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Did you notice just how many programs use the oh-so-evil MFC?
Paint Shop Pro
Visual C++
ACD See
Netscape 4.0 !!
FileSync
Dreamweaver
ICQ (so much about internet distribution parksie :))
and a lot more...
Seems not to be as bad as always sad huh?
Whatever, I like it, and if yu want API, it's your choice. It's certainly more fun to do.
Well nobody ever said thet MFC is entirely 'crap' (well parksie maybe). It is just that all those classes make me nervous. Apps are a little slower, dependencies etc. But it is a lot easier to write medium - large apps in MFC then in raw API. I will add Norton SYstem works to your list.
Oh, and why did you put Visual C++ in the list. It is certainly not written in MFC. Maybe parts, but i think it is mainly assembler.
the user interface of VC++ is written with MFC. Use Spy++ to search it's windows, you'll see AfxFrameOrView42 or Afx:4000:blabla as window classes. Those are generated by MFC.
It's just that everytime someone asks about first time windows programming many people say MFC is evil. People should learn API first, but should learn MFC too if they ever intend to do larger apps.
My intention is to learn both the api and win32 programming, but also MFC, the only problem is that you have to have time to everything......and when you're in school you don't always have that unfortunately.
CB - ICQ, yes, but see how f'ing huge it is! :p
MFC isn't crap, but it IS evil :)
but if the program is huge anyway, i can see why MFC would be bennificial. I am suprised that NS is written in MFC. What version of netscape was that? 6? or 4x?
It might be, but I wouldn't use MFC because it forces your program into the document/view model which is quite hard to escape from. I *do* use classes to hide the API, but only as far as removing the gruntwork from using windows and dialogues goes.
4x, BTW - 6 is API with classes, I think.
does spy++ come with VC++?
Yes.
hmmm...i don't see it. i guess i'll check the cd
PSP = EvilQuote:
Originally posted by CornedBee
Did you notice just how many programs use the oh-so-evil MFC?
Paint Shop Pro
Visual C++
ACD See
Netscape 4.0 !!
FileSync
Dreamweaver
ICQ (so much about internet distribution parksie :))
and a lot more...
Seems not to be as bad as always sad huh?
Whatever, I like it, and if yu want API, it's your choice. It's certainly more fun to do.
Netscape = Evil
ICQ = Evil
:p
Sail -
spy++ is a part of C++ tools, you can get to it from
Start menu> C++ > c++ Tools
ahhhhhh.....thanks jim :D
What's C++ tools?
So you have not ever used PSP?:DQuote:
Originally posted by filburt1
PSP = Evil
Netscape = Evil
ICQ = Evil
:p
It's a start menu item that comes with v6.0 - which you apparently don't have. But you probably DO have OLEVIEW, spy++, dependency walker, and the other stuff - it's just on a menu is the difference.
Does v5.0 have ATL?
Yes, but it's not compatible with WTL, which from the looks of things is a lot better than MFC.
Pity really - when I saw that in the PSDK I though it'd be really useful...and then found I needed a later version of ATL which I can't find.
PHP is actually very good in my opinion. Until i found adobe. but, i still think PSP and especially animation shoppe are very good.Quote:
Originally posted by abdul
So you have not ever used PSP?:D
Photoshop owns PSP. :pQuote:
Originally posted by abdul
So you have not ever used PSP?:D
How does a peice of software own another peice?Quote:
Originally posted by filburt1
Photoshop owns PSP. :p
How can you be a renegade master?
Sorry...
I thought PSP=Photoshop:D
PSP = Paint Shop Pro...made by http://www.jasc.com (JASC)
Boy - this thread wandered off track..
CB's point is simple - likeit or lump it, professional programming in C++ makes extensive use of mfc. Period. Does that make it bad or good? Neither. It makes it - "That's the way it is"
Some mfc code is a mess to look at and interpret, but so in fact Petzold (platform SDK ) style code can be.