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Hey plenderj! Brad!

Was my post actually that bad yesterday? I dont really recall what I wrote yesterday. I really was in a bad mood, so god knows what I posted.

Sorry if it went against the AUP! MY bad!

And to everyone else, I have personally been feeling some concern for what has happened to this forum. It is so full of garbage, its silly. I mean do we really need 50 new threads of words that rhyme with the first thread that started it? Its kind of dumb. We are all guilty of it. Some more than others.

Its really getting to the point that I dont feel like coming here any more.

I don't know. Maybe its just that I feel very tired lately and depressed and all that. I need a vacation.

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Isn't Planet Source Code part of Jupiter Media? Maybe thats why it was deleted.

I doubt it was that silly argument we had - I have seen alot worse here. But if it was then .. sorry ..

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I agree about the rhyming words.

This all stems from the powers that be. In particular their refusal to give us a decent contest to have a go at.

I came up with a really good contest idea this morning too.

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I agree about the rhyming words.

This all stems from the powers that be. In particular their refusal to give us a decent contest to have a go at.

I came up with a really good contest idea this morning too.



A rhyming word generator?

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It just seems sillyness is too rampant lately.

As far as PSC being Jupiter Media. I dont know. Its not like I said PSC sucks. I just said Im tired of getting those emails from people wanting me to teach tme how to code.

I think it was my language in the post that was the problem.

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We all have the right to rant afrog:

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I know, but when 99% of the posts are retarded, and the other 1% degenrate into sillyness, it goes way beyond venting.

I guess its just me. Its gotten kind of stale around here it seems.

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Have we ever had a serious thread in chit chat???

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Have we ever had a serious thread in chit chat???


Yes.

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More importantly, if the conversations are going to continue to center around topics such as "poo", then I'm tempted to simply close down chit chat.

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I've just read the annoncment. I'm not going to try and deny my part in this, but my apologies for any offence which I have caused. I suppose things have got a little out of hand

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Certainly I have nothing against being silly, I just think some of it is a bit out of hand.

And poo is fine in moderation I guess (see some sillyness there).

But I guess my only 2 real beefs is the make 50 posts that rhyme with another, and that even if someone does post a serious thread, it degenrates in 1 reply.

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I think that we should up the 'two-word story' to 'three'

Just kidding

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At least the 2 word story seems slightly constructive. Silly? Well yeah, but it has a point. Its a game in a way.

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It made me laugh, I must admit.

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quote:
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I agree about the rhyming words.

This all stems from the powers that be. In particular their refusal to give us a decent contest to have a go at.

I came up with a really good contest idea this morning too.



How about a curve fitting algorithm?

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Depends whose curves and how 'well' you want me to fit....

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Depends whose curves and how 'well' you want me to fit....


There we go again!



Some of the posts do get old before they are even posted, but some threads can wander off into really fascinating directions...like the old boycot thread that entertained our sorry lot for days. Much is dross, but everynow and then, somebody posts something, or wanders off on some tangent that creates fun and excitement. You probably just have to wade through a fair amount of chaff looking for those few grains of wheat.

Consider the World Events forum. People may not post there for weeks at a time, then I'll come in one day, and a single thread has gone from a single post to three pages in the course of a couple of hours. THAT's ENTERTAINMENT! But it's also communication, and there's something to be said for that. I, myself, live in a cave....no, I guess a cubicle. The programming tips on this site are of great value, but hearing the opinions on all sorts of subjects from this group greatly expands my perspectives. I rather enjoy it....even with a bunch of swill swirling around.

As for poo, being a biologist, I would assume any word filters on our e-mail system would simply fail. Biology is the study of sex. Every other aspect of biology, from eating to excreting is largely a process by which animals maintain themselves in pursuit of sex (certainly seems to be the case for programmers....and a mighty feeble pursuit it is, at that). When you dissect poo to determine diet, there isn't much that is off limits.

To quote Malcolm X "You can't hold someone down in the mud without getting down there with them." As it is in society, so it is in Biology.

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.... so it is in Biology.



This is a programming site, not a biology site.

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I hope I didnt start anything bad. I just was trying to make a point.

Im not saying we shouldnt have fun, be silly, and make jokes, but some of this stuff is just getting stupid. Lately I feel like I have gone back to elementary school where life is an endless fart and ***** joke. Yes, I know I am just as responsible. I just came to the conclusion that this just isnt fun.

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I hope I didnt start anything bad.....


The issue has been building over time. I agree that there is room for fun and interesting dialog; however, I'd like to see it at a much more "grown up" level.

I'd also like to see some respect in this forum for those people that do have serious topics they would like to discuss that do not fit within the other forums. For example, the off-color and off topic comments posted in the fixed sized array thread were extremely disrespectful on a number of levels.

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A rhyming word generator?


No you slimy toad venerator!

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No you slimy toad venerator!


*sigh*

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I put some thought into that!

Anyway...

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How about a curve fitting algorithm?


I think not.

That would compromise my other lib. Its too good just to give out willy and indeed nilly. The idiotic shee - I mean Valued Users will not appreciate its subtlety and grace like us mathematicians.


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I hereby solemnly (sp?) swear to abide by AUP rules from now on, (unless I forget some of the more obscure ones, apologies in advance).

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we don't need threads that rhyme with or is the same as another thread. those belong IN the thread, not as a new one.

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I moved that thread because it ended up containing loads of crap

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Thats fine. Im stopping the crap myself.

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The issue has been building over time. I agree that there is room for fun and interesting dialog; however, I'd like to see it at a much more "grown up" level.

I'd also like to see some respect in this forum for those people that do have serious topics they would like to discuss that do not fit within the other forums. For example, the off-color and off topic comments posted in the fixed sized array thread were extremely disrespectful on a number of levels.

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well then why not just make a new fourm for serious quesrtions?

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well then why not just make a new fourm for serious quesrtions?


Because then there would be absolutely no good reason for Jupitermedia (aka me in this case) to allow this one to exist.

If that is what you want.....

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No, this is generally good. If there was just a way to filter it.....oh well.

I generally agree with Wossy, I'll try to abide by the AUP rules, but what would be the point of living without hearing more stories of Wossy's love life

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I agree that things have been going south for a while. Not sure what part I've played in it, but certainly haven't played a part against it.

A good reminder to behave without actually kicking anyone. Let's all be civil and engage in some fun chit chat without the b.s.

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Busy all day, thinking of the spare moment that might come up so I can go off and visit VBForums, and finally, I get here, and see Brad is about to shut us down!!!

All this because Cander abused a cuddly friendly honey bear!

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Doable.

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I agree that there is room for fun and interesting dialog; however, I'd like to see it at a much more "grown up" level.


There goes all of the "1337 speak" wossname enjoys so very much

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Busy all day, thinking of the spare moment that might come up so I can go off and visit VBForums, and finally, I get here, and see Brad is about to shut us down!!!

All this because Cander abused a cuddly friendly honey bear!



It wasnt me that abused that honey loving bear! I just provided the thread I think.

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More importantly, if the conversations are going to continue to center around topics such as "poo", then I'm tempted to simply close down chit chat.

I have deleted my "would you drink poo?" thread , and even though the thread pointed to a news article about expensive coffee that was made from animal poo, the title of the post may have been inapropriate and i apologize.

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I think this has been a long time coming. Cander just tipped the bucket. Last thing we want is Chit Chat shutdown. It just wouldn't be the same in the Forum Test Area

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I haven't answered a question in like a month, if chit chat was shut down I wouldn't show up much anymore

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I haven't answered a question in like a month, if chit chat was shut down I wouldn't show up much anymore

your post count disappoints me. Why don't you start asking questions ?

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I haven't had to code anything that I didn't know how to do in a while, I guess I could fudge some questions =)

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your post count disappoints me. Why don't you start asking questions ?


I used that kind of tactics but it won't work.

No body answer my question especially in Crystal Reports...

Crystal is evil...

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Ill behave


We should.

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No you slimy toad venerator!

And 2nd accounts used in this way, in my opinion, should result in a ban...for both users I can't see any point in a 2nd account, unless you are a mod and need it for testing purposes.

That's just my opinion though, I am a grumpy ill badger at the moment


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And 2nd accounts used in this way, in my opinion, should result in a ban...for both users I can't see any point in a 2nd account, unless you are a mod and need it for testing purposes.

That's just my opinion though, I am a grumpy ill badger at the moment


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so the mod's are special? no exception pls.

that's unfair.

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so the mod's are special? no exception pls.

that's unfair.


Yes it is.
I believe that if you create a 2nd acc and you go around breaking the AUP then you should have both accounts banned, regardless of how often you come here, your VB knowledge, or the fact you are a mod. If you break the rules then you should get slapped. Simple. No-one should be "too high up" to be told off.

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I agree with both accounts being banned if one account is offensive. But why only restrict to one account altogether. Most of the time there is no need for more than one account but having Festive accounts like Santa etc should be ok.

If you have been banned and continue to cause a problem with another account then you should be continuosly banned without offending again. E.g Bron_Gron (Whatever he was) should not be given another chance with another account even if he hasnt offended yet

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I haven't been this bored since I last went to galahtech.

Rename this thread to "the whiney whiney whinge thread".

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Yes it is.
I believe that if you create a 2nd acc and you go around breaking the AUP then you should have both accounts banned, regardless of how often you come here, your VB knowledge, or the fact you are a mod. If you break the rules then you should get slapped. Simple. No-one should be "too high up" to be told off.

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OK i agree w/ that..

so...when it start?

I prefer...Now

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Yes it is.
I believe that if you create a 2nd acc and you go around breaking the AUP then you should have both accounts banned, regardless of how often you come here, your VB knowledge, or the fact you are a mod. If you break the rules then you should get slapped. Simple. No-one should be "too high up" to be told off.

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OK i agree w/ that..

so...when it start?

I prefer...Now


Ill go along with that and be the first to volunteer, you may delete my other account Wally Pipp.

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Brad, my other accounts are MartinLiss, Plenderj and Electroman.

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except that fart he let go just now...


This is a prime example of the type of post that does not belong on this forum. While my 8 year old nephew may find this funny, I can't believe and self respecting adult would find it funny. There is no point to the above post.

This is a prime example that makes it hard for me to defend not allowing the moderators to freely clean up (read 'delete') 'out of line' posts or threads in this forum.

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quote:
Originally posted by brad jones
This is a prime example of the type of post that does not belong on this forum. While my 8 year old nephew may find this funny, I can't believe and self respecting adult would find it funny. There is no point to the above post.

This is a prime example that makes it hard for me to defend not allowing the moderators to freely clean up (read 'delete') 'out of line' posts or threads in this forum.



Brad, if I take this Babel Fish out of my ear, will you sound like a Vogon? Lighten the **** up, man.

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This is a prime example of the type of post that does not belong on this forum. While my 8 year old nephew may find this funny, I can't believe and self respecting adult would find it funny. There is no point to the above post.
Well, I thought it was funny and I'm 40-years-old

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Same here. Can't we all just get along?


In looking back through many of the threads in chit chat, the answer to this seems to be a big no. That is why you have lots of mods and admins now breathing down your necks.

If you allow the serious threads to be serious, and if people quit using profanity and inappropriate comments, then I think you will see us move into the background again.

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Brad, you can unregister me if you want. I am willing to sacrifice my login for the greater good.

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I have only just realised but it is really scary to think I dont recall what I have written in the past few months

Am I in trouble I really dont know. I know I am silly and nuts but I wouldnt normally describe any of my stuff as rude. Apparently I swear alot at the moment (at home and around) but my mind is often elsewhere with dieting and other worries

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I don't want to unregister or ban anyone. I simply want to make this forum a little less hostile and a little more accepting of others.

I'm only asking that you guys give some respect to the thread topics in chit chat -- such as the pulsar thread that was started and the ebay thread.

I'm also asking that you consider that there are younger eyes in these forums and that you simply consider that when you pick topics to talk about.

My asking that you not use profanity and watch the AUP should be understandable.

I'm not asking for two word stories and other 'fun' things to be stopped. I'm only asking that some respect be given to others that post here. I'm asking that you try to stop driving everyone else out of chit chat.

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I really don't feel this forum to be any kind of hostile, simply because the bunch of regulars that we post here know that the replies never intend to be rude, just funny, wacky and slimy.

Have you received any kind of complain about this forum Brad?

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I think hostile is the wrong word. I mean we flame each other ALOT, but its all in good fun. Problem is, to visitors, this looks bad. And I think that is the issue.

Plus when 90% of the posts on a page here in chit chat is just junk and spammy, often the rhyming threads as I mentioned (ie Bender, Mender, Lender. etc) that also looks bad.

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Us regulars know what to expect. But I think we make new people who have just come to the forum feel left out an frustrated when trying to make a serious post.

That I was guilty of a few days back when I was helping and misleading someone (at thesame time) who was asking a serious question. I had to PM him to put it right and reassure him that his question wasn't stupid and we weren't making fun of him becuase he was a newbie, that it was actually quite normal for Chit Chat.

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From now on

1) we may be silly in one anothers threads but take all new peoples threads seriously unless indicated otherwise by the creator.

2) No more mender ,bender whatever threads. If you want to do that keep it to the same thread

3) Not to be rude! Any terms of annoyance (polite way of saying nasty words ) will be replaced with (Ok?)

4) Referance to sandpaper etc will remain in threads created by forum members who know what it is about

5) If possible keep chat to one thread and dont span it out that really gets on my nerves

6) If anyone breaks these rules it is the responsibility of other members to point it out for 'Correction' to the 'at fault' user.

7) All replacement for swearwords will be either or **** no in-betweenies (That ok Brad?)

8) Chit chat will not overflow to other random threads within these forums. I dont think this really happened anyway but should make it a point


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This is a prime example of the type of post that does not belong on this forum. While my 8 year old nephew may find this funny, I can't believe and self respecting adult would find it funny. There is no point to the above post.

This is a prime example that makes it hard for me to defend not allowing the moderators to freely clean up (read 'delete') 'out of line' posts or threads in this forum.



Since when are pointless posts such a nuisance? You know, this used to be a fun place (read: before the take over) to while away the dreary, dull moments on the job, have a bit of banter and harmless fun online, now you're suffocating it with these new rules.
I realise it's not a democracy but when you solemly declare such statements I can't help but snigger at you.

Makes me wonder why on earth VBF has the ignore function installed.

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I think hostile is the wrong word. I mean we flame each other ALOT, but its all in good fun. Problem is, to visitors, this looks bad. And I think that is the issue.



Shrimp deserve to get flamed.....with a little butter and lemon.

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From now on

1) we may be silly in one anothers threads but take all new peoples threads seriously unless indicated otherwise by the creator.

2) No more mender ,bender whatever threads. If you want to do that keep it to the same thread

3) Not to be rude! Any terms of annoyance (polite way of saying nasty words ) will be replaced with (Ok?)

4) Referance to sandpaper etc will remain in threads created by forum members who know what it is about

5) If possible keep chat to one thread and dont span it out that really gets on my nerves

6) If anyone breaks these rules it is the responsibility of other members to point it out for 'Correction' to the 'at fault' user.

7) All replacement for swearwords will be either or **** no in-betweenies (That ok Brad?)

8) Chit chat will not overflow to other random threads within these forums. I dont think this really happened anyway but should make it a point


Any more? Chit chat rules

Re #7; **** is OK but don't over do it.

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I think the swear problem comes when people do stuff like....please excuse this, but an example needs to be shown..

I dont give a FLICK.

...to get around filters.


I just say fudge now.

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is "oh sugar" a way of getting round the filter? Or "oh bugger" and other UK-only idioms?

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I think the swear problem comes when people do stuff like....please excuse this, but an example needs to be shown..

I dont give a FLICK.

...to get around filters.


I just say fudge now.



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Be aware that if you make a post that intentionally gets around the censor filters, you may be automatically banned without notice. Additionally, be aware that using alternate spellings is considered equal to using the original word and is considered as a move to intentionally get around the censors.

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Thats the point I was tying to make. Thats the only reason I did it.

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is "oh sugar" a way of getting round the filter? Or "oh bugger" and other UK-only idioms?
The latter probably will be.

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Here is the million dollar question. Can we still be condescending and rude to obvious homework cheaters and virus writers?

I have always considered those insults and a slap to the face of legitimate developers and its probably my biggest erk that steams me.

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Here is the million dollar question. Can we still be condescending and rude to obvious homework cheaters and virus writers?

I have always considered those insults and a slap to the face of legitimate developers and its probably my biggest erk that steams me.




As long as you don't use the words ****, *****, ****, or ***.

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instead of **** use

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I agree with Cander on virus writers. Of course we will report them but its so much more fun taking the micky.


Most members at the moment dont have enough smillie space for those type of post especially Cander

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Like I said before. Im rude, not profane.



Yeah, Ill just report virus writers from now on and try to keep my mouth shut. Wont be easy though.

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I don't want to unregister or ban anyone. I simply want to make this forum a little less hostile and a little more accepting of others.

I'm only asking that you guys give some respect to the thread topics in chit chat -- such as the pulsar thread that was started and the ebay thread.

I'm also asking that you consider that there are younger eyes in these forums and that you simply consider that when you pick topics to talk about.

My asking that you not use profanity and watch the AUP should be understandable.

I'm not asking for two word stories and other 'fun' things to be stopped. I'm only asking that some respect be given to others that post here. I'm asking that you try to stop driving everyone else out of chit chat.



That's all fine, and doable.

But, does this mean that everything needs to exist in black and white?

Take a look at this example here: link . Marty bans wossname for 24 hours for the use of "WTF". Ridiculous. There is a gray area. Perhaps the mods need to be told that as well?

WTF happens to be part of the Internet lingo. Things like this just don't 'go away'. What about LMFAO or LMAO? These are extremely common.

Agreed, younger eyes will be going through these forums, but they're not supposed to be out unsupervised, are they?

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heres a crazy idea, but crazy ideas are what move the world, what if chit chat is only visible to registered members?

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Agreed, younger eyes will be going through these forums, but they're not supposed to be out unsupervised, are they?

You're having a laf arn't you?

VBF is not an over 18 site. A 6 year old should be able to visit and browse without coming across certain posts.

You can take the mick out of someone without the use of swear words, or being rude. Alas, this can only be applied to UK people since Americans do not get sarcasm or satire Anyways, my point is that, at the end of the day, there is no REAL need for bad language.

Virus Writers...Hmmm...I am sure a lot of you are quite capable of tracing their IP etc, finding where they live, flying there, and breaking their legs...still no need to lay into them on VBF...but if you do, then this can be done very tactfully....the use of sez a 1000 words.

No offence to people here, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but this is a programming site...purely for programming in VB. It's not called www.VBForumsAndInternationalChitChatPostOrgy.com is it?
A lot of users spend more time here in chit chat than they do answering, or posting, relevant VB questions. Isn't www.chitchatforums.com the ideal home for this like that mad Norwegian mentioned.

Most of the threads posted in chit-chat are utter rubbish, and are posted by people who have WAY too much time on their hands.

To be a successful site, and I'm sure you ALL want VBF to be that, it has to be consistant across ALL forums and threads. Rules are here for a reason, I know, some of them suck and all rules cannot please all users. That's just life. Deal with it.

You also have to remember that this doesn't stop with Brad. he has superiors, he himself also has to obey orders and pass them down to use, regardless if he agrees with them or not.
VBF is a priveladge, not a right.

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I would also like to point out that in the past I to have been a naughty badger and have done the things Brad is on about. I think most users probably have once or twice...even admins



We are not all innocent. But now the problem has been identified we have the ability to reflect on this and do something about it.

Sitting here and biting the hand that feeds you is NOT a good idea.

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