J++ sucks!

I decided to install Visual J++ and it looked pretty good, you know, visual controls, etc, etc,
but when i tried to run the program I got all sorts of errors, not errors in my code, but things like file not found, cannot load this, cant load that....
its bulls***.
I have JBuilder 2 standard(yeah, I know its pretty old, but I got it with a programming kit I bought) and it is really good, I havent tried C++ Builder yet, but judging by the quality of JBuilder, it has to be good!
ok i am a little off subject here.

what java compiler(s) do you use for making applets?
or are there only 2(MS and inprise)??

[invitro]

I dont know, j++ works awsome for me. No errors. Everything works good here, i dont know why ur having so many problems, try reinstalling?

yep,
it did the same thing on my last machine,
do you have J++ standard or Pro??
I have pro, maybe pro has some dumb-ass features that I dont know how to use and are screwing me up.

[oetje]

There's another Java Compiler, called Visual Cafe For Java.

[parksie]

I just use the JDK and Notepad .

[REM]

Hmmmm. I dont have any third party Development environments, and cant afford any, so i am currently working on a front end for the Java 2 SDK in Visual Basic. It will basically just be a better version of notepad, like the VB Code development area, with options such as compile, run, create new applet, colour coded text etc etc

It will also snap the text to the proper cases as it is typed.

Should be good when done.

Later

REM

[parksie]

Handy. That snap-to-proper-case feature is one of the best parts of the VB IDE.

[REM]

Yeah, it is kinda handy to have the coding environment snap the code to proper case as you type, that is why i coded it in the front end im developing.

As Java is case sensitive, it pays for this feature. The number of times i've written Java Source in Notepad, tried to compile then gotten an error, which it turned out was like a lower case letter on a keyword that should have been uppercase. A small typo, but a lot of time wasting looking through all your source.

Snap to case rules!

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REM

yeah snap to case rules!
I think I am gonna make a javascript IDE,
because I am used to capitalizing stuff, and I capitalized the "a" in "alert()" and I got an error, it took me like 15 minutes to figure out it had to be lowercase.

[parksie]

Just remember:
VB and Win32 API calls have capitals.
K&R C based things (C, C++, JavaScript) like no capitals.

[REM]

Dennis, the Java Script IDE sounds cool. I may consider making this app so you can develop in many different langauges, such as C++, VB, Java, Java Script.

I have code to make a rich text box behave like the VB IDE (very similarly) (snapping to case, colouring code etc) and all I basically need is a list of keywords for each language. Does anyone know where i can get a list of key and reserved words for any of the major programming languages?

Later

REM

[invitro]

Im using J++6 that came with Visual studio, not pro.
It works great for me. I havent gotten any kind of error yet except with my code, cause i just started progrmming in it. I was thinking learning j++ first and then move on to c++ cause j++ looks similar. Its a change from VB thats for sure.

[invitro]

Oh yeah and could u stop using the 'sucks' in all the j++ 'sucks' posts please? No offense, but it sounds really immature and uneducated. Thanks!

If java were to "suck" that bad, they wouldent of developed the languauge. There must be something thats good about it.
Just because your getting errors dosent mean the languauge "sucks". Examine ur code, maybe ur doing something wrong or installing it wrong or something?!

OK I will stop saying sucks,

and I know if it wasnt any good it wouldnt be marketed, but IMO it sucks

I may consider making this app so you can develop in many different langauges, such as C++, VB, Java, Java Script.

VB already has a really good IDE

[noone]

It's JDK and UltraEdit for me, UltraEdit is like Notepad on steroids.
I have JBuilder 3.0 Foundation (FREE!!!) installed but it runs a bit too slow on my system for me to use regulary.
The download page at Sun has a list of other SDKs for Java that support Java 1.3
http://www.javasoft.com/j2se/1.3/download-windows.html

[REM]

VB already has a really good IDE

Yeah, I agree... but it costs money

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REM

[parksie]

invitro...they said "J++ sucks", not "Java sucks". Java is a very good language, but J++ is a bit poor really. Now, JBuilder Foundation...that is good.

[noone]

JBuilder Foundation is extremly good and free. But they arent kidding when they say 128 MB RAM is needed, I tried running it on my 350 64 MB RAM with some excruciating results.

[parksie]

It's slightly lethargic even with 128MB PC100 RAM on a PIII-500. (mine)

[invitro]

I guess its time to move on to C++

[parksie]

Not necessarily. Java is actually very good if you use it for what it's good at. (ouch). Such as:
Applets, Cross-platform programs, CORBA / RMI, servlets, and all sorts of stuff.
However, you can add in C++ code to the Java program in a rather mystical procedure that is well documented...

[kb244]

Java and C++ share structural similarity, but it depends on the task, C++ is great it can do things that any programming language is capable of, however it lacks certain features found in Java, C++ has to be compiled for each new CPU or new Platform it is intended to be ran on, as well as possibly needing to rewrite the code. C++ can have horrible memory management if you dont handle it yourself (poorly written codes, can become memory leaks from hell) C++ has many advantages depending on the platform and needs, Java consist of these major benefits

-Portable , the code will likely run on any CPU and any platform
-Compile once, run many times, once compiled, you only need to make sure a VM exist for the platform, you wont have to recompile.
-Garbage handling, unlike C++, java can make memory leaks very very minimal, it automatically handles memory for you.

for most java users this is basic knowledge, for most other people they get the misconception that one language is always *better* than another, just like the VB vs C++ argument on another forum, you cant compare a spoon to a fork, or apples and oranges, so forth. (or as one person put it, you cant compare a hammer to a screwdriver, one can do a screw very well, but that screwdriver cant do a nail as well as a hammer)

[parksie]

I totally agree, which is why I use VB, C++, and Java. They each have their strengths:

VB - easy windows apps, and absurdly easy database access
C++ - things that need speed / compilability on other platforms
Java - applets, genuine cross-platform programs, and CORBA (I had to put that one in again )

[noone]

Parksie, just out of curiosity why are you so big on using CORBA as opposed to RMI? Do you need to connect to objects written in other languages?

[parksie]

Yes. I need to interface between Java and C++.

[cgl88]

Guys: I enjoy and continue to benefit from the support and advise posted on this thread for VB. However, I am also trying to pick up Java. I'm wondering if you guys know of any sites as good as this one but is for Java?

Please post your url's! Thanks!!!

[parksie]

There may be something hidden in these...

http://java.sun.com
http://www.gamelan.com
http://alphaworks.ibm.com