M$ to kill VB!!!!!!!!

[chenko]

Ive heard that microsoft is gonna kill VB... my self i think this is bu!!***** i think VB is to big to kill and replace by another language

ok option 2 is supposed to read "its bu!!***** man stay off the paint chips!!"

not

"its bu!!***** man stay of the paint chips!!"

i find it quite annoying that you cant edit your poll, but i do understand why admin dont

[nukem996]

think about it, microsoft isnt known for java. they need something to compeat with java. vb cannt do that. this is where the rumor of vb7 can run on linux, its a new lang. most comanys use c++ or java alot are going to java. but they use ibm java or sun java thiers alot of diffrent java compilers. so they cannt take over the java market.

vb7 beta was a way to make microsoft a few million before they kill it.

[nukem996]

COME ON PPL VOTE!!!!!

So they wasted all that time and money to bulid vb.NET from scratch just to scrap it... what about vs.NET (vc.NET etc..)

Its just stupid...

[SteveCRM]

C# (C sharp) is supposed to have the easy usability (is that a word?) of VB and the power of C++. Its to compete with JAVA. (I think )

[nukem996]

companys want c++. most small programers like us use vb, and c++ everyone uses.

VB is way too big to kill. MS may as well shut the doors if they do that! Bill didn't get rich because he's stupid ya know. C# is Bills answer to Java.

I like the rumors about VS.NET running on Linux if they're true. It's not out of the question and would be an excellent position for MS to take but I'd have thought we would have seen propaganda about it by now if it was fair dinkum. But I hope so.

[nukem996]

the earliest version of c++ was made in the 1970's. most people use microsoft vc++, but if your like me all i need is a compiler ill do it to old way and do it in notepad then compile it. microsoft dosent have copy right to it, any one can make a compiler for c++. but if they made thier own lang thats like java and c++ they can copy right it and every one would have to buy thier product.

[HarryW]

Nukem, Madworm is talking about C# not C++.

I don't think M$ will kill off VB. They already have ASP and VBScript running on the Basic syntax, and VB has a large user base. Companies don't just want C++, VB has a place in the market that is quite different from VB. VB is for rapid development, and it does a fine job at that. That's a role that C++ is not perfectly suited for, and that's the reason VB is so popular.

[parksie]

And we hear so much about DAO and ADO in VB...but no--one wants to try it in C++

Wonder why

Probably because it sucks the life out of you, but oh well

and also M$ has injected i think bout $10-15M into ASP

BTW Morning all

I don't reckon they'll just get rid of it, but I do think it will evolve into another language, like VB evolved from QB. If you see what I mean.

[nukem996]

1st of all M$ is known for killing a product and makeing you learn how to use a new one, that could be better or worse. M$ could make billions on a new lang, if its as good as java. comanies like IBM and Sun dont use vb, they use c++ and java. most comanies use java and c++ for thier programs, they might use vb to make small programs. most people dont use vbscript, if u use that it will only for on a win computer that has all the vb dll's. how do u make a dll? u need to do it in c or c++.

[Active]

According to the .NET Framework Developers Guide (Beta
1), there are a handful of specific changes made in
VB.NET that may cause existing VB and VBScript apps to
fail. For example:

* Parentheses are now required around parameters in all
method calls.

* Arguments are passed by value by default -- not by
reference.

* Objects don't have default properties, so the onus is
on us to spell everything out. For instance, the text
values of text boxes must now be referenced as:

String str = TextBox1.Text

* The Integer data type is 32 bits, and the Long data
type is 64 bits.

* Multi-part Boolean expressions are short-circuited. If
the first part of a multiple AND or OR expression
evaluates to False, evaluation terminates and the entire
expression returns False.

* The data type Variant no longer exists and has been
replaced with the type Object.

* Object types must be explicitly cast to any other
primitive data type. Implicit type casting is risky. For
instance, always cast numerical values to String if a
String is expected:

Response.Write("The count is " & CStr(count))

* Variables dimensioned within the same Dim statement
will be of the same type. For example, in the Dim
statement Dim i, j, k As Integer, i, j, and k will be
dimensioned as Integers. Previous versions of VB would
dimension i and j as Variants and k as Integer.

* Set and Let are no longer supported. Objects can be
assigned by a simple equality operation: Object1 =
Object2.

* Class property syntax has changed. Forget Property Let,
Property Get, and Property Set. The new syntax is similar
to that in C#:

Public Property ThisProperty As String
Get
ThisProperty = InternalValue
End Get
Set
InternalValue = ThisProperty
End Set
End Property

* Spaces must always be included around the & operator
when concatenating strings. VBScript allowed a&b&c; this
must now be written as a & b & c to avoid a syntax error.
(Note also that in VB6, the operators And, Or, Xor, and
Not are used for both Boolean and bitwise operations. In
VB.NET, however, And, Or, Xor, and Not are strictly
Boolean operators, while BitAnd, BitOr, BitXor, and
BitNot are introduced for bitwise operations. If an
operand to a Boolean operator is of a numeric data type,
it's converted to the Boolean type before the operation
is evaluated.)

* VB.NET drops the Eqv and Imp operators. You can use the
equals (=) comparison operator in place of Eqv for both
Boolean and bitwise evaluations, and you can replace the
logical and bitwise Imp operator with an expression using
the Not/Or and BitNot/BitOr, respectively.

* All If statements must be constructed on multiple
lines. With VBScript, it was possible to write a single
line If statement -- i.e., If x Then y. In VB.NET,
however, this has to be written as:

If x Then
y
End if

[HarryW]

Wow, a lot of emphasis on strong-typing. All sounds reasonable to me except the last one (if statements), that's just a pain in the ass.

Nukem - A lot of companies use VB. It's not jsut a toy language, it's used in many different areas for many different things. Look at the Office suite of programs - they all work with VBA behind them, essentially a custom version of VB. M$ are planning on making money from a new language (maybe not billions though), they've got C#. To be honest I'm not sure where this is going to fit in yet. One of the major reasons people use Java is because the bytecode it compiles to is platform-independant, and I would lay money that C# isn't going to be platform independant.

[nukem996]

yes alot of office was programed in vb. but thats cause it was the easyest way to do it. vb is gona get killed. in all of your thing your saying something like "its gona be turned into a new lang" this basicly means thier killing vb and makeing a new lang. it might have some similar code as vb but it will not be vb. it will be C#, thats what most people think. and most comanys dont use vb. name one big comanpy that uses vb. one as big as IBM or Sun.

[HarryW]

Err... I never said Office was programmed in VB, I'm pretty sure it will have been done in C++. I'm talking about VBA, for writing macros.

IBM and Sun might well use VB for some things. It's often used as a prototyping language because it's designed for RAD. How do you expect me to name a company that uses it? I don't know what specific companies use. I suppose that because everybody uses C++ and Java that means nobody uses ADA? Or CAVO? Just because a lot of apps are written in C++ doesn't mean nobody uses VB.

I'm not saying anything about VB evolving into C#, C# is a new thing that M$ are doing. If you've never come across VB in industrial use I can imagine you might think noone uses it, but I have, and companies do use it.

Well nukem i see im winning!

VB is mainly used for business applications, it's very easy and fast, and there are VB developers coming out of everybodies ass, so you'll be able to find somebody good and cheap to get the job done.
I don't mean commercial applications, but more like what businesses use to do all their work...

[nukem996]

ok ive been in IBM's main programing building, and they dont use vb. they dont even have windows. and simon even if u do win this, i will still think that vb is gona get killed my M$. ill think that till bill gates calls me and says thier not and sends me the first copy of vb7 thier is. if you get your phd you dont goto a comany and program vb, u program c++ or java, even if u dont get a phd ull do that. and whats the advantage of vb? its faster. so what!!! its faster for people who cannt do any other lang. if u know c++ or java well ull be makeing c++ and java programs faster, and they can run on any os.

[HarryW]

I'm sorry Nukem, but I have come to the conclusion that you don't know what you're on about, and as such I'm not going to bother trying to explain anything else.

Once again, I agree with Harry.... it doesn't matter what language you program in, VB has the best RAD environment there is, and therefore, applications in VB will be made faster. I really dislike VB, but applications can be made in it faster than most anything else.

And nukem, did you go into EVERY office in the IBM building, and sort through ALL the source code, just to make sure they didn't use Win + VB?

And please, spell correctly!
it's very hard to read ur ull u and r

[nukem996]

i went to the one in hawthorn NY. and i asked the programers what lang they used. they said c++, c, java, and pearl. no vb. yes in the web area they use win, but not in the programing area. for alot its the web os i think its lotis notes.

[parksie]

Notes isn't an OS...it's just a teamwork program.

I'm still skeptical about you, a 13-year-old, going into the IBM building and talking to the programmers

yes, and Pearl is obsolete now...

[nukem996]

i have family who work thier.

[HarryW]

IBM are hardly representative of the industry as a whole, especially not one site.

[substring]

No, MS is not going to kill VB. VB is going to be around for many years.

MS is very afraid of Java and Linux, and that's why they come up with this .NET thing, is to "combat" with Java.

Every language has its strength and weakness. Therefore, we should use all of them for what they are good for. There is no "be-all-and-end-all" programming language out there. At least not yet.

Besides, as long as we are good programmers with solid foundation on logic and algorithm, it does not matter what language that comes along, we should be able to pick it up with no problem.

Just my 2 cents.

substring.

Originally posted by HarryW
I'm sorry Nukem, but I have come to the conclusion that you don't know what you're on about.

I agree and I think nukem should do a little research into this, and think, what type of company is IBM? how many others are there like them? how many OTHER types of companies are there? i think IBM do a slightly different job to main stream software producers who are the main point when talking bout programming in companys, dont you think? and what % of non-software producing companys use WINDOWS, i dont think you would see a steel company using solaris or *nix systems eh? we all program mainly VB here...

nukem, one word... RESEARCH (not word of mouth)
Simon

[Active]

So this kid ....nukem, found that IBM is Using LOTUS NOTES OPERATING SYSTEM and MS OFFICE was
programmed in visual basic.

What Next nukem ?
Shall we have MSOutlook operating system ?
or Microsoft Word Operating System ?

Are you kidding?

I heard Sun was using MS IE(and of course, everybody knows it was programmed in turbo pascal) as an operating system..

LOL @ every1

[nukem996]

the future is java.

[parksie]

No it's not...it's orange......

[nukem996]

ok i didnt get that.

[parksie]

A company called Orange supply mobile phones, and their slogan is:

"The future's bright, the future's Orange"

[Active]

Hey Nukem, You are really Cute.

At just 13, You can talk assertively about computers.
[Whether it is right or wrong is different]

When I was 13... I din't even know how to switch on
the VCR.

If You could talk more on things that are possible
you can very well be the next young hero here after dennis.

Whatever I meant is to be taken as a complement.
Best of Luck.

[HarryW]

Java is now, the future will be a lot of different things.

[nukem996]

heard of them