Salaries

**Visual Programmer** · Dec 19th, 2000, 10:20 PM

I am currently a high school computer literacy teacher. I currently have almost 7 years of Visual Basic experience, and almost 2 years of database related material.

I currently make 53 thousand a year, if I get a programming job, around how much will I get paid per year.

If it's at least 5 thousand more, I'll start looking for a programming job

Thanks,

Visual Programmer

**paulw** · Dec 20th, 2000, 04:59 AM

Depend on age and relevant experience. 'Real-world' programming may be more lucrative but Teaching has other rewards and is bloody difficult. My wife is a teacher (of English) and a good one. I have tried and know just how hard it is to be a good teacher. I'd rather do that than program ad infinitum.

Don't forget that straight programming roles tend to be filled by (cheap) young turks who can cut code three times quicker than you can which is twice as fast. The older (and with seven years experience, you are older

) programmer brings the accumulated wisom of dealing with know-nothing suits for years. At the end of the day you have to sell yourself on your own unique attributes.

Having said all that, you probably would make more money programming.

Personally I make around £55,000 to £60,000 Sterling which would equate to roughly $90,000, however I almost never do any programming - I am an analyst.

Hope it works out for you though.

Cheers,

P.

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 05:12 AM

your analyst paul ? easy life for you then

. most of my contracts, I've got to analyse, design and implement.

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:02 AM

Sore point Paul?

;-)

Got your message. Friday sounds good, Gaffer, are you up for it?. Same place.

td.

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:04 AM

as soon as i'm back working in london, mind if I join in with these shanagon's ?

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:07 AM

np mate, just drop one of us a line.

td.

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:09 AM

i'm here in manchester untill the middle of january, and i'm already linning up my next job, and all of them are in central London, which will be nice as I have't worked there for about a year now.

**paulw** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:16 AM

Very sore....

Be in touch...

Cheers,

P.

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:18 AM

I would get some ointment if it's that sore

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:23 AM

Leeches!!!

td.

**Gaffer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:37 AM

From salaries to sore points, I 've had a few, but then again, to few to menttiooooonnn...

td, paul called, friday is on, 1230 Cannons. he went into (quite vivid) details of your last lunch. I would like to avoid the pub you two went to as they seem to serve "bad pints"...

**Gaffer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:40 AM

Oh, by the wa, back to the top, Visual Programmer, I think to answer you r question:

Yes, you will earn more than 5 thou over your current salary if you get into programming. Don't forget as well, the most effective way of a salary increase is to move jobs, or go contracting

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 07:57 AM

yeah, contracting is akways a sure fire way of earning shite loads. i'm an asp developer and most of my contacts are in the region of £30 - £40 an hour. Unfortunatley I work for an umbrella company that contacts me out and I don't see all of that, but i've only got another year to go with them.

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 08:58 AM

vb coders in london, banking, can expect to get around £45 to £60 per hour. I know of a few banks currently paying £700 per day flat for vb guys.

td.

**Gaffer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 09:17 AM

The industry is the key. Whilst I would probably get 300-400 a day in other industries, Banking shoots that up another 100-200. But that includes a knowledge of the business. As a programmer getting into a new business area, I would take whatever and concentrate on the analysis of the business area over the quality of the programming, then move on to another company (this is contracting I'm talking about).

I also never speak to other VB guys in the pub for lunch as I end up losing sleep about polymorphisms and binaries and ....

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 09:52 AM

ah, the solution to that problem is to drink more beer.

Infact, the solution to most problems (from a analysis point of view) is to drink more beer.

Btw, how's the banana?

td.

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 09:59 AM

the solution to any problem is to drink more beer.

Any problem seems better when your drunk, apart from where's the nearest kebab shop and I really do need to find that toilet bloody quickly

**paulw** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:06 AM

I believe that the solution to most problems is to drink more beer...

Poor old Visual Programmer - a sensible q (for a yank) and 4 drunken Englishmen hi-jack his thread!

Confirmed Friday. 12.30 in The Cannon OK TD?

Cheers,

P.

PS. Ianpbaker - look forward to making your acquaintance.

**Gaffer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:09 AM

Banana's fine. How's your helmet <fnuk fnuk>

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:12 AM

thanks paul. You'll find i'm quite a quiet person when I first meet people, but when i've had a few jars down me, theirs no stopping me. But as I said this won't be happening untill at least january as I have to tie things up here in manchester first

Ian

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:12 AM

12:30 is good. Who ever's in first can get me an guiness cold ;-)

td.

**Visual Programmer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:12 AM

Thanks for your responses, and Paul.... I'm not that old, I'm 25, and have been programming about 18

thanks again

Visual Programmer

**Ianpbaker** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Visual Programmer
Thanks for your responses, and Paul.... I'm not that old, I'm 25, and have been programming about 18

Don't take offence Visual, it's a figure of speech over here in ENgland

**Gaffer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:18 AM

1230 fine. I'll be the one people will be staring at.

Visual Programmer:
I think paul sees people under 30 and over 30 pretty much as "Us" and "Them" ;D

**Visual Programmer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:19 AM

No offence taken

Visual Programmer

**paulw** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:23 AM

Sadly for me over 30 is Us! Under 30, not really worth speaking to - only worth drinking with... (td, Gaffer)

Visual Programmer - in programming 25 is old. Just be thankful that you can't remember DOS, QEMM, Windows 1, Double floppy drives, 8" disks blah blah blah...

Cheers,

P.

**paulw** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:25 AM

Gaffer, first one in buys td an extra cold Guiness... so that's 12.50 at the Cannon, right?

P.

**HarryW** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:27 AM

Well I'm 19 and I remember those

Except for 8" floppies (careful now) I don't think I ever used them.

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:33 AM

8" floppies...

katie should be here for this one ;-)

td.

(couldn't resist it)

**paulw** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:34 AM

Let's reel her in...

P.

**tumblingdown** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:35 AM

oh, i'd love to

td.

**HarryW** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:37 AM

*Sigh* and another thread gets lost to td's dirty mind

**Visual Programmer** · Dec 20th, 2000, 10:49 AM

Sorry guys, i'm going to have to lock this thread, i jut keep getting an email every 2 seconds, saying that someone responded

Visual Programmer

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