Change mind or maby So manny WTC have to collapse.. do you whant to wait the next?

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Sep 13th, 2001, 12:56 PM
Conogelato

Change mind or maby So manny WTC have to collapse.. do you whant to wait the next?

Pace.

i hope nobody forget this.

What happened in the US is a consequence of it's policies and military actions abroad.
Many people in the world are desperate: (not only because the USA, off course) Balkans, Chechnia, many African countrie (they are ravaged by HIV, and civil war).
Countries that have been bombed, such as Iraq (160,000 deaths), Kurdistan, and many more that have depressed economies that can't grow, because of globalisation,....Are desperate too.
I think that USA citizens should think whit consciences about the death of people in the whole world, not just their own.
The should try to collaborate whit poor countries try to reach welfare and freedom for every world's citizen.
Otherway I fear that this is only the beginning.
And it's not a beginning that we want because modern wars are very different and much more dangerous, not just because of nukes.
It would be better if Muslims and Hebrews considered themselves as brothers, because they are brothers, children of the same god (according to the Bible, both are children of Abram)!! Why do they fight for the heritage (the land)?????????????????????????????????

In the past centuries, Palestine/Israel (or Israel/Palestine) was Hebrew, then Arab, then the Pope conquered it in the Middle Ages, then the Arabs took it again. Then the Pope again.......... This is a NEVER ENDING STORY............ Until you can accept that a Mosque can have a Sinagogue as a neighbour, in the same square of the same town, you will continue to destroy one to build the other in the same place, and you will continue to kill !!! (or dead, off course)

Nobody can feel protected just because they have more power; history is much longer than a human life....

Until you and I and everybody understands this, many WTCs will have to collapse............. do you want to wait the next [before we put things right]?

One land - two people!!!!!!!!!!

Peace

I hope that nobody forgets this
Sep 13th, 2001, 01:12 PM
thinktank

It's sad that I am unable to understand what you were saying.
May be next time...
Sep 13th, 2001, 01:19 PM
CiberTHuG

Quote:

Originally posted by thinktank
It's sad that I am unable to understand what you were saying.
May be next time...

Agreed.
Sep 13th, 2001, 01:27 PM
chrisjk

Attempted translation:

Quote:

Peace

I hope that nobody forgets this

What happened in the US is a consequence of it's policies abroad.
Many people in the world have considerable problems; The Balkans, Chechnia, many African countries, they are ravaged by HIV, and civil war. Countries that have been bombed, such as Iraq (160,000 deaths), Kurdistan, and many more have depressed economies that can't grow, because of globalisation.
I think that USA citizens should think about the death of people in the whole world, not just their own.
I fear that this is only the beginning.

After that I just couldn't work it out
Sep 13th, 2001, 01:34 PM
Conogelato

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisjk
Attempted translation:

After that I just couldn't work it out

thank a lot, you help me to esplain
Sep 13th, 2001, 01:36 PM
CiberTHuG

Quote:

Originally posted by Conogelato
Thanks a lot. You helped me to explain my case.

Okay, I can understand that English is not your native tongue. What is your native tongue?
Sep 13th, 2001, 01:56 PM
Conogelato

i'm italian.
Sep 13th, 2001, 02:13 PM
CiberTHuG

Italian. All Romance and Germanic languages have very similar puncuation. What bothers me worse then your poor English, is your writing would even be poor Italian.
Sep 13th, 2001, 02:16 PM
chrisjk

chill Travis...English is a very difficult language to learn, give a little, eh?! :)
Sep 13th, 2001, 02:42 PM
CiberTHuG

Yes, it is difficult to learn, but I don't expect one to forget how to ride a bike just because he is learning to drive a car. Meaning: I don't expect him to abandon all punctuation while he learns a new lexicon.
Sep 13th, 2001, 03:15 PM
Serge

Travis, I have a feeling that you just love to argue, regardless of subject.
Sep 13th, 2001, 03:20 PM
CiberTHuG

***? Why did this suddenly become "Travis Is Wrong" day?

J'ai étudié la françias pour duex ans, dans lycee et encore dans l'university.

And while my French may be weak, you will notice that I still used punctuation to the best of my knowledge.

That is my point.
Sep 13th, 2001, 05:57 PM
aknisely

Je pense-que francais est stupide.
Sep 14th, 2001, 07:05 AM
Conogelato

I tried to explain me in better English......,
Sep 14th, 2001, 08:07 AM
InvisibleDuncan

Taking up the translation where Chris left off:

Quote:

Anyway, I fear that this is only the beginning - and it's not a beginning that we want because modern wars are very different and much more dangerous, not just because of nukes.

It would be better if Muslims and Hebrews considered themselves as brothers, because they are brothers, children of the same god (according to the Bible, both are children of Abram)!! Why do they fight for the the land?????????????????????????????????

In the past centuries, Palestine/Israel (or Israel/Palestine) was Hebrew, then Arab, then the Pope conquered it in the Middle Ages, then the Arabs took it again. Then the Pope again..........
This is a NEVER ENDING STORY............ Until you can accept that a Mosque can have a Sinagogue as a neighbour, in the same square of the same town, you will continue to destroy one to build the other in the same place, and you will continue to kill !!!
Nobody can feel protected just because they have more power; history is much longer than a human life....

Until you and I and everybody understands this, many WTCs will have to collapse............. do you want to wait the next [before we put things right]?

One land - two people!!!!!!!!!!

I think that's the gist.

(Oh, and his English is better than my Italian). :rolleyes:
Sep 14th, 2001, 08:32 AM
Conogelato

thanks for help

Wath you meanning for "before we put things right"
i think that war can only make worst,.......

P.S
(Oh, and his English is better than my Italian).

You are italian too?
Sep 14th, 2001, 08:43 AM
InvisibleDuncan

You seemed to be saying that unless people put things right (by being excellent to each other, not by killing each other), then this kind of thing is likely to happen again. I was just trying to make that clear.

And no - I'm not Italian. I meant that unless we can speak perfect Italian, it's a bit harsh to knock you for not speaking perfect English. Your English may be a bit doollally, but at least it's enthusiatic. ;)
Sep 14th, 2001, 08:48 AM
Conogelato

thanks
you understand my meaning.
I can talk whit English people, but talk is off course much more easy that write........
Sep 14th, 2001, 08:57 AM
chrisjk

Quote:

Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
Taking up the translation where Chris left off:

he he, he's added a lot more since I did that.
Sep 14th, 2001, 08:58 AM
InvisibleDuncan

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisjk
he he, he's added a lot more since I did that.

So that's why you came to such an abrupt stop. :rolleyes:
Sep 14th, 2001, 09:10 AM
chrisjk

There was about 4 lines of complete gibberish after were I stopped
Sep 14th, 2001, 09:26 AM
Conogelato

Yes
and you both help me to terminate may post
thanks again
Sep 17th, 2001, 11:29 AM
CiberTHuG

Quote:

Originally posted by aknisely
Je pense-que francais est stupide.

And that it may be, but it was that or Spanish. Uhm... no. I'd've preffered German or Japanese or Russian.

'Course, while my French may be weak, I've been given compliments on the accent. And American women, especially my wife, seem to like Parissean accents.

Je ne comprende pas.
Sep 17th, 2001, 11:31 AM
InvisibleDuncan

Quote:

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
And American women, especially my wife, seem to like Parissean accents.

:confused:

Why? Do they like being covered in phlegm or something?
Sep 17th, 2001, 11:36 AM
HarryW

What woman doesn't? Works every time. Try it yourself ;)
Sep 17th, 2001, 01:49 PM
NotLKH

Re: Change mind or maby So manny WTC have to collapse.. do you whant to wait the next?

Quote:

Originally posted by Conogelato
Pace.

i hope nobody forget this.

What happened in the US is a consequence of it's policies and military actions abroad.
Many people in the world are desperate: (not only because the USA, off course) Balkans, Chechnia, many African countrie (they are ravaged by HIV, and civil war).
Countries that have been bombed, such as Iraq (160,000 deaths), Kurdistan, and many more that have depressed economies that can't grow, because of globalisation,....Are desperate too.
I think that USA citizens should think whit consciences about the death of people in the whole world, not just their own.
The should try to collaborate whit poor countries try to reach welfare and freedom for every world's citizen.
Otherway I fear that this is only the beginning.
And it's not a beginning that we want because modern wars are very different and much more dangerous, not just because of nukes.
It would be better if Muslims and Hebrews considered themselves as brothers, because they are brothers, children of the same god (according to the Bible, both are children of Abram)!! Why do they fight for the heritage (the land)?????????????????????????????????

In the past centuries, Palestine/Israel (or Israel/Palestine) was Hebrew, then Arab, then the Pope conquered it in the Middle Ages, then the Arabs took it again. Then the Pope again.......... This is a NEVER ENDING STORY............ Until you can accept that a Mosque can have a Sinagogue as a neighbour, in the same square of the same town, you will continue to destroy one to build the other in the same place, and you will continue to kill !!! (or dead, off course)

Nobody can feel protected just because they have more power; history is much longer than a human life....

Until you and I and everybody understands this, many WTCs will have to collapse............. do you want to wait the next [before we put things right]?

One land - two people!!!!!!!!!!

Peace

I hope that nobody forgets this

1) If a country has Poor, Sick, Starving people, TOO BAD! Its their problem and they have to deal with it. They have NO RIGHT TO DEMAND help from anyone in any way. IF somebody helps them out, they should have the common courtesy to say "THANK YOU" through their actions, as well as words. Otherwise SUCK IT UP!
2) The USA DOES NOT NEED to "Care More" about anybody else in the world! The USA already cares enough, so much so that The USA gives more than anybody else in the world to the poor, starving and sick worldwide! To ask for More from the USA is rude, as well as ignorant!
3) If any Representative Government of Any country in the world has any beef with the USA, Guess what?, they can take it up with the US Gov't thru any political means they want. Any Conversation between two or more Countries are expected to occur between their respective Governments.
4) If Someone or a group of people have a beef with ANY Gov't, they can only petition their gov't to do the conversing for them. Otherwise THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER! Excuse me, but they do have another right.
If they take matters into their own hands, and Harm the people of a Gov't that they have a beef with, then the only right they have is TO DIE!

Other than that,
:) Have a nice day!
-Lou
Sep 17th, 2001, 01:49 PM
simonm

Innevitable Consequences

Quote:

What happened in the US is a consequence of it's policies and military actions abroad.

Whilst I believe that America has got a lot to answer for it's actions this century, I think this is an over simplification. America doesn't get a fair press in many countries in the middle east and these people are frequently subjected to highly biased anti-american propaganda. Children are brainwashed from a very young age to dispise and hate America (and all it stands for) and this fuels new generations of terrorists.

But, as I heard someone say the other day, consider the alternatives that we could have been subjected to in the world today. Would the Islamics have prefered Germany or Japan to have one WWII and subsequantly dominated the world? Perhaps they would prefer the "athiest" states of the Soviet Union or China to have dominated the world instead?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not entirely happy with the USA and it's ideology but many people around the world don't know when they've got it good and blame too many of their problems on America.