How would you define it?
Please elaborate :)
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How would you define it?
Please elaborate :)
Starting up our own dictionary, are we ? :D
I think this about covers it:
Immature
;)
Rather than pointing out examples, would you try to bring up the concept on being childish and immature?
I'd rather see them replaced by annoying and irresponsible
Immature means strictly spoken, not of age.
If you behave in a way that is generally attributed to those in their first 15 years of life, you're immature and childish.
Age has nothing to do with it.
ok, do you see any equality or implication between them or is immature and childish used out of context at times?
A better question is
When does responsability an accountability for one's behaviour begin ?
You said
I'd rather see them replaced by annoying and irresponsible
do you mean immature and childish are used out of context or do you think they should equal or imply/be implied by annoying and irresponsible?
Without entering sociology just yet, can you clarify this?
It implies it
Childish
To be child like.
Immature
To be underdeveloped (either physically or emotionally) for your age (according to social norms).
ok, to simplify our situation, lets reduce the amount of people in our society to two. These two people are different in certain aspects and one of them claims the other to be immature based on what?
It would have to be relative, ked.
Do you by that imply that childish is used out of context?Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Childish
To be child like.
what does this developement conform to? what and why are there social norms? Do they really exist?Quote:
Immature
To be underdeveloped (either physically or emotionally) for your age (according to social norms). [/B]
everything is relative in a sense :)Quote:
Originally posted by Bonker Gudd
It would have to be relative, ked.
Kedaman
No. Do you? There are sterotypical traits that people associated with the bahviour of children. If you demonstrate these traits, you might be called childish.Quote:
Do you by that imply that childish is used out of context?
The fact that there are social norms is an innevitable consequence of variation in society. Averages are always going to be observed.Quote:
what does this developement conform to? what and why are there social norms? Do they really exist?
As for whether there are actual instances that conform precisely to these averages, probably not, but that's not the point.
Immaturity implies that it is related to a clearly defined level of maturity. An average maturity if you like. Somebody who is immature acts with less than average maturity.
That better? or have I opened a whole new can of worms?
Simple ? Certainly !
Your norms and beliefs are made up of partly your own values and the values of the society you live in.
There tend to be consensi (consensusses ?) in a society that state that a certain course of action is referred to as "childish"
Whether the individual thinks of it as "childish" is up to his own moral code.
F.I. Someone who cries because things got taken away from him could be considered childish by some. Others may however not think that.
It's all down to what we imply the terms to but as stated above they generally boil down to annoying and irresponsible behaviour.
Not all annoying and irresponsible behaviour is childish and immature but it is generally in our society considered so.
Why do we call it that way ? Because it is widely acknowledged that these traits are primarily exhibited by children or the underaged.
In other cultures and societies they may be perfectly acceptible traits.
Behemoth
That guitarist in your avatar looks like he's plucking the strings with his teeth (like Jimi Hendrix before him). Is that right?
Simon
Are norms actually averages? Are they universal? What classifications are result to standards? Do you think immatureness is a fault?
Wally
Can you elaborate the usefulness of such a definition if morals are differentiated over individuals and groups?
How do you develope annoyance? What's the point in responsibilities?
Behemoth
Is there a clearly defined standard for maturity? Is there a defined average or is it something you just think there is? Do you see flaws in either extreems of the conformance to these standards?
ok, maybe not, but there's a problem with stereotyping don't you agree?Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Do you?
It's in the grey area where there is not much difference between saying "yes" and "yes, but that is also valid". On these things you tend to go along with the majority because each and every individual opinion doesn't differ enough from the general consensus.
Annoyance is a reaction to certain behaviour exhibited.
You don't like someone's behaviour because it more or less goes against your moral code.
The point in responsability is that it keeps people in line.
Without it, there is little reason to condemn things like murder.
Kedaman
Well, they're perceived averages anyway, I don't know how acurate they are.Quote:
Are norms actually averages?
Universal to all cultures? I doubt it; each culture has it's own norms.Quote:
Are they universal?
Don't understand this question, sorry.Quote:
What classifications are result to standards?
That's a matter of opinion. Sometimes it is considered a plus point. It depends on whether the particular characteristic is generally considered desireable or not.Quote:
Do you think immatureness is a fault?
Obviously, stereotyping is an over simplification, by definition. It is an aid to thinking; simplifying complexity.Quote:
ok, maybe not, but there's a problem with stereotyping don't you agree?
Kedaman
After thinking about this question a little more, I think you mean: "Which classifications are made as a result of standards?"Quote:
What classifications are result to standards?
I would say that all classifications are made as a result of standards. I can't think of any that aren't.
Wally and Simon
This majority or these norms, how do they develop? What are the media in which you find norms? Have you discovered situations where minorities define them? How do you change norms? What complexity do you see in society, its certainly not unfified and massive cultures we see, subcultures, and groups, in all kinds of sizes, even singular relationships between you and everyone else you interact with, have their norms don't you think?
Very simple really, posting a thread about immature, childish behaviour.Quote:
Originally posted by kedaman
How would you define it?
Please elaborate :)
Whats next the thread about IQ
give me a break here, psuedo intellectualism sucks at the best of times. People are people and live in their own worlds, regardless of your opinion or my opinion...
Will the sun arise in the morning, take a stance, l can argue either way it makes no difference....
Am l immature funking a dude, and l like it that way, though some may argue against that assumption.
Basically Descarte argued "I think therefore l am", and there is a hell of a lot of arguement disputing that statement...
Of course l only did Phil 101, you want to catch the dudes that did 201 or above to reallyt grove with the whole thing
Kedaman
Where are you going with all this? Can you not get to the point so I can start disagreeing with you? ;)
I mean what kind of classifications, say you classificate religions, is there a standard? if you make standard, what classifications are result of this standardisation?Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
After thinking about this question a little more, I think you mean: "Which classifications are made as a result of standards?"
I would say that all classifications are made as a result of standards. I can't think of any that aren't.
Nope, I guess I was right originally, I don't understand the question...Quote:
I mean what kind of classifications, say you classificate religions, is there a standard? if you make standard, what classifications are result of this standardisation?
quoting Douglas adams, "in the beginning the universe was created, this has made a lot of people very angry.."Quote:
Originally posted by Jethro
Very simple really, posting a thread about immature, childish behaviour.
Whats next the thread about IQ
give me a break here, psuedo intellectualism sucks at the best of times. People are people and live in their own worlds, regardless of your opinion or my opinion...
Will the sun arise in the morning, take a stance, l can argue either way it makes no difference....
Am l immature funking a dude, and l like it that way, though some may argue against that assumption.
Basically Descarte argued "I think therefore l am", and there is a hell of a lot of arguement disputing that statement...
Of course l only did Phil 101, you want to catch the dudes that did 201 or above to reallyt grove with the whole thing
ok example, everyone not conforming to the law are classified as criminals.Quote:
Originally posted by simonm
Nope, I guess I was right originally, I don't understand the question...
Yeah, and what of it?Quote:
ok example, everyone not conforming to the law are classified as criminals.
Simon
The society is flawed! I mean, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be evolving. We're heading for something for an extreme where each individual is not imposed a contraint, and its only a matter of time til it happens.Quote:
Where are you going with all this? Can you not get to the point so I can start disagreeing with you?
ok, you can now start disagreeing with me all you want :p
OK, I think society is perfect... :rolleyes:Quote:
ok, you can now start disagreeing with me all you want
Is there a reason behind this question Ked. Did someone call you names?
I am sure there are better ways to spend your time than argue this particular issue? If you do, can you at least try and crack a couple of jokes to keep the more immature of us entertained ;)
I noticed that Kedaman took issue when someone called JBPTennisMan (or was it Patooey) immature in another thread somewhere and asked the accuser to define what he meant by it. They ignored him so I guess it was only a matter of time before we had a thread devoted to the topic.
Now that's funny, someone insults someone else and Kedaman asks them to define the insult given :D. Let me take a wild guess... he didn't give a definition right?
Sorry, Kedaman, I've got to ask this:
Based solely on the content of this thread, Is Kedaman
A) A Real Live Human Being.
or
B) AN AI Speech Generator?
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Anyways, I've got to take issue with this statement:
but I don't have time. Just woke up, gotto have a quick coffee, shower, get to work, build emergancy jobs since our raid controller had a SCSI/Hard drive failure, and our Support team is on the road going to California. Won't be back till Monday. So, It All comes down to me!Quote:
The society is flawed! I mean, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be evolving. We're heading for something for an extreme where each individual is not imposed a contraint, and its only a matter of time til it happens
-Lou