience is the ability to comprehend everything, if X is omniscient there is no Y that X doesn't comprehend. This is only achieved when X defines Y, therefore reality will appear to be an illusion of Y.Quote:
I was commenting on how
: when you say that omnisciensce makes reality appear an illusion,
: then I say it can't be omnisciensce, since it returned a perception
that is incorrect and false.
And yet, YOU said:Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
Omniscience is not a perception. Perception is for the weak, those who are bound to belief and constrained to obedience. Omniscience is the lack of all these properties, the ultimate abandonment of the inferior ideologies. Omniscience is the ability to comprehend everything, if X is omniscient there is no Y that X doesn't comprehend. This is only achieved when X defines Y, therefore reality will appear to be an illusion of Y.
You are the one who claimed that Omniscience will lead to altered appearances, and Appearances are perceived thru perception. Thus, you directly imply Omniscience:Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.
A) USES perception to perceive the appearance of things.
B) alters perception in such a way as to imply that something, which WAS real,
Now appears illusionary. Thus, Omiscience has returned a false impression
of reality.
-Lou
Not when omniscient. The been appearance of believed reality will be replaced by the appearance of been illusion of Y and this is the act of giving up perception, not the act of altering perception.Quote:
Appearances are perceived thru perception
I did not say this either. Becoming omniscient, appearance will loose its meaning as well.Quote:
Now appears illusionary
Make sure you get a bill of sale if you die in Georgia and plan on being torched!Quote:
Originally posted by honeybee
Or burnt to ashes...
Thank heavens, I shall be dead when that happens. :rolleyes:
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Kedaman: Thats persuming you will actually remember what it was like before "death"?
NoQuote:
Originally posted by Beacon
Kedaman: Thats persuming you will actually remember what it was like before "death"?
So if you dont remember it then how is it an illusion??Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will appear to have been an illusion.
If a being has no perception, then Nothing can Appear as Anything to the being. The ability to perceive what something Appears to be can only be done thru Perception, no more, no less.Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
Not when omniscient. The been appearance of believed reality will be replaced by the appearance of been illusion of Y and this is the act of giving up perception, not the act of altering perception.
I did not say this either. Becoming omniscient, appearance will loose its meaning as well.
Therefore, Your Omniscient Dead guy, Without Perception, with a false Non Perceived perception that Reality appears to be an Illusion.....,
Hmmm, I just feel sorry for him.
:D
I didn't say that, I said it was no presumption.Quote:
Originally posted by Beacon
So if you dont remember it then how is it an illusion??
I did not imply anything such. If "appear" is a term that implies perception, then fine, replace "reality will appear to have been an illusion" with "reality will disappear since it has been an illusion", if that makes any more sense to you. If not, then I'd be happy to recieve more comments from you, I appreciate help with English terminology.Quote:
If a being has no perception, then Nothing can Appear as Anything to the being.
HB, Illusion is perception without reality, not reality without perception.
Alrighty, then! :)Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
I didn't say that, I said it was no presumption.
I did not imply anything such. If "appear" is a term that implies perception, then fine, replace "reality will appear to have been an illusion" with "reality will disappear since it has been an illusion", if that makes any more sense to you. If not, then I'd be happy to recieve more comments from you, I appreciate help with English terminology.
I'm pretty much suspicious of how anything "Appears". There is
a saying, about how "Appearances are deceiving", so if something
appears to be one way, in truth it could be a deception. Thats why I was obljecting so much about it's use in your "Omiscient" quote, because By Definition, an Omniscient being cannot be deceived, so he can't be viewing an appearance, since an appearance is not necessarily true.
Anyways, Good!
So we'll agree that you've officially changed your "Omniscient" statement to:
Right?Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
When you die, you will become omniscient and thus reality will disappear since it has been an illusion.
:)
Yeah, even if it doesn't sound much different to me, but it makes quite much to you or anyone else then ok, so be it :)
Kedaman
I wouldn't define illusion as perception without reality. Illusion is when your perception distorts reality (or merely misinterprets it).Quote:
Illusion is perception without reality, not reality without perception.
How can illusion exist without reality? I don't think it can. Illusion is when reality leads you to think one way and then presents us with something different but appears like it is the same.
Is that David Bowie or is that an illusion ? An alternative reality perhaps
That is indeed David Bowie.
A Picture taken from the inner sleeve of the "Heroes" albumn.