the other post was going out of WACK so i decided to make a new one and not get lost as i have with the other post...

VirtualVB - i am totally lost on what your trying to say to me... and if you wanna start some where explain either king james sucks or original does. meaning there is no way it explains that jesus is god, about the abraham thing, dude you are trying to prove the WHOLE trinity based THAT verse which is sooo questionable.. and as for as Gen-X being alone.. well thats his way of life and i have nothing againts that, and you should try to prove your belief to him and maybe he can see your point of you (which i doubt it could happen since your claiming king james versions sucks (based on it doesnt explain the original text correctly)

Gen-X - well i respect how you look at religion and i wont argue with you, but if your a big fan of modern science and having things explained in details to you
i suggest you look up on quran (please do not think i am trying to preach you cus am not ) but it would definately help you decide weather islam is just another man's limitation of thinking..
things that were recently discovered with modern science are EXPLAINED in DETAIl in the quran..
it would be good to read up on it to see if its like bible or budhha zeus stories ect..

about how virtualvb's answering scheme, your right but everyone would do that

I DEFINATELY would be interested in your way of thinking...
and maybe we can DISCUSS what you base your logic on and maybe you could prove islam wrong..
i am on a mission to find the truth
and if you could stir me another way then maybe i believed wrong..
althou to do that you have to know about islam and how you can disprove it..

so far i believe it is THE absolute truth..
maybe someone could prove it other wize..

[Qoute]posted by GEN-X
Kovan's claim is the same as yours... that some text to which neither of you personally have absolute knowledge is EXACTLY the same text that existed 2000 years ago, go on believing it like you actually stood there and watched it magically write itself 2000 years ago.
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i agree with you, i wasnt there and havent watched it for 2000 yearz (by the way quran has been revealed around 1400 years ago)
but the point here is HOW valid is this "text"
if it proves itself on what it claims then woudl that make you think about weather its in original form?
and about me mentioned that there are 4 or so copies in meusums that historians have proved are close to the time when it was actually revealed.. and now every copy of quran matches those in meusums..

but the point is - there is NO doubt contridictions in the bible i believe it is NOT authentic since it contains contridictions.....
do read up on quran and see if you can make the same claim about quran as i have made about bible (dont know your exact views on the bible..)

HarryW - whats your views on Quran or bible? if any